CCP don't want Dust to be Pay to Win. If you find something that is genuinely P2W then report it in the defects forum and they'll treat it like any other bug.

They aren't trying to pull a fast one or anything; they just make mistakes occasionally.

This is the only P2W item in the entire game. Quit calling it P2W as soon as you see one item out of line...

But yes you are right this aur item is way out of line as it's so easy to get and so so powerful. To redo this they should rename it hacked thukker contact locus grenade or something like that and make it have the exact same stats as the thukker contact grenade. Only exception should of course be that you can get these at level 3 grenadier. Bum bum problem solved.

Ohh and when it comes to implementing lower level contact grenade variants ... DO NOT DO THAT !!
Just like AR's the more you skill into it the more exotic variants you get to use.

Who cares if it is pay to win? We are all investing a game here. Get a job or ask mommy and daddy to buy you some. I would hope the more money spent on this game equals a better product. AUR weapons and AUR tanks are a huge target everyone I know loves to make people spend real dough.

If we get a better game out of it so be it.

No, if people really want to keep contact grenades then it is the AUR version that needs a nerf, not the ISK version that needs a buff.

Thukker Contact Locus Grenade

Price: 23,190 ISK

CPU Cost: 48

PG Cost: 6

Prequisites: Weaponry 3, Explosives 1, Grenadier 5

SP Cost: 1,417,760 SP

Blast Radius: 2.5 meters

Damage: 600

Summary: Inferior to the AUR version in every aspect other than direct damage. Requires an enormous amount of skill training to use (approximately 5 weeks of grinding out the SP cap every single week without purchasing any other skill). Requires a significant amount of CPU / PG to equip which makes it near impossible to equip on lower tier dropsuits (and even high tier ones) without giving up a lot of other equipment.

Players must spec into high-end dropsuits / CPU/PG upgrades in order to equip these with other equipment, adding on to the time required to use these grenades.



Fused Locus Grenades

Price: 15 AUR

CPU Cost: 9

PG Cost: 2

Prerequisites: Zero Requirements

SP Cost: Zero

Blast Radius: 6.0 meters

Damage: 400

Summary: Superior to the Thukker Grenade in almost every aspect. Significantly wider blast radius makes it much easier to abuse. Can be purchased by any player who pays for AUR. Requires just a fraction of the CPU/PG cost of the Thukker so it can be fitted on almost any dropsuit loadout without any sacrifices. There is no direct ISK equivalent to this grenade.



Yep, totally a fair system. AUR purchasers definetely don't have the advantage here....

I don't know whether to feel pity for this company's stupidity.

Or annoyed at them for treating their customers as idiots.

tbh this game seems to get worse on almost a daily basis now.

If it had ever crossed my mind to try EVE, after this experience, Hell would have to freeze.

I really wanted this game to be what it promised. I foolishly believed ccp's marketing BS. Lesson learned, will not be caught twice.

CCP don't want Dust to be Pay to Win. If you find something that is genuinely P2W then report it in the defects forum and they'll treat it like any other bug.

They aren't trying to pull a fast one or anything; they just make mistakes occasionally.

Oh ffs, how's that Koolaid taste?

I'm honestly not trying be an ass but what exactly are you saying? That CCP did it on purpose and hoped no one would notice? Or that they want to implement single items here and there hoping no one will mind as long as it slowly becomes completely P2W?

Or something else entirely?

Either it's intentional, or it's not. Either is extremely damaging to their reputation, considering there has yet to be a time since the beginning of the closed beta that there hasn't been at least one P2W item in the market. Besides, it's not like they don't continue to put out new P2W items.

Even new players can pretty quickly spot the P2W stuff, are you trying to tell me CCP employees can't compare the stats of the items they are putting out with the ISK versions already on the game? Give me a break man.

Who cares if it is pay to win? We are all investing a game here. Get a job or ask mommy and daddy to buy you some. I would hope the more money spent on this game equals a better product. AUR weapons and AUR tanks are a huge target everyone I know loves to make people spend real dough.

If we get a better game out of it so be it.

Thukker Contact Locus Grenade

Price: 23,190 ISK

CPU Cost: 48

PG Cost: 6

Prequisites: Weaponry 3, Explosives 1, Grenadier 5

SP Cost: 1,417,760 SP

Blast Radius: 2.5 meters

Damage: 600

Summary: Inferior to the AUR version in every aspect other than direct damage. Requires an enormous amount of skill training to use (approximately 5 weeks of grinding out the SP cap every single week without purchasing any other skill). Requires a significant amount of CPU / PG to equip which makes it near impossible to equip on lower tier dropsuits (and even high tier ones) without giving up a lot of other equipment.

Players must spec into high-end dropsuits / CPU/PG upgrades in order to equip these with other equipment, adding on to the time required to use these grenades.



Fused Locus Grenades

Price: 15 AUR

CPU Cost: 9

PG Cost: 2

Prerequisites: Zero Requirements

SP Cost: Zero

Blast Radius: 6.0 meters

Damage: 400

Summary: Superior to the Thukker Grenade in almost every aspect. Significantly wider blast radius makes it much easier to abuse. Can be purchased by any player who pays for AUR. Requires just a fraction of the CPU/PG cost of the Thukker so it can be fitted on almost any dropsuit loadout without any sacrifices. There is no direct ISK equivalent to this grenade.



Yep, totally a fair system. AUR purchasers definetely don't have the advantage here....

Thukker Contact Locus Grenade

Price: 23,190 ISK

CPU Cost: 48

PG Cost: 6

Prequisites: Weaponry 3, Explosives 1, Grenadier 5

SP Cost: 1,417,760 SP

Blast Radius: 2.5 meters

Damage: 600

Summary: Inferior to the AUR version in every aspect other than direct damage. Requires an enormous amount of skill training to use (approximately 5 weeks of grinding out the SP cap every single week without purchasing any other skill). Requires a significant amount of CPU / PG to equip which makes it near impossible to equip on lower tier dropsuits (and even high tier ones) without giving up a lot of other equipment.

Players must spec into high-end dropsuits / CPU/PG upgrades in order to equip these with other equipment, adding on to the time required to use these grenades.



Fused Locus Grenades

Price: 15 AUR

CPU Cost: 9

PG Cost: 2

Prerequisites: Zero Requirements

SP Cost: Zero

Blast Radius: 6.0 meters

Damage: 400

Summary: Superior to the Thukker Grenade in almost every aspect. Significantly wider blast radius makes it much easier to abuse. Can be purchased by any player who pays for AUR. Requires just a fraction of the CPU/PG cost of the Thukker so it can be fitted on almost any dropsuit loadout without any sacrifices. There is no direct ISK equivalent to this grenade.



Yep, totally a fair system. AUR purchasers definetely don't have the advantage here....

You guys will clutch at absolutely everything to cry about. As a contact grenade the only stat that actually bloody matters is the direct damage. If you miss, you did it wrong and REGULAR grenades would have been a better option.

I really don't see the problem. The contact greandes need contact to deal direct damage and the AUR one is WORSE at dealing direct damage than the ISK one? And yet it's still pay to win?

"OMG ALL THE STATS ARE BETTER EXCEPT THE ONE THAT MATTERS P2W FFS CCP!"

Also it's absolutely ******** to look at stats in a vacuum. Direct comparisons don't work. "Oh but a normal grenade can be avoided!" That it can, and while they're avoiding it they're not shooting at you. The trade off is this: Direct Contact grenades are harder to use and have less splash at the cost of losing their CC ability.

Regular grenades have a larger blast and are easier to use on a time delayed fuse, the trade off is they let you relocate in saftey and cause CC. A failure on the enemies part to heed that grenade warning nets you a kill. Please actually LEARN how to use ALL the tools in your inventory rather than just looking at what nets you the most kills.

This method of WHINING is what gave us games like CoD.

Also you people are crazy.

You guys will clutch at absolutely everything to cry about. As a contact grenade the only stat that actually bloody matters is the direct damage. If you miss, you did it wrong and REGULAR grenades would have been a better option.

I really don't see the problem. The contact greandes need contact to deal direct damage and the AUR one is WORSE at dealing direct damage than the ISK one? And yet it's still pay to win?

"OMG ALL THE STATS ARE BETTER EXCEPT THE ONE THAT MATTERS P2W FFS CCP!"

Also it's absolutely ******** to look at stats in a vacuum. Direct comparisons don't work. "Oh but a normal grenade can be avoided!" That it can, and while they're avoiding it they're not shooting at you. The trade off is this: Direct Contact grenades are harder to use and have less splash at the cost of losing their CC ability.

Regular grenades have a larger blast and are easier to use on a time delayed fuse, the trade off is they let you relocate in saftey and cause CC. A failure on the enemies part to heed that grenade warning nets you a kill. Please actually LEARN how to use ALL the tools in your inventory rather than just looking at what nets you the most kills.

This method of WHINING is what gave us games like CoD.

Also you people are crazy.

Everyone with eyes can see that the contact explosives have no place in this game.

OP, pay2Win, whatever.... they're ultra lame. Why bother balancing things like SMGs, HMGs, and ARs when you're just going to add a weapon that instantaneously one shots 90% of the player base in an instant with no cook off or tell.

Defending contact grenades is something someone who likes the current strafe speed on scouts would do.

Let's say you and I are in a shoot out, We're both new players. I bought AUR and used it to acquire no skill fused locus grenades, you didn't.

Who wins the fight?

Anyone?


Anyone?


Bueller?

And he should be punished for that because?~

Pretty sure CCP have been saying for a long time (Though not forever, no) that AUR items let you circumvent skill requirements. Hell, don't the announcement on the war-barge say "Short on time? Short on skills? Purchase Aurum today!" if I recall rightly?

He skipped the skill requirement by buying an item. That's what the item is there for. That's what Aurum is there for. He's not paid to win, he's paid-to-get-it-earlier-than-you. Which is fine. That's freemium for you. He has no unfair advantage against anyone whos' been around for a week.

He does if he bought skill boosters. Skill boosters don't simply let you draw from the weekly pool faster, they add 50% to the total pool overall allowing the player that pays to gain a substantial advantage over the non paying player. In two weeks you are one week ahead of the free to play player, in 4 your are two - then 2 months down the road the Paying player is an entire month ahead.

If you don't think that player is going to win more often, especially with this watered down strafing we have now, simply because they payed, you're lying to yourself. How is that not the very definition of pay to win?

Thukker Contact Locus Grenade

Price: 23,190 ISK

CPU Cost: 48

PG Cost: 6

Prequisites: Weaponry 3, Explosives 1, Grenadier 5

SP Cost: 1,417,760 SP

Blast Radius: 2.5 meters

Damage: 600

Summary: Inferior to the AUR version in every aspect other than direct damage. Requires an enormous amount of skill training to use (approximately 5 weeks of grinding out the SP cap every single week without purchasing any other skill). Requires a significant amount of CPU / PG to equip which makes it near impossible to equip on lower tier dropsuits (and even high tier ones) without giving up a lot of other equipment.

Players must spec into high-end dropsuits / CPU/PG upgrades in order to equip these with other equipment, adding on to the time required to use these grenades.



Fused Locus Grenades

Price: 15 AUR

CPU Cost: 9

PG Cost: 2

Prerequisites: Zero Requirements

SP Cost: Zero

Blast Radius: 6.0 meters

Damage: 400

Summary: Superior to the Thukker Grenade in almost every aspect. Significantly wider blast radius makes it much easier to abuse. Can be purchased by any player who pays for AUR. Requires just a fraction of the CPU/PG cost of the Thukker so it can be fitted on almost any dropsuit loadout without any sacrifices. There is no direct ISK equivalent to this grenade.



Yep, totally a fair system. AUR purchasers definetely don't have the advantage here....

CCP's chief marketing officer, David Reid, has compared this model to that of League of Legends. Reid has added that Dust 514 is not a "pay-to-win" game Aurum can only be used to buy cosmetic items or items similar to what can be earned ingame without paying real money.

Thats mean CCP marketing chief David Reid lying?!