It's funny how when a noob comes on complaining about being dominated by players with proto gear all these so called vets come on here and say gear doesn't matter, adapt or die, and if your a skilled player the suit differences are marginal. Then every three weeks the same vets post about the game being p2w and the unfair advantages of AUR gear....Lame

I say take this AUR item out as it levels the playing field for new players ... And who need's new players right ?
We could ***** about how all the beta players got their sp carried over . I didn't get a chance for that .
I cry unfair .... nerf em .
Sp Gap ....cry cry ?

This stuff that makes the top players ***** that noobs are killing em ..... keep .
Or lose your new players that are willing to spend money .

What chance does the new guy have against a ur squad?
I mean FFS ....

And really do you want these peasants playing your game if they can't afford 0.75 cents ..... I mean really guys .
It's not a 100,000 AUR item .

Get a job kids , This is a free game .
You are gonna spend at least 60 $ on any other new game.
Go buy some DLC and quit crying .

Imma go buy some just cause I know it twists ur panties up.

My god quit whining FFS, First it was TAC rifles now grenades? GTFO I get killed by Militia friggen grenades more than i do fused grenades. Fused grenades have been in the game much longer then you fking panzys. ANYTHING that kills people like you in a game your gonna ***** moan and complain its over powered GET OVER IT. Dont wanna die by them JUMP AND STRAFE! Get good scrub until then stfu about everything being OP. First ya bitched about not haveing fused grenades for isk THEN CCP gave them to you! Now you cry about what you've been given SERIOUSLY?! STFU and go play the game!

pay to win, Which this game clearly is not just a bunch of babys crying as usual.

I paid $20 and havent won anything.

What exactly does P2W mean?

Thukker Contact Locus Grenade

Price: 23,190 ISK

CPU Cost: 48

PG Cost: 6

Prequisites: Weaponry 3, Explosives 1, Grenadier 5

SP Cost: 1,417,760 SP

Blast Radius: 2.5 meters

Damage: 600

Summary: Inferior to the AUR version in every aspect other than direct damage. Requires an enormous amount of skill training to use (approximately 5 weeks of grinding out the SP cap every single week without purchasing any other skill). Requires a significant amount of CPU / PG to equip which makes it near impossible to equip on lower tier dropsuits (and even high tier ones) without giving up a lot of other equipment.

Players must spec into high-end dropsuits / CPU/PG upgrades in order to equip these with other equipment, adding on to the time required to use these grenades.



Fused Locus Grenades

Price: 15 AUR

CPU Cost: 9

PG Cost: 2

Prerequisites: Zero Requirements

SP Cost: Zero

Blast Radius: 6.0 meters

Damage: 400

Summary: Superior to the Thukker Grenade in almost every aspect. Significantly wider blast radius makes it much easier to abuse. Can be purchased by any player who pays for AUR. Requires just a fraction of the CPU/PG cost of the Thukker so it can be fitted on almost any dropsuit loadout without any sacrifices. There is no direct ISK equivalent to this grenade.



Yep, totally a fair system. AUR purchasers definetely don't have the advantage here....

Thanks for the simple comparison to shut up the fanbois. They cant dent this one.

CCP has yet to fix it, because they wont. It is currently the largest money maker they got

pay to win, Which this game clearly is not just a bunch of babys crying as usual.

In gaming, "pay to win" is a term used to describe a situation in which the game offers items for real world currency that are superior to the items available through purely in-game terms. Since Dust 514 has multiple examples of this practice, it is by definition, P2W.

It's not hard to understand, and I don't see how anyone who understands the concept could argue otherwise.

Aside from the one pointed out, which others are there? Calling the game P2W would suggest this is a repeated or pervasive practice, yet we only have one example which for all we know could be an unintended oversight.

Contact grenades are near game breaking and having performance differences between the AUR and ISK variants is Pay2win - plain and simple.

EDIT: Oh wait, I'm sorry. The game isn't Pay2Win - they said so at fanfest. Plus the COMMUNITY would go BALLISTIC if it were true... So it can't be true otherwise someone from the community would speak up about it and we would all be like ROOOOOOAAAAAR and CCP's faces would melt like they just opened the Ark of the Covenant.

Thukker Contact Locus Grenade

Price: 23,190 ISK

CPU Cost: 48

PG Cost: 6

Prequisites: Weaponry 3, Explosives 1, Grenadier 5

SP Cost: 1,417,760 SP

Blast Radius: 2.5 meters

Damage: 600

Summary: Inferior to the AUR version in every aspect other than direct damage. Requires an enormous amount of skill training to use (approximately 5 weeks of grinding out the SP cap every single week without purchasing any other skill). Requires a significant amount of CPU / PG to equip which makes it near impossible to equip on lower tier dropsuits (and even high tier ones) without giving up a lot of other equipment.

Players must spec into high-end dropsuits / CPU/PG upgrades in order to equip these with other equipment, adding on to the time required to use these grenades.



Fused Locus Grenades

Price: 15 AUR

CPU Cost: 9

PG Cost: 2

Prerequisites: Zero Requirements

SP Cost: Zero

Blast Radius: 6.0 meters

Damage: 400

Summary: Superior to the Thukker Grenade in almost every aspect. Significantly wider blast radius makes it much easier to abuse. Can be purchased by any player who pays for AUR. Requires just a fraction of the CPU/PG cost of the Thukker so it can be fitted on almost any dropsuit loadout without any sacrifices. There is no direct ISK equivalent to this grenade.



Yep, totally a fair system. AUR purchasers definetely don't have the advantage here....