And a Mass Driver got a kill....

Yes because you have the OPTION of going big on armor and getting a speed penalty, or you forsake that speed penalty and get about the same health. You have the option of getting regen with your armor as well, taking 1 slot instead of 2.

Shield regen is delayed, armor is instant. Shield regen doesnt have repair tools to help it, Armor does.

Honestly, you guys have no idea what you are talking about if you think these look UP. They seem absolutely amazing and open up a world of possibilities for my builds I never had before because I didnt want to sacrifice speed. Keep in mind they are also LOW slots, not high. What modules are competiting for your low slots? Shield extenders have to compete with damage mods.

Come on, use your heads here. If you could stack armor mods with no penalty over shield you would because then you could fit damage mods too. Armor regen is different, and perhaps a bit worse, but it does have some advantages over shield regen.

Any more loud, wrong opinions you guys want to yell at me?

btw was I the only one that seen the commando ak. 0
shields 392 and 312 armor(shields had a complex extender) 2 high slots and 1 low slot 1 equipment slot no grenades.

link please?

Are they bringing stuff in pre-nerfed to cut out the middle man?

I do agree that it appears that armor plates are balanced with eachother, that does seem legit to me.

So they need to find a good ratio of EHP that armor should have vs. shields then, and add in a penalty to shields or reduce the penalty to armor.

Seems like EHP on armor should be ~1.5 that of shields, but at this point it really isn't, not without a severe movement speed penalty.

I don't know anyone who likes armor tanking, ive never met a single person who even thought it was viable. Then again, I don't know many people who like dying over and over either.. so... yeah

Maybe we need to remove and rework remote rep tools if that's what holding back armor tanking, cause its not really an excuse, and I don't know anyone who is willing to do it outside of the newberry with no gun game in pub matches.

No one has the time to use a rep tool in PC, its constant action. You can't rely on another person to repair your armor in competitive play.

Shield tanking vs. armor tanking needs to be balanced purely by repair rate and effective hp. Then, penalties between shield extenders and armor plates need to be balanced against each other, separately from EHP. (I would prefer removing penalties altogether but I know some of you seem to adore module penalties).

At least Gallente scouts don't have to resort to shields anymore, thanks to ferroscale plates.

While i'm okay with scan profile, you can't really mess with the hit boxes in this game or it'll go really bad really quick. hit boxes work very differently in eve, and it works, but in an fps hitboxes are everything.

I feel like the better way to do it would be to have armor plates affect sprint speed and stamina only, leave the regen rate in.
A profile penalty could work for shield extenders as long as shield tanking scouts get a significant bonus to profile dampening modules to help offset the penalty and still allow then to be viable.

Scout should be immune to the penalty - heavies should be immune to the armor penalty, every "role" while being fully customizable SHOULD get a bonus for using gear and mods central to their theoretical role.

Unfortunately that isn't the case so now we have super caldari logi troopers.

These plates are more useful to shield tankers than armor tankers, that's why you have all these scrubs without a clue about the problems with armor tanking, and how these don't address them, coming in here saying how awesome these new plates are.

Thanks CCP, great job!

Actually the AR is balanced against the pistol. The fact that the AR should and does have a longer range is evidence of that balance, not against it. All the weapons are balanced relatively to each other, heavy, light and sidearm. It's function that determines what something compares to and since both shield and armor mods function to add HP and alter regen of course they should be balanced.

As for racial bonuses, I think Amarr Should get Bonuses to hit points received from armor modules. Mabey shield modules too, i dont know if that would make it unfair tho.

The Gallente should get pg/cpu reduction to armor mods, or a speed penalty reduction for armor mods.

The caldari should get a reduction to pg/cpu usage of shield modules, or shield regeneration penalty reduction for shield modules(if this feture is added.)

The minmatar should get bonuses to efficiency of shield regeneration and armor regeneration modules.

We can make these the skill bonuses for the basic suit, That way people will want to get prototype in them aswell.