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Sorry but you're wrong. Contact grenades are indeed pay to win items that make a large impact on the battlefield. How can you think otherwise?

Right now, the grenades and the Blood Raider Saga are Pay to Win.

A good argument can be made that the boosters are also Pay to Win, but I'm not sure I buy it.

At any given time there has been at least one pay to win item in the market.


This isn't a difficult thing to NOT do, all they have to do is compare the item they are about to release onto the market, with the ISK version of the same item. If the AUR version is better, it's Pay to WIn. You can't possibly believe that this isn't something they can do. It's ridiculous to argue that they don't know they are putting Pay to Win items on the market.

They put them on the market until we complain, then they replace them with a new Pay to Win item. I mean, open your eyes dude. You even agree that they do it, but then turn around and simply pretend like they don't and attack those who point it out. It's ridiculous.

Who cares if it is pay to win? We are all investing a game here. Get a job or ask mommy and daddy to buy you some. I would hope the more money spent on this game equals a better product. AUR weapons and AUR tanks are a huge target everyone I know loves to make people spend real dough.

If we get a better game out of it so be it.

Those AUR contact grenades also came with the merc pack which said any items in the pack that were removed from the game would be replaced by something of equal value. Perhaps CCP put the grenades on the market so they would have a set value in order to remove them from the game.

Just offering a counterpoint. Because like I've been saying, it's got nothing to do with me being blind to what CCP is doing but I just don't think "Say there won't be any P2W items and then start adding P2W items" is some kind of master plan they have. They know the players will notice it and they know there will be an uproar so what's the endgame for them? That we'll just forget? I'm sorry, I just don't see it being more than a mistake or done temporarily for a good reason.

And boosters are not pay 2 win, people that think that can stop whining. When you fly in coach you don't get free drinks and a reclining seat but you still get to the same destination as first class. Your journey was just a little less pleasant.

As far as booster, the argument is that you can never catch up to someone who buys the boosters every week. They will always be ahead, and the longer the game goes along, the further ahead they will get. They are literally paying for an advantage that can never be made up.

This would only be true if:

1. There was no upper bound on growth
2. Every skill in the game would benefit all playstyles and affect all modules and stats
3. SP was useful in and of itself

Since none of those things are true then a player using boosters could certainly "do more", but they wouldn't be able to do anything better than a player without a booster.

Or you could just suck it up until the market is ready and buy them for ISK. I'm aware I keep saying that over and over but that's because it's true.

This would only be true if:

1. There was no upper bound on growth
2. Every skill in the game would benefit all playstyles and affect all modules and stats
3. SP was useful in and of itself

Since none of those things are true then a player using boosters could certainly "do more", but they wouldn't be able to do anything better than a player without a booster.

Or you could just suck it up until the market is ready and buy them for ISK. I'm aware I keep saying that over and over but that's because it's true.