... Doesn't this thread already exist?

I rarely see guys who consider themselves maining in AV saying that vehicles need nerfed. It's mostly infantrymen complaining about vehicles that have only spec'd into grenades. I believe proximity explosives are really the only under performing antivehicle weapon at the moment.

I'd say most of us AV guys are happy with our tech currently. Well, most of the ones I see anyway.

Honestly I can't wait for the day for vehicle users to get something that will be extremely menacing but not overpowered. I'd love to run with a whole squad of fellow AVers fighting our own little battle against a machine.

You do need three people to work all the turrets. Also, tanks don't have the ease of situational awareness as infantry. You don't get sigs popping up as easily. A scanner can help at close range but you have to turn that turret to scan for any big threats and sometimes I've had no sigs and another tank roll right up in front of me from the direction I was looking the whole way across the field to where I met up with him.

You can one shot an infantry with a rail and take down a guy quick with a blaster but you can't get several that fast. Infantry can gang on you. A lot of infantry survive my being close to them even with small turret gunners.

Nobody bringing a counter attack fits in with how a battle would go if one side has a tank and the other has nothing to fight it with.

You might as well complain about the lack of people dropping uplinks. A disorganized group of blueberries in a pub match most likely won't bring a counter attack.

When they do then I have to book it. A lot of times you can't tell what exactly is hitting you and from what direction.

Tanks are largely blind. You don't have time to turn that turret and scan. If so you might not get a sig.

Many matches are won by the enemy when in my tank because I can't go around capping AND keep my tank. There are still plenty of strawberries on the field to win even after I shoot some.

if you were to separate the driver seat from the main cannon, there wouldn't be any reason to spec into driving the thing at all, you don't get any rewards from the driver seat if you don't get to use the cannon to kill thus making the driver part of the tank pretty much hated. and on the subject of why, why should a single dropsuit match a 20-40 ton vehicle?

these are serious questions of mine

that would make everything worse, the front turret is basically a blind piece of metal

Why whats the difference in me being able to control the main turrent or the frount? and bare in mind now if i can only have the frount turret, to see behind me, i would need to turn the whole tank around lolol

the difference there is that HAVs are NOT flying, they are ground.

and you need to realize that tanks aren't dropsuits or dropships. I know we aren't special, that how we allow our teams to win if we try to help.

yes they will, while in the front you have no idea where the tank is pointing, and you cant see **** behind you, and why give the main cannon over to some random idiot and give the driver the weak gun? THAT makes no sense, please stop trying to nerf the tanks even more

why you do you think nobody seriously skills into them dumbass, theres no reward for being the driver of an lav or dropship unless you run someone over with it and now you guys are QQing about that. the HAV is the ONLY vehicle that give a reward for driving it.

really? then which would you spec into? Driver seat OR Gunner seat.

pic which one you would go for if what your talking about was implimented

teamwork IS an important aspect of this game BUT the best thing about it is IM NOT FORCED TO, that would ruin the entire game. plus I do use teamwork, sometimes I use blues in my turrets to clear out enemy objectives in order to for my team to hack it, and I also use them to take out AV players I can reach with my cannon.

We have assult dropships, they have a gun turrent, no doubt there will be other vehicals with driver weapons etc, it shouldnt be a problem, i dont see why it is, i think the only point i have on this is.. theres no benifit to driving a tank solo it doesnt need that kind of nerf, which is what it would be

i could image the tears and tanks nerfs that would follow if all tanks had 3 people shooting proto cannons at them lol although it does sound quite fun and im pretty sure mine might last a bit longer

then why have a main cannon at all, if you cant have someone who knows how to control their own vehicle use its main weapon, then why use the vehicle at all?

the drive of this game isn't to use teamwork, its to develop your own merc and your own skills and fill up your own wallet, something many of you have forgotten

teamwork is fine and all but its not the point of this game, if you listen to it says your a merc fighting for yourself and your own views or for your wallet, your not fighting for your team unless you decide to. don't try to force teamwork onto the true mercs here.

you do realize new eden is on the other side of the universe 20000 years from now right?

Why shouldnt it be half the team to take out a proto tank

At this rate to get proto vehicles it will require millions of SP for just 1 type of proto vehicle not too mention the massive ISK sink

Enforcers milita grade tanks cost 1.2mil per hull, proto fully fitted will prob be closer to 10mil while proto AV is generally 500k if that and basic AV being less than 20k

Damn right it should be at least half of the team trying to pound on it if they all milita/basic AV scrubs

Here's the funny thing about tanks with infantry: infantry make tanks OP; not the other way around. If all my infantry are engaging the enemy AV, then i can go ham. That being said, even if i have no infantry support, one std av should never be able to solo me. ever., but 2 or 3 firing in unison, then yeah, i'd say so.

So here is my question: Should the average tanker (think about the average tanker you see in a game that dies in the first 5 minutes of deploying his tank - 95% of all tanks) require 2 or 3 average av players to kill him with a 90% success rate averaged out over every possible scenario? or more? or less?

the 1st statement is wrong

yeah it is because its stating that no tank driver is competent and reliable in which case it is wrong.

but that's NOT taking into account the reliability of the tank drivers themselves, if im going against 2 av then I should be instantly killed according to you, but I KNOW how to drive tanks and I know how to deal with av therefore it should take at least a squad to take ME down. but it doesn't since I know how to drive and avoid being killed, I know tactics and use them therefore it should NOT be purely based on level of gear because the most idiotic tank driver will get the most powerful tank destroyed in an instant because he has no idea how to drive tanks while the most crapy fitted tank will survive most situations if the driver is an experienced driver that knows what hes doing. you see its not based on gear level alone, you HAVE to take into account the drivers personal skills.

eventually yeah they should kill havs that are on the same level of gear but it should take 2 alone to do it within 10 seconds, 2 avrs are the minimum of what should be required.

nobody did, but that's the average time it takes a solo AVer to kill of an HAV so it needs to be addressed also.

iv seen countless havs get taken down within 10 seconds from a solo aver, iv seen it since chromosome and its continued to now, the weapon I see used 9/10 times are av grenades.

I thought about that recently today, at 1st I wanted to try and come to an understanding with your class type but seeing as how all you want to do if nerf tanks to uselessness, I pretty much just want this thread deleted. I tried but failed.

I agree av is killing dust at this time. No tanks around

Too many pages to read stopped at p5

IMO there should be tank variants for each level like with weapons

Miltia - Soma,Sica

Standard - Health tank, Speed tank, Damage tank

Advanced - Health tank, Speed tank, Damage tank

Prototype - Health tank, Speed tank, Damage tank
Prototype - Black ops/other

Health tanks would get a 25% health buff
Speed tanks would get a 25% speed buff
Damage tanks would get a 25% damage buff

or something like:
Health tanks would get a 25% health buff while also having a 15-25% speed and damage penalty
Speed tanks would get a 25% speed buff while also having a 15-25% health and damage penalty
Damage tanks would get a 25% damage buff while also having a 15-25% health and speed penalty

I think you guys are missing the point.

Right now we dont even have all of the different vehicle types and classes in game so balance is always going to change.

AV nades should scare off a tank or vehicle but they should not be able to solo any tank, unless the tank just sits there doing noting. It should be the job of dedicated or at least semi dedicated anti vehicle guys with forges and swarms etc to destroy tanks.

Air asses are the REAL counter to ground armour. Right now assault dropships are too squishy to fulfill that role properly (Yes they can tank out tanks but only if the enemy lets you fly there and it does require piloting skill to stick with the fleeing tanks)

If / When we get jets / fighter craft then we can see how gameplay turns out.

If a guy specs into a tank and gets great modules and he can drive really well, why should he not be able to murder whole squads of REGULAR infantry? Thats their role, as well as armour and installation take downs.

In the real world a rifleman wouldn't be sent against armour. Thats the job of specialised infantry and air support.

I could babble on, I played as a tanker in chromosome and as anti vehicle on my alt so I feel both sides of the argument.

LAV's are the new HAV's in Uprising. Logi Lav's are tougher to take down than another tank which is such BS. Everyone spec into proto AV nades, SL,FG and we will extirminate HAV's from this game. Tanks are and have been a waste of time in this game. LOL (ps my main is a tanker every sp point in tanks, proto turrets, mods, reps, plates, sheilds and if someone comes after me with av nades or SL FG i might get away, if there are 2 dudes forgetaboutit....



TANKS SUCK