Caldari logis (me) will die very fast to SRs. Wait for it arrive you'll see. Plus they're super slow I prefer the basic/assault suit for offense.

Caldari logis (me) will die very fast to SRs. Wait for it arrive you'll see. Plus they're super slow I prefer the basic/assault suit for offense.

RIP scout suits...
I cant believe CCP even nerfed them...

''Like I said based on personal experience, logi and assaults with MD where fairly common back in Chromosome and it was considerably normal regarding their use. Rounding a corner and seeing a scout bull rushing you trying to head-shot you with the MD was extremely unusual, odd, and unexpectedly scary at that one moment.''

AND THE MASS DRIVER, i miss running around shooting that thing.... u.u

RIP scout suits...
I cant believe CCP even nerfed them...

''Like I said based on personal experience, logi and assaults with MD where fairly common back in Chromosome and it was considerably normal regarding their use. Rounding a corner and seeing a scout bull rushing you trying to head-shot you with the MD was extremely unusual, odd, and unexpectedly scary at that one moment.''

AND THE MASS DRIVER, i miss running around shooting that thing.... u.u

Yeah man, I miss those days even if they were frustrating. Remember that time we were in skim junction and you charged me as I was going to point A? We exchanged shots and killed each other at the same time. I got a damn kill assist off of that lol.

Hey IWS, I have a proposal if we do get restricted to sidearms. I want tackling, target painting, jamming, noseferatu and other EWAR stuff to be for logibros. If we get that, and WP for doing debuffs, I'll gladly give up my MD, with or without dual wield.

I feel the need to comment here.

Logi's don't have too many modules, we don't have too much CPU/PG, we don't have too much of anything, it's just that everyone else has too little of everything. Stop with the goddamn nerfs and start with the buffs. This game gets slower and slower gameplay with every nerf, how about we change some of the racial bonuses around to begin with.

Caldari Assault Dropsuit SHOULD have the 5% bonus the shield extenders per level.
Caldari Logistics Dropsuit SHOULD have a 5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level.(the logistics racial bonuses should actually apply to being logistics.)
While we're at it, give the Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit a 3% small-arms gunfire damage reduction per level.
Minmatar and Gallente logi bonuses actually apply to being logistics so they can stay, the Amarr Logistics Dropsuit SHOULD give a 5% bonus to stamina and stamina regen per level, to keep pace with other units since their base speeds are the lowest.

The general Assault Dropsuit bonus should be changed from +3% shield regen to +2% hand-held weapon damage per level, to support the fact that they should be killing people. Electronics and Engineering SP costs need to be lowered so that non-logi's can have the CPU and PG to equip what they need to. You can do all of this without nerfing the logistics class and handicapping the only class that has been free from this idiotic nerf-spree CCP has been set on.

^ Aye this purposal is having alt of that ahead of time in thought of all future equipment which is why the carbines and tech 3 guns (where you can toy a smg into a tactical rifle) where considered.

For years, we have been the unsung heroes of the battlefield. We raise our assaults, resupply, our heavies, give war points commissions to our squad leaders. Many of us put our KDR on the line for such a thankless job. Today, we get our thanks... with a suggested NERF!



Many of you have seen the influx of gold on the battlefield. These... pretenders to the hippocratic oath. Wolves in medical armor, swarming their enemies like a hive of killer bees. They reap their rewards as their allies are left bleeding on the ground. This is a travesty to our class! They already took away our heavy guardians, they nerfed our support weapon. Now they want to take away our entire combat capabilities in exchange for dual wielding sidearms! Dual wield? feh! I spit in general direction of dual-wield. Brothers and sisters of the biomass, children of the nanite, we must not let our discontent go ignored. Spread the word to enemy and ally alike! This travesty must not happen!

TL;DR
CCP is proposing a nerf the entire logistic class because the caldari logi is being used like an Assault+1 because the actual assault suit bonuses suck right now. If you care about your ability to use light weapons, tell every real dedicated logibro you know. We have to voice our discontent before it's too late.

We need an arms race. Not a nerf war!

Wrote a much longer post in another thread, I'll try to condense it here since I don't feel like looking for the thread to copy and paste.

How about instead of nerfing things to hell we do a switchy with the racial bonuses?
New Bonuses
Caldari Logi=5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level
Caldari Assault=5% bonus to shield extender per level
Amarr Logi=5% bonus to repair tool rep rate per level
Overall Assault Bonus=2%/3% bonus to hand-held weapon damage per level
Overall Heavy bonus=2%/3% hand-held damage received reduction per level
Overall Logi bonus= -5% equipment PG/CPU usage per level
Gallente Logi= +5% revived health with a nanite injector per level

This is all off the top of my head, but you get where I'm going. The bonuses need to line up with the class, night now all racial bonuses seem to be arbitrary and there is an imbalance due to it.

All they need to do is reduce the stats by a little for the caldari logi . Like reduce the armor and or something. CCP cant help that caldari are shield based.

Another problem is that shield tanking has no drawback compared to armor. Armor gets a movement penalty (which should be a stamina penalty for armor tanked scouts) but shields don't get anything. They should get a larger radius for how high their shields are and a larger hit box that reverts back the their suit class size when fully depleted. Everyone keeps favoring shields, because there really isn't a drawback.
And before anyone suggests Scrambler Rifles, almost 90% of our community are using Plasma Blasters, how many of them do you really think have enough SP to even consider or even care enough to spec into the Scrambler Rifles?

Can we get a Dev in on this? There's a ton of ideas being spread around that are more effective than the nerf war we've been having for the past 2 years.

I think making caldari assaults carry the extender buff instead will just make them walking shield tanks but very nice idea and much much more appreciated compared to the only sidearms solution

I still think though that the caldari logi even with the extender buff removed is still a bit out of it's "zone". Make it have 5 highs and 3 lows and 3 equipment slots. It doesn't need that many lows because it's already "fast" as it shouldn't be putting any major armor mods on and maybe that low can then in some way be given to the amarr logi who is also out of it's "zone" but that's more because of lacking slots.

I would really like too see gall logis keep their +1 passive armor rep as it suddenly feels like armor tanking is viable. Often the logi finds himself left to self repairing. Caldari logis can pop into cover and pretty quickly regain the majority of their tank while armor is still kind of a struggle.
Ohh and refiddling with assaults is definitely needed as the overall bonus for assaults is not helping gall assault at all

This fraking argument is getting to the point of redonkulous. You find me a Medic in any armed forces who would deploy to the hotzone without a proper rifle and then you can have my friggin AR.

Better yet...if you don't want me to carry a Light Weapon then how about no other class can carry equipment. Wait what's that? How will you rez your buddy? What if you run out of ammo? Well I guess you just have to wait for me to come bee-bopping along to get it for you. Ohhhhh wait...too bad...I just got killed by that Militia Assault N00b with his badass Militia Assault Rifle. I would have shot him but you know, my SMG just couldn't reach that far. Just sit tight and I will respawn and try and cross this open danger zone again. You will be alright...RIGHT?!

Yeah so we want to get real role specific. Well I guess we should not allow any other class to carry equipment, except the Logi. Of course the only class that can carry a Sniper Rifle is the Scout. And of course Heavies can only carry a Forge Gun or HMG...no Light Weapons for you either pal. Doesn't that all just sound like a wicked good time.

Or maybe...just maybe this game is all about dealing with the potential of different situations. Maybe your particular fitting SHOULDN'T be designed to take down every Merc you meet in a dark alley. Sometimes, just sometimes, you will be bested because your suit does not stand up well against every weapon in the game...or your weapon doesn't do well against those particular defensive loadouts. That is life...and war. So quit your frakin' whining about these mythical Logi/Assault/Super Mercs...move out and draw fire.

You never handled a scrambler rifle before.

Once upon a time when professional armies fought each other, Combat medics where clearly designated and marked and where not to be shot as they where non-combative and shooting one on purpose was a war crime, however if they pick up a weapon they lose all protections.

However in these days, when fighting against illegal combatants (thus not subject to prisoner of war rules and are in violation of the Geneva convention entirely and are supposed to do 90 days in jail and 90,000 USD fine ) they just basically say screw the Geneva convention and shoot everyone equally. So these days most soldiers and medics are distinguishable outside the fact medics are trained in field wound treatment. Overall that is their primary training weapon wield is secondary on their list of skills. The medics are very reliant on the soldiers they're helping to protect them and to help direct their combat ability during fights if nobody is injured yet. Yes they are armed these days but I am quite sure if a rifle man and a medic where to have shooting contest most medics would lose.

Average load out of a US soldier is about 90 lbs in equipment. Majority of that equipment is considered 'bare minimum' and really doesnt make one soldier any better than the specialist soldiers such as EOD, Comms and various other setups.

Medics are not snipers, they're not riflemen, they're not explosive disposal, they are defiantly not marines.

With a combat unit, they function as a member of an infantry platoon up until the point that one of their comrades is wounded. Therefore, the Medic carries basically what a Rifleman or any other soldier carries. His Basic Equipment is usually:

An M4 rifle and in some units an M9 pistol.
A MOLLE Vest with a full "combat load," being (most often) 210 rounds for the M-4/M-16 rifle.
An IBA or Interceptor Body Armor, now being phased out in favor for the newer IOTV;
The Army Combat Uniform;
An ACH, or Advanced Combat Helmet.

It's zone is a shield-tanking logi with a lot of slots. Logis have always had more slots than assaults. Caldari has the same number of High + Low + Equipment as Gallente and Minmatar.... they all have 12.

Two things:

Logistics aren't just medics, they're meant to be flexible and perform other roles.

Two things:

Logistics aren't just medics, they're meant to be flexible and perform other roles.

Combat medics neither wear the geneva convention armband nor go unarmed now. That means yellow suits are asinine (as if we needed to spell out that giving the enemy color-coded intelligence for their convenience was a bad idea). Combat medics now often carry a field rifle and/or a sidearm.

Reference is here:



So, logistics aren't just medics, but medics are fully armed now anyway.

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

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That makes me feel better in some ways lol. Since we're on the topic of the new weapons, are you able to disclose why we have to wait until the 14th to get them?

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

Second problem is, even with the absence of a meta game other suits can easily be buffed to compensate. Like everyone said, the assaults are crap, heavy got nerfed, and the scout supposedly got nerfed too. Those are 3 classes right there that could easily be buffed and last time I checked each one was supposed to bring something different to the table and can easily be counters to each other without one being considered OP if they're adjusted properly in that perfect imbalance.