Logistics Frames

+1 or +2 Equipment Slots, Total 3 to 4

REMOVE Light weapon slot, replace with two side arm slots.

Built in bonus for additional sidearm reserve

Built in bonus for side arm range.

Tech 1 bonuses

Racial Utility Bonus (Fitting, Hacking, Repair, Range of Equipment)

Racial Equipment Bonus ( Explosives, Scanners, Deploy-ables, Equipped)

(The need for better side arms is needed such as carbines)
(option for dual wielding one hand side arms should be made as well)

Geeze, what part of suggested don't you guys understand? Did I take it too far with the sermon?

Let me clarify some things here. I use the Minmatar Logi and it's fine as is. Not sure about the Gallente and Amarr, but the Caldari is the problem with the crazy slot allocation and the Assaults are kind of gimped. Whatever the case, one suit class shouldn't be punished because one racial suit is a bit imbalanced. Plus, I like having a light weapon because I use the mass driver in a full support role. Losing that in exchange for dual wield isn't going to help because people will find a way to make it work. Everything in this game is getting nerfed left and right, the logis finally get a needed buff and now it's our turn?
Caldari logi is the issue, not the whole class.

I have seen other logi-suits on the field breaking everything in sight, the only one lacking presence is the Amarr Logi.

Just Nerfing the Caldari Logi suit would only shift players into using the Gallente Logi suit which has a stupid amount of armor repair. By going down the list it may finally get to the Amarr Logi Suit that we may see a real assault suit take the lead instead.

On the flip side I do not think that giving the Assault Suit a second equipment slot is the solution either as it could make them far too independent.

This is absolute bullshit, I live with the Logi MD, die with the Logi MD. It's a SUPPORT weapon, and Logis can't use it now because of people QQing?

Same reason why I don't want to be restricted to sidearms. Not having one in exchange for equipment slots is a much better tradeoff than not being able to use the only support weapon in the game as a support class.

Speaking of mass drivers, have you had any luck with it after the ninja nerf? It's easier to get kills with it and all, but I can't herd people or pin them down at choke points like I used to.

Same reason why I don't want to be restricted to sidearms. Not having one in exchange for equipment slots is a much better tradeoff than not being able to use the only support weapon in the game as a support class.

Speaking of mass drivers, have you had any luck with it after the ninja nerf? It's easier to get kills with it and all, but I can't herd people or pin them down at choke points like I used to.

You can't area deny with any version of the MD anymore, and that was the main reason to use it to begin with. Shots that would hit the enemy in the previous build, dont. Forget trying to scare anyone with the Assault with a pathetic 55 max damage per shot on 400-500 shielded enemies, especially with the spread and range nerf. Freedom = 1 vs 1 only, and Breach took a big damage nerf so it's terrible. I don't have a problem with nerfing the MD, everything was pretty much nerfed for Uprising(except for the AR of course), but 20% damage decrease with a 30% spread decrease is way too much.

A 10% decrease in damage with a 15-20% spread reduction would have been much more reasonable.

Well, instead of nerfing its combat capabilities, why not adjust the fitting capabilities? Lower the PG/CPU on all the logi suits but give them a bonus reduction to fitting all equipment. That could even things out. But the assault suits do need a bit of a buff. If I was an assault, I'd probably switch to logi. You can tell Remnant had a hand in this lol.

Overall no my experience with the MD is worse. However I am far more effective in kills and scaring people off with it in Uprising its not the best weapon due to several bugs associated with it most notable the explosions that deal 0 damage to direct hits, and the shot and smoke trails not matching.

As for the Logi-suits MUST have MDs is a very poor argument and it is a narrow minded consideration to the fact a sandbox exists. To extrapolate you are supposed to be able to explore the use of any light weapon and any suit with a light weapon slot can explore the use with mass drivers. Some of the scariest MD users from last build where not Logi-suits but scout suits that use them for CQC weapons in Chomosome but that is my personal opinion of scary and crazy. None the less there is little stopping a Heavy, Logi, Sentinel, Assault, Medium, Light, Scout from equipping the MD itself. This sand boxing is however is what is happening in the current build. Some assault player asked what-if he could use the Logi-suit to make the 'Ultimate' Soldier. The Logstics suits readily and quickly answered that question in every way possible.

The issue is that most of the 'killer bees' are using Duvolle Tactical Rifles, which are nice to see back on the field in terms of use I fear a nerf bat may be heading its way as well (again, sigh.) I rather not nerf guns, nerf suits, or buff assaults to really make the heavy based and light based suits felt really left out entirely.

It be easier to move the mass driver as a side arm instead at this rate though.

I'm not saying logi has to use the MD, but they should be allowed to have that option. It just happens to fit well with a support class because it's an effective support weapon. I never got more than 6~7kills in an ambush with it, but it made a difference with my squad in how we used it. Just being able to scare the hell out of people and pin them down so heavies and scouts can get close enough to bust some heads or herding people away so we can raise a downed ally made it a valuable asset. I rarely topped the leaderboards, but I was always the team MVP. You can get more direct hits and kills with it, but you might as well use a TAR at this point and save the headache of the broken grenade physics.

Don't get me wrong though, I like that you're proposing solutions to things and I liked your perquisites for the suits. But the logi = sidearm only thing rubbed me the wrong way. There's other options out there, just save the sidearm restriction as a final solution if people can't come up with something reasonable.

(If they do, I wouldn't mind if only logis could use MD as a sidearm)

Overall no my experience with the MD is worse. However I am far more effective in kills and scaring people off with it in Uprising its not the best weapon due to several bugs associated with it most notable the explosions that deal 0 damage to direct hits, and the shot and smoke trails not matching.

As for the Logi-suits MUST have MDs is a very poor argument and it is a narrow minded consideration to the fact a sandbox exists. To extrapolate you are supposed to be able to explore the use of any light weapon and any suit with a light weapon slot can explore the use with mass drivers. Some of the scariest MD users from last build where not Logi-suits but scout suits that use them for CQC weapons in Chomosome but that is my personal opinion of scary and crazy. None the less there is little stopping a Heavy, Logi, Sentinel, Assault, Medium, Light, Scout from equipping the MD itself. This sand boxing is however is what is happening in the current build. Some assault player asked what-if he could use the Logi-suit to make the 'Ultimate' Soldier. The Logstics suits readily and quickly answered that question in every way possible.

The issue is that most of the 'killer bees' are using Duvolle Tactical Rifles, which are nice to see back on the field in terms of use I fear a nerf bat may be heading its way as well (again, sigh.) I rather not nerf guns, nerf suits, or buff assaults to really make the heavy based and light based suits felt really left out entirely.

It be easier to move the mass driver as a side arm instead at this rate though.

Wrote a much longer post in another thread, I'll try to condense it here since I don't feel like looking for the thread to copy and paste.

How about instead of nerfing things to hell we do a switchy with the racial bonuses?
New Bonuses
Caldari Logi=5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level
Caldari Assault=5% bonus to shield extender per level
Amarr Logi=5% bonus to repair tool rep rate per level
Overall Assault Bonus=2%/3% bonus to hand-held weapon damage per level
Overall Heavy bonus=2%/3% hand-held damage received reduction per level
Overall Logi bonus= -5% equipment PG/CPU usage per level
Gallente Logi= +5% revived health with a nanite injector per level

This is all off the top of my head, but you get where I'm going. The bonuses need to line up with the class, night now all racial bonuses seem to be arbitrary and there is an imbalance due to it.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Like the idea, don't like Gallenre's bonus though...

Get out of here with that crap. Scouts were completely outclassed by Assaults without the Shotgun in the last build. The MD was the most vulnerable, most inconsistent weapon in Chrome. It was no where near dominant, you were lucky to see 2 MD users in a match. Sure you could have equipped a MD on a Heavy, Scout, or Assault, but you're not getting the most out of what you're suppose to be doing. A heavy could equip Kova Knives, but that doesn't mean it should be using it.

It's not the fault of the Logi that Assaults are using our suit. This could easily be changed by making the radical skills on every other suit worth skilling into.

Caldari logis (me) will die very fast to SRs. Wait for it arrive you'll see. Plus they're super slow I prefer the basic/assault suit for offense.

Caldari logis (me) will die very fast to SRs. Wait for it arrive you'll see. Plus they're super slow I prefer the basic/assault suit for offense.

RIP scout suits...
I cant believe CCP even nerfed them...

''Like I said based on personal experience, logi and assaults with MD where fairly common back in Chromosome and it was considerably normal regarding their use. Rounding a corner and seeing a scout bull rushing you trying to head-shot you with the MD was extremely unusual, odd, and unexpectedly scary at that one moment.''

AND THE MASS DRIVER, i miss running around shooting that thing.... u.u

RIP scout suits...
I cant believe CCP even nerfed them...

''Like I said based on personal experience, logi and assaults with MD where fairly common back in Chromosome and it was considerably normal regarding their use. Rounding a corner and seeing a scout bull rushing you trying to head-shot you with the MD was extremely unusual, odd, and unexpectedly scary at that one moment.''

AND THE MASS DRIVER, i miss running around shooting that thing.... u.u

Yeah man, I miss those days even if they were frustrating. Remember that time we were in skim junction and you charged me as I was going to point A? We exchanged shots and killed each other at the same time. I got a damn kill assist off of that lol.

Hey IWS, I have a proposal if we do get restricted to sidearms. I want tackling, target painting, jamming, noseferatu and other EWAR stuff to be for logibros. If we get that, and WP for doing debuffs, I'll gladly give up my MD, with or without dual wield.

I feel the need to comment here.

Logi's don't have too many modules, we don't have too much CPU/PG, we don't have too much of anything, it's just that everyone else has too little of everything. Stop with the goddamn nerfs and start with the buffs. This game gets slower and slower gameplay with every nerf, how about we change some of the racial bonuses around to begin with.

Caldari Assault Dropsuit SHOULD have the 5% bonus the shield extenders per level.
Caldari Logistics Dropsuit SHOULD have a 5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level.(the logistics racial bonuses should actually apply to being logistics.)
While we're at it, give the Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit a 3% small-arms gunfire damage reduction per level.
Minmatar and Gallente logi bonuses actually apply to being logistics so they can stay, the Amarr Logistics Dropsuit SHOULD give a 5% bonus to stamina and stamina regen per level, to keep pace with other units since their base speeds are the lowest.

The general Assault Dropsuit bonus should be changed from +3% shield regen to +2% hand-held weapon damage per level, to support the fact that they should be killing people. Electronics and Engineering SP costs need to be lowered so that non-logi's can have the CPU and PG to equip what they need to. You can do all of this without nerfing the logistics class and handicapping the only class that has been free from this idiotic nerf-spree CCP has been set on.

^ Aye this purposal is having alt of that ahead of time in thought of all future equipment which is why the carbines and tech 3 guns (where you can toy a smg into a tactical rifle) where considered.

For years, we have been the unsung heroes of the battlefield. We raise our assaults, resupply, our heavies, give war points commissions to our squad leaders. Many of us put our KDR on the line for such a thankless job. Today, we get our thanks... with a suggested NERF!



Many of you have seen the influx of gold on the battlefield. These... pretenders to the hippocratic oath. Wolves in medical armor, swarming their enemies like a hive of killer bees. They reap their rewards as their allies are left bleeding on the ground. This is a travesty to our class! They already took away our heavy guardians, they nerfed our support weapon. Now they want to take away our entire combat capabilities in exchange for dual wielding sidearms! Dual wield? feh! I spit in general direction of dual-wield. Brothers and sisters of the biomass, children of the nanite, we must not let our discontent go ignored. Spread the word to enemy and ally alike! This travesty must not happen!

TL;DR
CCP is proposing a nerf the entire logistic class because the caldari logi is being used like an Assault+1 because the actual assault suit bonuses suck right now. If you care about your ability to use light weapons, tell every real dedicated logibro you know. We have to voice our discontent before it's too late.

We need an arms race. Not a nerf war!

Wrote a much longer post in another thread, I'll try to condense it here since I don't feel like looking for the thread to copy and paste.

How about instead of nerfing things to hell we do a switchy with the racial bonuses?
New Bonuses
Caldari Logi=5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level
Caldari Assault=5% bonus to shield extender per level
Amarr Logi=5% bonus to repair tool rep rate per level
Overall Assault Bonus=2%/3% bonus to hand-held weapon damage per level
Overall Heavy bonus=2%/3% hand-held damage received reduction per level
Overall Logi bonus= -5% equipment PG/CPU usage per level
Gallente Logi= +5% revived health with a nanite injector per level

This is all off the top of my head, but you get where I'm going. The bonuses need to line up with the class, night now all racial bonuses seem to be arbitrary and there is an imbalance due to it.

All they need to do is reduce the stats by a little for the caldari logi . Like reduce the armor and or something. CCP cant help that caldari are shield based.

Another problem is that shield tanking has no drawback compared to armor. Armor gets a movement penalty (which should be a stamina penalty for armor tanked scouts) but shields don't get anything. They should get a larger radius for how high their shields are and a larger hit box that reverts back the their suit class size when fully depleted. Everyone keeps favoring shields, because there really isn't a drawback.
And before anyone suggests Scrambler Rifles, almost 90% of our community are using Plasma Blasters, how many of them do you really think have enough SP to even consider or even care enough to spec into the Scrambler Rifles?

Can we get a Dev in on this? There's a ton of ideas being spread around that are more effective than the nerf war we've been having for the past 2 years.

I think making caldari assaults carry the extender buff instead will just make them walking shield tanks but very nice idea and much much more appreciated compared to the only sidearms solution

I still think though that the caldari logi even with the extender buff removed is still a bit out of it's "zone". Make it have 5 highs and 3 lows and 3 equipment slots. It doesn't need that many lows because it's already "fast" as it shouldn't be putting any major armor mods on and maybe that low can then in some way be given to the amarr logi who is also out of it's "zone" but that's more because of lacking slots.

I would really like too see gall logis keep their +1 passive armor rep as it suddenly feels like armor tanking is viable. Often the logi finds himself left to self repairing. Caldari logis can pop into cover and pretty quickly regain the majority of their tank while armor is still kind of a struggle.
Ohh and refiddling with assaults is definitely needed as the overall bonus for assaults is not helping gall assault at all

This fraking argument is getting to the point of redonkulous. You find me a Medic in any armed forces who would deploy to the hotzone without a proper rifle and then you can have my friggin AR.

Better yet...if you don't want me to carry a Light Weapon then how about no other class can carry equipment. Wait what's that? How will you rez your buddy? What if you run out of ammo? Well I guess you just have to wait for me to come bee-bopping along to get it for you. Ohhhhh wait...too bad...I just got killed by that Militia Assault N00b with his badass Militia Assault Rifle. I would have shot him but you know, my SMG just couldn't reach that far. Just sit tight and I will respawn and try and cross this open danger zone again. You will be alright...RIGHT?!

Yeah so we want to get real role specific. Well I guess we should not allow any other class to carry equipment, except the Logi. Of course the only class that can carry a Sniper Rifle is the Scout. And of course Heavies can only carry a Forge Gun or HMG...no Light Weapons for you either pal. Doesn't that all just sound like a wicked good time.

Or maybe...just maybe this game is all about dealing with the potential of different situations. Maybe your particular fitting SHOULDN'T be designed to take down every Merc you meet in a dark alley. Sometimes, just sometimes, you will be bested because your suit does not stand up well against every weapon in the game...or your weapon doesn't do well against those particular defensive loadouts. That is life...and war. So quit your frakin' whining about these mythical Logi/Assault/Super Mercs...move out and draw fire.

You never handled a scrambler rifle before.

Once upon a time when professional armies fought each other, Combat medics where clearly designated and marked and where not to be shot as they where non-combative and shooting one on purpose was a war crime, however if they pick up a weapon they lose all protections.

However in these days, when fighting against illegal combatants (thus not subject to prisoner of war rules and are in violation of the Geneva convention entirely and are supposed to do 90 days in jail and 90,000 USD fine ) they just basically say screw the Geneva convention and shoot everyone equally. So these days most soldiers and medics are distinguishable outside the fact medics are trained in field wound treatment. Overall that is their primary training weapon wield is secondary on their list of skills. The medics are very reliant on the soldiers they're helping to protect them and to help direct their combat ability during fights if nobody is injured yet. Yes they are armed these days but I am quite sure if a rifle man and a medic where to have shooting contest most medics would lose.

Average load out of a US soldier is about 90 lbs in equipment. Majority of that equipment is considered 'bare minimum' and really doesnt make one soldier any better than the specialist soldiers such as EOD, Comms and various other setups.

Medics are not snipers, they're not riflemen, they're not explosive disposal, they are defiantly not marines.

With a combat unit, they function as a member of an infantry platoon up until the point that one of their comrades is wounded. Therefore, the Medic carries basically what a Rifleman or any other soldier carries. His Basic Equipment is usually:

An M4 rifle and in some units an M9 pistol.
A MOLLE Vest with a full "combat load," being (most often) 210 rounds for the M-4/M-16 rifle.
An IBA or Interceptor Body Armor, now being phased out in favor for the newer IOTV;
The Army Combat Uniform;
An ACH, or Advanced Combat Helmet.

It's zone is a shield-tanking logi with a lot of slots. Logis have always had more slots than assaults. Caldari has the same number of High + Low + Equipment as Gallente and Minmatar.... they all have 12.

Two things:

Logistics aren't just medics, they're meant to be flexible and perform other roles.

Two things:

Logistics aren't just medics, they're meant to be flexible and perform other roles.

Combat medics neither wear the geneva convention armband nor go unarmed now. That means yellow suits are asinine (as if we needed to spell out that giving the enemy color-coded intelligence for their convenience was a bad idea). Combat medics now often carry a field rifle and/or a sidearm.

Reference is here:



So, logistics aren't just medics, but medics are fully armed now anyway.

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

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That makes me feel better in some ways lol. Since we're on the topic of the new weapons, are you able to disclose why we have to wait until the 14th to get them?

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

Second problem is, even with the absence of a meta game other suits can easily be buffed to compensate. Like everyone said, the assaults are crap, heavy got nerfed, and the scout supposedly got nerfed too. Those are 3 classes right there that could easily be buffed and last time I checked each one was supposed to bring something different to the table and can easily be counters to each other without one being considered OP if they're adjusted properly in that perfect imbalance.

I dont understand the complaints about logis you have flux nades that can do 1800 damage to shields you can drop atleast 2-3 logis shields with that and just mow them down. You could also use a laser rifile or hmg get up close with a decent submachine gun theyre not OP you just skilled into the wrong gear to handle a shield tanking logi. Flux nade then shotgun its thats simple in the video posted the logi only had 99 armor pop his shield then take him down. Also there were some notes about having multiple grande types so i dont see the problem.

Before I make this statement let me make it clear that logi was my first class I picked when I picked up Dust and I stuck with it for this build.

With the light weapon dilemma, keep in mind all assault players use their sidearm for is to quick swap when someone is almost dead and they have to reload. It doesn't get used all that frequently. So that said, the current Logi gets the light weapon slot, the most equipment slots, the most module slots, and the most CPU/PG. It is basically the god suit. Yeah, I can understand why a lot of current logi's would be hesitant to give that up, but it is so obviously too darn much.

but this isnt true most assualt players barely use sidearms its just a desperate move when u need to reload. which is slower in uprising for whatever reason. All the logi has is shield maybe people just need to work on other skillsrather than just thinking i have a proto ar i should be able to kill anyone call of duty attitude and play thier suits to its strengthens

Isn't that what I said?

The sidearm has very little value, but according to all of you who think the logi's are fine right now the lose of a sidearm is a fair trade to get max equipment and nearly max high/low slots. And then there will be the people who say, "Don't nerf the logi, buff the assault!" What exactly could you do to the assault to make it better at assault than a logi, logi already has everything!

Isn't that what I said?

The sidearm has very little value, but according to all of you who think the logi's are fine right now the lose of a sidearm is a fair trade to get max equipment and nearly max high/low slots. And then there will be the people who say, "Don't nerf the logi, buff the assault!" What exactly could you do to the assault to make it better at assault than a logi, logi already has everything!

sorry for misquoting you but maybe an assualt suit isnt the answer to a logi it really depends on the players skill lvl i know a scout with flux nades and a shotty would crush a logi just like im gonna make the assumption that a amarr assualt can take down a shield logi flux nades laser rifle and a submachine gun or shotgun.

anoher suit that could drop a logi minmatar assualt 5 high slots 2 low shield recharge and side weapon bonus two cpu modules will let you shield tank and you get a light weapon with a side arm. this with a complex cpu upgrade of 35% plus the suits base cpu of 320 not counting your passive cpu boost from skills sounds like a nice shield tank setup with 135 stock armor vs 90 stock armor of a shield logi

I just want them to Fix my equipment =( Idk what ccp was thinking when they decided to mess with it... Just leave the damn thing be

Once upon a time when professional armies fought each other, Combat medics where clearly designated and marked and where not to be shot as they where non-combative and shooting one on purpose was a war crime, however if they pick up a weapon they lose all protections.

However in these days, when fighting against illegal combatants (thus not subject to prisoner of war rules and are in violation of the Geneva convention entirely and are supposed to do 90 days in jail and 90,000 USD fine ) they just basically say screw the Geneva convention and shoot everyone equally. So these days most soldiers and medics are distinguishable outside the fact medics are trained in field wound treatment. Overall that is their primary training weapon wield is secondary on their list of skills. The medics are very reliant on the soldiers they're helping to protect them and to help direct their combat ability during fights if nobody is injured yet. Yes they are armed these days but I am quite sure if a rifle man and a medic where to have shooting contest most medics would lose.

Average load out of a US soldier is about 90 lbs in equipment. Majority of that equipment is considered 'bare minimum' and really doesnt make one soldier any better than the specialist soldiers such as EOD, Comms and various other setups.

Medics are not snipers, they're not riflemen, they're not explosive disposal, they are defiantly not marines.

And before you ask. I was thinking about removing equipment slots on assaults entirely for exchange for their second grenade but in the light of current nano-hive behavior at various levels I decided very strongly against it.

I know they're not just medics, but the suit is being picked up for all the wrong reasons these days and I am trying curb that expectancy but would like to retain flexibility, which is why I seriously think the path of easiest nerf (reduced fittings) is the worst idea ever.

In chromosome I had several logi builds, I had a demolitions, engineer, medic, suppressor, Light Infantry, EOD/Hack, Road Blockaid, and had active scans been working, recon. While I am not to that point yet (and wont be until some time after I cap Core Upgrades, Armor, and Shields for infantry)

I seriously do not want to see the flexibility removed at all and I don't want to completely defang them hence the urging of needing carbines to be on par in range at least for second best rifle group and carbines can be done now easily using the same models of the current rifles and making 'side arm' variants, just that the carbine would be considered a side arm at that point with side arm reduced stats (lower magazine)

The amount of possesive I's your paragraph has is frightening. Just remember who you speak for.

Pretty sure on that post IronWolf made it states in paragraph one that the thread was made as him being a player who happens to be CPM, so relax. He's been wanting to dual wield those pistols for some time.

Then do another type of logi suit that can forget light weapon and wield dual sidearms, I think thats much better option isnt... but oh my god how would anyone thought about totally removing light weapon from logi.. WTH, serious? Dont know if I would still continue to play after that, would struck me hard.

As I've said in every other logi thread (although I think this was one of the first,) the issue is not really logis being OP, its assualts and heavys being UP (although the dmg increase helped.)

Firstly, give the assualts and sentinals something useful. 2% dmg increase to light/heavy weapons (take the 10% bonus you gave us if necessary.)

If that'd not enough, switch the logistics role bonus to be reduced pg/cpu cost for equipment, then lower the overall pg/cpu of logistics suits, reducing the amount of complex mods in the high/low slots. Give caldari a shield recharge racial bonus, gallente now gets a armor rep bonus (just like the logi role bonus now,) and amarr/mini keep their racial bonuses.

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I just find it amazing that nobody else has brought up any other of the suit changes in the idea, considering the vague stats. 100% of the idea can be considered a suit nerf because there is no context to what any of the bonuses are, what are the fitting slots, fitting stats, just generalized goals for the suits and sizes and reduction of overall number of suits.

I just find it amazing that nobody else has brought up any other of the suit changes in the idea, considering the vague stats. 100% of the idea can be considered a suit nerf because there is no context to what any of the bonuses are, what are the fitting slots, fitting stats, just generalized goals for the suits and sizes and reduction of overall number of suits.

When people see something the deem as OP, they cry nerf. It's an unfortunate part of human nature.

Since we're in a logistics topic, any word on the Mass Driver? A lot of people have been voicing their discontent, not just with the damage and splash radius but the arcing trajectory from Chrome being changed to a straighter shot, less damage and tighter splash. A lot of us have been discussing it across the forums and were wondering if the devs were up to giving back some of the blast radius and the old arc trajectory for balance. Damage is a lot better since the 10% increase though, but the AR probably didn't need it out of all the weapons lol.

As I've said in every other logi thread (although I think this was one of the first,) the issue is not really logis being OP, its assualts and heavys being UP (although the dmg increase helped.)

Firstly, give the assualts and sentinals something useful. 2% dmg increase to light/heavy weapons (take the 10% bonus you gave us if necessary.)

If that'd not enough, switch the logistics role bonus to be reduced pg/cpu cost for equipment, then lower the overall pg/cpu of logistics suits, reducing the amount of complex mods in the high/low slots. Give caldari a shield recharge racial bonus, gallente now gets a armor rep bonus (just like the logi role bonus now,) and amarr/mini keep their racial bonuses.

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I must be doing something wrong because I am sucking as a logi this build. I only play medic in games. My SP didn't give me what I had last build. It is hard to pick people up and repairing is quick but I am getting killed too fast to repair. My exile also doesn't do crap. I am trying to earn a logi suit for 3 slots to get my proto repair gun, nanohive and injector.

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This is actually one of the dumbest threads on the forums to date.

Logis do not need to be nerfed one bit, but everyone thinks we are supposed to be their butlers on the battlefield. It's honestly pretty Damn insulting.

What about my Amarr logi suit? If Logis are "support only" and blessed to be given any weapon at all, then what happens to the suit that was designed to be a more assault oriented logi suit?