Do your place holders include the other racial variants of the sentinel?

How can you balance them? maybe that "heat build up damage reduction bonus" thing... is actually useful?

Agree with Captain-Placeholder. The current races have fairly distinct colour schemes, so something as simple as recoloured versions of the current suits until suitable artwork is finished could work.

I say do it, it is pretty hard to balance when they aren't even in the game.

Jenza, you think they might be able to make this in time for us to spec into it when we will receive the optional respec we are waiting for right now? End of this month or beginning of june let say? you probably can't tell, but I ask anyway.

DOOO ITTTTT

But if you convince them to, you have to convince them to do a partial respec.

Say you went Amarr sentinal, but you want to be Gallente. You should have all those points refunded from racial dropsuits, so you can either put them back, or chose your new suit.

You can petition CCP for a full respec as long as you do it by May 31st

You're missing my point, I already have my respec coming :p

I'm saying, let's say you've put all your points into Amarr heavies, but all you want is Gallente heavies. Gallente heavy is released, you're now stuck with Amarr.

If they refund the SP spent on racial dropsuits, you can then go back and put the points in Amarr if you wanted to, or you can switch to Gallente.

Well hopefully they add the placeholder dropsuits before the respecs. That would be the most prudent thing to do.

Well hopefully they add the placeholder dropsuits before the respecs. That would be the most prudent thing to do.

If this happens, when the new artwork is finished what will happen to the placeholder suits? Would they be refunded, simply convert to the new artwork, or remain in your inventory as useable alongside the new artwork suits while being removed from the market?

simple answer, the placeholder is ONLY the graphics, the graphics get replaced with the intended ones that are still in development and voila!

as for the people asking if it can be in before the repec, thats HIGHLY unlikely.

At this stage getting placeholder suits is still unlikely at this point untill we get overwhelming support from the community

Hey all.

One of the ideas things that has been discussed with the CPM is the idea to have placeholder models for all the currently missing racial variants (gal, min, cal heavy, cal & amar light) to have placeholder models with all the intended slot loadouts, skills, skill bonuses and stats untill such a time where the art department is ready to implement them.

We think that currently, a lot of the suits seem to be trying to balance themselves for options that dont yet exist which is kinda flawed. Traditionally CCP doesn't really like the use of placeholders but in this instance we think its fairly important.

Any feedback and thoughts on this would be very valuable.

You might not get that overwhelming support, since majority play medium frames with AR.
You will get a lot of heavy/scout players support, but most AR users might just ignore this.
I am sure we would be at page 55 if we were taking about some assault and logi suits.

Well, thanks for the info about a release time, i will play my militia for a while, until something happen

You might not get that overwhelming support, since majority play medium frames with AR.
You will get a lot of heavy/scout players support, but most AR users might just ignore this.
I am sure we would be at page 55 if we were taking about some assault and logi suits.

Well, thanks for the info about a release time, i will play my militia for a while, until something happen

the main idea for the heavy for example is to just have the current amarr heavy as a placeholder model for the other ones then have the colour tinted red, green or grey for the racial variants.

As i already said when we discussed this, i'm totally in favor of doing this.

The current suits and specialized suits need some work to get back to a point where clear markers make them stick to the area of expertise they should cover. It can be done by balancing bonuses, shifting layouts and other statistics but it's kinda meaningless if we dont have the full package of suits to do this.

I can very much understand how painfull it would be for graphics and design teams to see new suits first come out without their unique skin but we cannot wait X months for this.

I hear many heavies being bored by not having new suits to get their hands on. And i think it may disgust those players at some point and drive them away.

Could it be the same with some "missing" racial weapon variants (combat rifle, rail rifle etc)? then, we'll have pretty much the "full" game with a huge variety on the maps and greater balance

Just a quick idea for this topic, maybe just change the title to something to get a little more attention. I don't know, maybe [CPM proposal] in front or something like petition.

Just a quick idea for this topic, maybe just change the title to something to get a little more attention. I don't know, maybe [CPM proposal] in front or something like petition.