I dont understand the complaints about logis you have flux nades that can do 1800 damage to shields you can drop atleast 2-3 logis shields with that and just mow them down. You could also use a laser rifile or hmg get up close with a decent submachine gun theyre not OP you just skilled into the wrong gear to handle a shield tanking logi. Flux nade then shotgun its thats simple in the video posted the logi only had 99 armor pop his shield then take him down. Also there were some notes about having multiple grande types so i dont see the problem.

Before I make this statement let me make it clear that logi was my first class I picked when I picked up Dust and I stuck with it for this build.

With the light weapon dilemma, keep in mind all assault players use their sidearm for is to quick swap when someone is almost dead and they have to reload. It doesn't get used all that frequently. So that said, the current Logi gets the light weapon slot, the most equipment slots, the most module slots, and the most CPU/PG. It is basically the god suit. Yeah, I can understand why a lot of current logi's would be hesitant to give that up, but it is so obviously too darn much.

but this isnt true most assualt players barely use sidearms its just a desperate move when u need to reload. which is slower in uprising for whatever reason. All the logi has is shield maybe people just need to work on other skillsrather than just thinking i have a proto ar i should be able to kill anyone call of duty attitude and play thier suits to its strengthens

Isn't that what I said?

The sidearm has very little value, but according to all of you who think the logi's are fine right now the lose of a sidearm is a fair trade to get max equipment and nearly max high/low slots. And then there will be the people who say, "Don't nerf the logi, buff the assault!" What exactly could you do to the assault to make it better at assault than a logi, logi already has everything!

Isn't that what I said?

The sidearm has very little value, but according to all of you who think the logi's are fine right now the lose of a sidearm is a fair trade to get max equipment and nearly max high/low slots. And then there will be the people who say, "Don't nerf the logi, buff the assault!" What exactly could you do to the assault to make it better at assault than a logi, logi already has everything!

sorry for misquoting you but maybe an assualt suit isnt the answer to a logi it really depends on the players skill lvl i know a scout with flux nades and a shotty would crush a logi just like im gonna make the assumption that a amarr assualt can take down a shield logi flux nades laser rifle and a submachine gun or shotgun.

anoher suit that could drop a logi minmatar assualt 5 high slots 2 low shield recharge and side weapon bonus two cpu modules will let you shield tank and you get a light weapon with a side arm. this with a complex cpu upgrade of 35% plus the suits base cpu of 320 not counting your passive cpu boost from skills sounds like a nice shield tank setup with 135 stock armor vs 90 stock armor of a shield logi

I just want them to Fix my equipment =( Idk what ccp was thinking when they decided to mess with it... Just leave the damn thing be

Once upon a time when professional armies fought each other, Combat medics where clearly designated and marked and where not to be shot as they where non-combative and shooting one on purpose was a war crime, however if they pick up a weapon they lose all protections.

However in these days, when fighting against illegal combatants (thus not subject to prisoner of war rules and are in violation of the Geneva convention entirely and are supposed to do 90 days in jail and 90,000 USD fine ) they just basically say screw the Geneva convention and shoot everyone equally. So these days most soldiers and medics are distinguishable outside the fact medics are trained in field wound treatment. Overall that is their primary training weapon wield is secondary on their list of skills. The medics are very reliant on the soldiers they're helping to protect them and to help direct their combat ability during fights if nobody is injured yet. Yes they are armed these days but I am quite sure if a rifle man and a medic where to have shooting contest most medics would lose.

Average load out of a US soldier is about 90 lbs in equipment. Majority of that equipment is considered 'bare minimum' and really doesnt make one soldier any better than the specialist soldiers such as EOD, Comms and various other setups.

Medics are not snipers, they're not riflemen, they're not explosive disposal, they are defiantly not marines.

And before you ask. I was thinking about removing equipment slots on assaults entirely for exchange for their second grenade but in the light of current nano-hive behavior at various levels I decided very strongly against it.

I know they're not just medics, but the suit is being picked up for all the wrong reasons these days and I am trying curb that expectancy but would like to retain flexibility, which is why I seriously think the path of easiest nerf (reduced fittings) is the worst idea ever.

In chromosome I had several logi builds, I had a demolitions, engineer, medic, suppressor, Light Infantry, EOD/Hack, Road Blockaid, and had active scans been working, recon. While I am not to that point yet (and wont be until some time after I cap Core Upgrades, Armor, and Shields for infantry)

I seriously do not want to see the flexibility removed at all and I don't want to completely defang them hence the urging of needing carbines to be on par in range at least for second best rifle group and carbines can be done now easily using the same models of the current rifles and making 'side arm' variants, just that the carbine would be considered a side arm at that point with side arm reduced stats (lower magazine)

The amount of possesive I's your paragraph has is frightening. Just remember who you speak for.

Pretty sure on that post IronWolf made it states in paragraph one that the thread was made as him being a player who happens to be CPM, so relax. He's been wanting to dual wield those pistols for some time.

Then do another type of logi suit that can forget light weapon and wield dual sidearms, I think thats much better option isnt... but oh my god how would anyone thought about totally removing light weapon from logi.. WTH, serious? Dont know if I would still continue to play after that, would struck me hard.

As I've said in every other logi thread (although I think this was one of the first,) the issue is not really logis being OP, its assualts and heavys being UP (although the dmg increase helped.)

Firstly, give the assualts and sentinals something useful. 2% dmg increase to light/heavy weapons (take the 10% bonus you gave us if necessary.)

If that'd not enough, switch the logistics role bonus to be reduced pg/cpu cost for equipment, then lower the overall pg/cpu of logistics suits, reducing the amount of complex mods in the high/low slots. Give caldari a shield recharge racial bonus, gallente now gets a armor rep bonus (just like the logi role bonus now,) and amarr/mini keep their racial bonuses.

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