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ChromeBreaker wrote:

martinofski wrote:

ChromeBreaker wrote:

martinofski wrote:

Not sure why Chromebreaker is suggesting removing the sentinel, even though I understand it is worse than the basic, with useless bonuses. The best is to have all the variant to be able to test and provide feedback and at one point correct the sentinel and the other all together.

How can you add a suit without its primary use? its like putting the amarr assualt in without scrambler rifles and lasers? or the minmatar scout without any melee weapons lol

you can put them in... but im against it untill theyre ready. Straight

I understand you don't want another useless suit like the sentinel, I don't as well. but I am pretty sure we could use a suit from the same race as the Forge gun(Gallente?) and one for the minmatar HMG, so we get some corresponding bonuses and playstyle stats. Sure thing, if they don't show what they are (at least here on the forum in a spec sheet) we will never know if they look ready to be deployed.

I don't care about the look, but I do about the functionnality of it.

You're just showing in some way the necessity to have the other Heavy suits variants, since the current Amarr suit is the one being useless, without it's Amarr weapon to match.

The 4 racial suits need to be balanced against each other and you cant do that untill the other weapons are out... dont want another cal logi. Also people will just spec into the suits with the guns and then moan when the others come out.

All or nothing.


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martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 118	Posted - 2013.05.23 12:30:00 - [1] - Quote Good! I have been preaching this since uprising started, glad it is finally on the table. Not sure why Chromebreaker is suggesting removing the sentinel, even though I understand it is worse than the basic, with useless bonuses. The best is to have all the variant to be able to test and provide feedback and at one point correct the sentinel and the other all together. My current concern is the SP, I requested my respec as many did, but until they bring in other races for the scout and heavy, I will most probably stick with militia stuff until I can spec into something else than the Amarr, which I never intended to use. Basically, the Amarr invented the heavy suit, but like in real life, competiton stole a suit (with the use of the newly developped cloaking device). They got copied and improved to be use by the other races weapon of choice and war style. First prototypes suits were just straight Amarr design with some internal mods to modules and bio-mechanic Jenza, have CCP proposed this, or do you plan to propose it to them? I know Remnant basically proposed the same, but he was taking about type-II and other variants. This for me could be push just a little further in the skill tree and already separate the races like other (medium and light) suits.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 118	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:10:00 - [2] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: martinofski wrote: Not sure why Chromebreaker is suggesting removing the sentinel, even though I understand it is worse than the basic, with useless bonuses. The best is to have all the variant to be able to test and provide feedback and at one point correct the sentinel and the other all together. How can you add a suit without its primary use? its like putting the amarr assualt in without scrambler rifles and lasers? or the minmatar scout without any melee weapons lol you can put them in... but im against it untill theyre ready. I understand you don't want another useless suit like the sentinel, I don't as well. but I am pretty sure we could use a suit from the same race as the Forge gun(Gallente?) and one for the minmatar HMG, so we get some corresponding bonuses and playstyle stats. Sure thing, if they don't show what they are (at least here on the forum in a spec sheet) we will never know if they look ready to be deployed. I don't care about the look, but I do about the functionnality of it. You're just showing in some way the necessity to have the other Heavy suits variants, since the current Amarr suit is the one being useless, without it's Amarr weapon to match.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 118	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:07:00 - [3] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: martinofski wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: martinofski wrote: Not sure why Chromebreaker is suggesting removing the sentinel, even though I understand it is worse than the basic, with useless bonuses. The best is to have all the variant to be able to test and provide feedback and at one point correct the sentinel and the other all together. How can you add a suit without its primary use? its like putting the amarr assualt in without scrambler rifles and lasers? or the minmatar scout without any melee weapons lol you can put them in... but im against it untill theyre ready. I understand you don't want another useless suit like the sentinel, I don't as well. but I am pretty sure we could use a suit from the same race as the Forge gun(Gallente?) and one for the minmatar HMG, so we get some corresponding bonuses and playstyle stats. Sure thing, if they don't show what they are (at least here on the forum in a spec sheet) we will never know if they look ready to be deployed. I don't care about the look, but I do about the functionnality of it. You're just showing in some way the necessity to have the other Heavy suits variants, since the current Amarr suit is the one being useless, without it's Amarr weapon to match. The 4 racial suits need to be balanced against each other and you cant do that untill the other weapons are out... dont want another cal logi. Also people will just spec into the suits with the guns and then moan when the others come out. All or nothing. Not sure weapons will make every suit balanced or not, most suit have bonus related to suit itself, not to their weapon, so you don't necessary need to use a weapon/suit combo all the time. The sentinel has a bonus related to the gun feedback damage, which is lame, even if they release a huge laser with feedback damage in my eyes, unless this gun would deal 1000hp in feedback damage, I doubt the 10% bonus would bring much benefits. 10% over 1000hp in feedback damage, that is a big 100hp saved from the bonus, on a 1500+HP heavy suit...useless, you still lose 900hp. anyway. If feedback damage is less, it's even more pointless, saving 30hp over a 300hp dmg on a 1500hp pool, lol.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 118	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:04:00 - [4] - Quote I say do it, it is pretty hard to balance when they aren't even in the game. Jenza, you think they might be able to make this in time for us to spec into it when we will receive the optional respec we are waiting for right now? End of this month or beginning of june let say? you probably can't tell, but I ask anyway.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 119	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:28:00 - [5] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: You can petition CCP for a full respec as long as you do it by May 31st You're missing my point, I already have my respec coming :p I'm saying, let's say you've put all your points into Amarr heavies, but all you want is Gallente heavies. Gallente heavy is released, you're now stuck with Amarr. If they refund the SP spent on racial dropsuits, you can then go back and put the points in Amarr if you wanted to, or you can switch to Gallente. Well hopefully they add the placeholder dropsuits before the respecs. That would be the most prudent thing to do. They can't do a partial respec I think. Well they don't want to since it would create a precedent for any of the new stuff coming. What will happen when they will release stuff like fighters. People will want a respec out of assault dropship so they can put back their points in that. Same goes for weapon. They need to make this quick so we can specialize in a specific race, while using the current optional respec. The only downside is the folks that aren't informed there is a optionnal respec and didn't requested it.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 119	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:43:00 - [6] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Fro Diesel wrote: If this happens, when the new artwork is finished what will happen to the placeholder suits? Would they be refunded, simply convert to the new artwork, or remain in your inventory as useable alongside the new artwork suits while being removed from the market? simple answer, the placeholder is ONLY the graphics, the graphics get replaced with the intended ones that are still in development and voila! as for the people asking if it can be in before the repec, thats HIGHLY unlikely. At this stage getting placeholder suits is still unlikely at this point untill we get overwhelming support from the community You might not get that overwhelming support, since majority play medium frames with AR. You will get a lot of heavy/scout players support, but most AR users might just ignore this. I am sure we would be at page 55 if we were taking about some assault and logi suits. Well, thanks for the info about a release time, i will play my militia for a while, until something happen
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 119	Posted - 2013.05.23 17:14:00 - [7] - Quote Just a quick idea for this topic, maybe just change the title to something to get a little more attention. I don't know, maybe [CPM proposal] in front or something like petition.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 119	Posted - 2013.05.23 17:49:00 - [8] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Someone asked me to add a blue tag to this thread, but this is not something that I work on. So while I will post here, no blue tag! :P Thanks man anyway.
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 128	Posted - 2013.05.27 11:54:00 - [9] - Quote Up to this, To bad it didn't go in the weekly feedback/suggestion announcement from CCP. For my, that was more important than discussing trophies...
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 141	Posted - 2013.05.28 12:55:00 - [10] - Quote Bump for Choices

martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 148	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:34:00 - [11] - Quote I will run militia or lvl3 amarr now with my respec. Saving my SP for the race which will be good enough for my SP investment.
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 169	Posted - 2013.06.04 18:25:00 - [12] - Quote Hey Jenza, what's your goal with this topic now? I know you want more visibility, but are you waiting for CCP to notice that topic or waiting to get 25 pages before pointing it out to them? Just a thought. We got a good 15 pages now, maybe we should get that topic to the proper Dev so he can give is thoughts on it at least. Just wanted to know how you would handle this one once you got the visibility you want. The passive or the active way?
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 169	Posted - 2013.06.04 18:50:00 - [13] - Quote But to have many upper management approval, the case need to be brought up there by a Dev who think it is a great idea, one which definitely need to be pushed up there. I just wanted to know what was our next step, other than hope something might happen, even though it's pretty much all we can do...
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 170	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:58:00 - [14] - Quote I am surprised we don't have any dev post here, except when Foxfour came to troll without is blue tag. I am stating to think they aren't considering it because they are about to release the other variants of the suits soon, like at E3 or something. I am probably getting my hope way too high lol.
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 170	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:07:00 - [15] - Quote Both, completed with new maps, game modes and fixes. . Go CCP, surprise us!
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 173	Posted - 2013.06.07 14:58:00 - [16] - Quote Yep, a long time ago.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 209	Posted - 2013.06.13 17:37:00 - [17] - Quote bump to page one, even though people agree, we should say it over and over.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 220	Posted - 2013.06.18 18:00:00 - [18] - Quote And if we look closely, a dev posted in this thread right here, but took the time to make sure no tag were added...
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 220	Posted - 2013.06.18 18:06:00 - [19] - Quote My point is that CCP didn't want to discuss it out. Basically.