That's not paying to win. That's paying to get ahead faster. Paying to win is me buying a dropsuit and gun that is, in every way better, faster, stronger, with more slots and higher resists than anything you can get with ISK.

Paying to get an item without skill requirements, or to get those skills sooner? ... That's not P2W. And people who don't understand what P2W is are always the ones who cry the loudest about Microtransactions.

What World of Tanks did with gold ammo was pay to win, something they're now rapidly moving away from due to the horribly bad rep it gave them. The trade off is this: If you don't pay a penny, you get the game for free. If you pay into it, you get things sooner.

But you never pay to win.

You don't just get ahead faster buying boosters, you get ahead permanently and, over time, substantially..

This divide will heretofore be known as the SP Abyss, the game will one day fall into it.

In the E3 build, I ran standard Type II assault suits with proto SMGs and competed rather well landing in the top 10 most of the build.

In this build, the difference in gear and lack of strafe speed favoring SP over player skill, that is not possible - and it's just not fun either.

as soon as we get the player market you can just stfu about p2w. want some real pay to win go try battlefield play for free.

Pay to win means an isk unbuyable item, or only aur items.

Is that happening right now? No

Pay to win means an isk unbuyable item, or only aur items.

Is that happening right now? No

Would you rather pay subscriptions like in eve?

Actually yes, i will. By my calculations i will spend alot less money, and get alot more. With a subscription CCP won't have the excuse that is F2P game, and they will have to deliver alot more, alot faster.

Contact grenades shouldn't even be in the game. Neither Isk or Aurum versions.

Lately, I haven't seen many people use these in a while. So it's not a big problem for me until everybody starts running around throwing grenades at my feet.

But the game isn't pay to win

What I find down right pathetic is that not one single Red or Blue Tag has posted one thing in this thread!

It is almost like they have conceded to defeat!

They have their hands up and are saying, " Okay guys you got us, this game is P2W because we need to get paid."

I don't know whether to feel pity for this company's stupidity.

Or annoyed at them for treating their customers as idiots.

tbh this game seems to get worse on almost a daily basis now.

If it had ever crossed my mind to try EVE, after this experience, Hell would have to freeze.

I really wanted this game to be what it promised. I foolishly believed ccp's marketing BS. Lesson learned, will not be caught twice.

No, it's probably because if the other 10,735 threads in which they've posted:

"Player market is coming, all AUR items will be available for ISK. We're working on it but don't know when it will be ready. The only thing we can say is when it's done we'll add it to the game."

And then people continue bitching about it so what's the point in even posting on the topic. This has been an issue for something like 7 months or more so they're probably just sick and tired of wasting time trying to explain it.

And what a lot of you don't realize is the player market is actually going to be a boost to AUR sales since EVE players would be able to convert real money to ISK by selling AUR items on the market. AUR sales will most likely increase or at the very least remain unchanged as soon as the market is up and running. CCP isn't sitting on it just to make more money, they're probably losing money by not having it operational.

As I understand the plan there will only be one player market between the games so they have to make sure that when they deploy it in DUST it doesn't screw up the EVE market. Since EVE represents 50% of their released games and a pretty much they're only reliable source of revenue I can see why they're being very careful to make sure it works.

That being said trying to sneak these superior AUR items is shady business. I sincerely hope it's just an honest mistake and can be blamed on the hectic nature of deploying patches for a game that you're still in the process of developing.

**The short version is I don't think CCP is purposefully keeping the market out of the game to make money because it's probably costing them money, they're just being careful. Things like the fused grenades are stupid mistakes on their part and need to be addressed. CCP is guilty of some monumental mistakes with this game but I'm not ready to say it's been intentional malice, just gross incompetence.