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+1 or +2 Equipment Slots, Total 3 to 4

REMOVE Light weapon slot, replace with two side arm slots.

Built in bonus for additional sidearm reserve

Built in bonus for side arm range.

Tech 1 bonuses

Racial Utility Bonus (Fitting, Hacking, Repair, Range of Equipment)

Racial Equipment Bonus ( Explosives, Scanners, Deploy-ables, Equipped)

(The need for better side arms is needed such as carbines)
(option for dual wielding one hand side arms should be made as well)

Geeze, what part of suggested don't you guys understand? Did I take it too far with the sermon?

Let me clarify some things here. I use the Minmatar Logi and it's fine as is. Not sure about the Gallente and Amarr, but the Caldari is the problem with the crazy slot allocation and the Assaults are kind of gimped. Whatever the case, one suit class shouldn't be punished because one racial suit is a bit imbalanced. Plus, I like having a light weapon because I use the mass driver in a full support role. Losing that in exchange for dual wield isn't going to help because people will find a way to make it work. Everything in this game is getting nerfed left and right, the logis finally get a needed buff and now it's our turn?
Caldari logi is the issue, not the whole class.

I have seen other logi-suits on the field breaking everything in sight, the only one lacking presence is the Amarr Logi.

Just Nerfing the Caldari Logi suit would only shift players into using the Gallente Logi suit which has a stupid amount of armor repair. By going down the list it may finally get to the Amarr Logi Suit that we may see a real assault suit take the lead instead.

On the flip side I do not think that giving the Assault Suit a second equipment slot is the solution either as it could make them far too independent.

This is absolute bullshit, I live with the Logi MD, die with the Logi MD. It's a SUPPORT weapon, and Logis can't use it now because of people QQing?

Same reason why I don't want to be restricted to sidearms. Not having one in exchange for equipment slots is a much better tradeoff than not being able to use the only support weapon in the game as a support class.

Speaking of mass drivers, have you had any luck with it after the ninja nerf? It's easier to get kills with it and all, but I can't herd people or pin them down at choke points like I used to.

Same reason why I don't want to be restricted to sidearms. Not having one in exchange for equipment slots is a much better tradeoff than not being able to use the only support weapon in the game as a support class.

Speaking of mass drivers, have you had any luck with it after the ninja nerf? It's easier to get kills with it and all, but I can't herd people or pin them down at choke points like I used to.

You can't area deny with any version of the MD anymore, and that was the main reason to use it to begin with. Shots that would hit the enemy in the previous build, dont. Forget trying to scare anyone with the Assault with a pathetic 55 max damage per shot on 400-500 shielded enemies, especially with the spread and range nerf. Freedom = 1 vs 1 only, and Breach took a big damage nerf so it's terrible. I don't have a problem with nerfing the MD, everything was pretty much nerfed for Uprising(except for the AR of course), but 20% damage decrease with a 30% spread decrease is way too much.

A 10% decrease in damage with a 15-20% spread reduction would have been much more reasonable.

Well, instead of nerfing its combat capabilities, why not adjust the fitting capabilities? Lower the PG/CPU on all the logi suits but give them a bonus reduction to fitting all equipment. That could even things out. But the assault suits do need a bit of a buff. If I was an assault, I'd probably switch to logi. You can tell Remnant had a hand in this lol.

Overall no my experience with the MD is worse. However I am far more effective in kills and scaring people off with it in Uprising its not the best weapon due to several bugs associated with it most notable the explosions that deal 0 damage to direct hits, and the shot and smoke trails not matching.

As for the Logi-suits MUST have MDs is a very poor argument and it is a narrow minded consideration to the fact a sandbox exists. To extrapolate you are supposed to be able to explore the use of any light weapon and any suit with a light weapon slot can explore the use with mass drivers. Some of the scariest MD users from last build where not Logi-suits but scout suits that use them for CQC weapons in Chomosome but that is my personal opinion of scary and crazy. None the less there is little stopping a Heavy, Logi, Sentinel, Assault, Medium, Light, Scout from equipping the MD itself. This sand boxing is however is what is happening in the current build. Some assault player asked what-if he could use the Logi-suit to make the 'Ultimate' Soldier. The Logstics suits readily and quickly answered that question in every way possible.

The issue is that most of the 'killer bees' are using Duvolle Tactical Rifles, which are nice to see back on the field in terms of use I fear a nerf bat may be heading its way as well (again, sigh.) I rather not nerf guns, nerf suits, or buff assaults to really make the heavy based and light based suits felt really left out entirely.

It be easier to move the mass driver as a side arm instead at this rate though.

I'm not saying logi has to use the MD, but they should be allowed to have that option. It just happens to fit well with a support class because it's an effective support weapon. I never got more than 6~7kills in an ambush with it, but it made a difference with my squad in how we used it. Just being able to scare the hell out of people and pin them down so heavies and scouts can get close enough to bust some heads or herding people away so we can raise a downed ally made it a valuable asset. I rarely topped the leaderboards, but I was always the team MVP. You can get more direct hits and kills with it, but you might as well use a TAR at this point and save the headache of the broken grenade physics.

Don't get me wrong though, I like that you're proposing solutions to things and I liked your perquisites for the suits. But the logi = sidearm only thing rubbed me the wrong way. There's other options out there, just save the sidearm restriction as a final solution if people can't come up with something reasonable.

(If they do, I wouldn't mind if only logis could use MD as a sidearm)

Overall no my experience with the MD is worse. However I am far more effective in kills and scaring people off with it in Uprising its not the best weapon due to several bugs associated with it most notable the explosions that deal 0 damage to direct hits, and the shot and smoke trails not matching.

As for the Logi-suits MUST have MDs is a very poor argument and it is a narrow minded consideration to the fact a sandbox exists. To extrapolate you are supposed to be able to explore the use of any light weapon and any suit with a light weapon slot can explore the use with mass drivers. Some of the scariest MD users from last build where not Logi-suits but scout suits that use them for CQC weapons in Chomosome but that is my personal opinion of scary and crazy. None the less there is little stopping a Heavy, Logi, Sentinel, Assault, Medium, Light, Scout from equipping the MD itself. This sand boxing is however is what is happening in the current build. Some assault player asked what-if he could use the Logi-suit to make the 'Ultimate' Soldier. The Logstics suits readily and quickly answered that question in every way possible.

The issue is that most of the 'killer bees' are using Duvolle Tactical Rifles, which are nice to see back on the field in terms of use I fear a nerf bat may be heading its way as well (again, sigh.) I rather not nerf guns, nerf suits, or buff assaults to really make the heavy based and light based suits felt really left out entirely.

It be easier to move the mass driver as a side arm instead at this rate though.

Wrote a much longer post in another thread, I'll try to condense it here since I don't feel like looking for the thread to copy and paste.

How about instead of nerfing things to hell we do a switchy with the racial bonuses?
New Bonuses
Caldari Logi=5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level
Caldari Assault=5% bonus to shield extender per level
Amarr Logi=5% bonus to repair tool rep rate per level
Overall Assault Bonus=2%/3% bonus to hand-held weapon damage per level
Overall Heavy bonus=2%/3% hand-held damage received reduction per level
Overall Logi bonus= -5% equipment PG/CPU usage per level
Gallente Logi= +5% revived health with a nanite injector per level

This is all off the top of my head, but you get where I'm going. The bonuses need to line up with the class, night now all racial bonuses seem to be arbitrary and there is an imbalance due to it.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Please note that even though I am a CPM member does not mean that isa promise or even a consideration for CCP as just as much as any one else's ideas on the forums.

Like the idea, don't like Gallenre's bonus though...

Get out of here with that crap. Scouts were completely outclassed by Assaults without the Shotgun in the last build. The MD was the most vulnerable, most inconsistent weapon in Chrome. It was no where near dominant, you were lucky to see 2 MD users in a match. Sure you could have equipped a MD on a Heavy, Scout, or Assault, but you're not getting the most out of what you're suppose to be doing. A heavy could equip Kova Knives, but that doesn't mean it should be using it.

It's not the fault of the Logi that Assaults are using our suit. This could easily be changed by making the radical skills on every other suit worth skilling into.