Geeze, what part of suggested don't you guys understand? Did I take it too far with the sermon?

Let me clarify some things here. I use the Minmatar Logi and it's fine as is. Not sure about the Gallente and Amarr, but the Caldari is the problem with the crazy slot allocation and the Assaults are kind of gimped. Whatever the case, one suit class shouldn't be punished because one racial suit is a bit imbalanced. Plus, I like having a light weapon because I use the mass driver in a full support role. Losing that in exchange for dual wield isn't going to help because people will find a way to make it work. Everything in this game is getting nerfed left and right, the logis finally get a needed buff and now it's our turn?
Caldari logi is the issue, not the whole class.

Same reason why I don't want to be restricted to sidearms. Not having one in exchange for equipment slots is a much better tradeoff than not being able to use the only support weapon in the game as a support class.

Speaking of mass drivers, have you had any luck with it after the ninja nerf? It's easier to get kills with it and all, but I can't herd people or pin them down at choke points like I used to.

Well, instead of nerfing its combat capabilities, why not adjust the fitting capabilities? Lower the PG/CPU on all the logi suits but give them a bonus reduction to fitting all equipment. That could even things out. But the assault suits do need a bit of a buff. If I was an assault, I'd probably switch to logi. You can tell Remnant had a hand in this lol.

I'm not saying logi has to use the MD, but they should be allowed to have that option. It just happens to fit well with a support class because it's an effective support weapon. I never got more than 6~7kills in an ambush with it, but it made a difference with my squad in how we used it. Just being able to scare the hell out of people and pin them down so heavies and scouts can get close enough to bust some heads or herding people away so we can raise a downed ally made it a valuable asset. I rarely topped the leaderboards, but I was always the team MVP. You can get more direct hits and kills with it, but you might as well use a TAR at this point and save the headache of the broken grenade physics.

Don't get me wrong though, I like that you're proposing solutions to things and I liked your perquisites for the suits. But the logi = sidearm only thing rubbed me the wrong way. There's other options out there, just save the sidearm restriction as a final solution if people can't come up with something reasonable.

(If they do, I wouldn't mind if only logis could use MD as a sidearm)

Get out of here with that crap. Scouts were completely outclassed by Assaults without the Shotgun in the last build. The MD was the most vulnerable, most inconsistent weapon in Chrome. It was no where near dominant, you were lucky to see 2 MD users in a match. Sure you could have equipped a MD on a Heavy, Scout, or Assault, but you're not getting the most out of what you're suppose to be doing. A heavy could equip Kova Knives, but that doesn't mean it should be using it.

It's not the fault of the Logi that Assaults are using our suit. This could easily be changed by making the radical skills on every other suit worth skilling into.

Caldari logis (me) will die very fast to SRs. Wait for it arrive you'll see. Plus they're super slow I prefer the basic/assault suit for offense.

RIP scout suits...
I cant believe CCP even nerfed them...

''Like I said based on personal experience, logi and assaults with MD where fairly common back in Chromosome and it was considerably normal regarding their use. Rounding a corner and seeing a scout bull rushing you trying to head-shot you with the MD was extremely unusual, odd, and unexpectedly scary at that one moment.''

AND THE MASS DRIVER, i miss running around shooting that thing.... u.u

Yeah man, I miss those days even if they were frustrating. Remember that time we were in skim junction and you charged me as I was going to point A? We exchanged shots and killed each other at the same time. I got a damn kill assist off of that lol.

Hey IWS, I have a proposal if we do get restricted to sidearms. I want tackling, target painting, jamming, noseferatu and other EWAR stuff to be for logibros. If we get that, and WP for doing debuffs, I'll gladly give up my MD, with or without dual wield.

All they need to do is reduce the stats by a little for the caldari logi . Like reduce the armor and or something. CCP cant help that caldari are shield based.

Another problem is that shield tanking has no drawback compared to armor. Armor gets a movement penalty (which should be a stamina penalty for armor tanked scouts) but shields don't get anything. They should get a larger radius for how high their shields are and a larger hit box that reverts back the their suit class size when fully depleted. Everyone keeps favoring shields, because there really isn't a drawback.
And before anyone suggests Scrambler Rifles, almost 90% of our community are using Plasma Blasters, how many of them do you really think have enough SP to even consider or even care enough to spec into the Scrambler Rifles?

Can we get a Dev in on this? There's a ton of ideas being spread around that are more effective than the nerf war we've been having for the past 2 years.

This fraking argument is getting to the point of redonkulous. You find me a Medic in any armed forces who would deploy to the hotzone without a proper rifle and then you can have my friggin AR.

Better yet...if you don't want me to carry a Light Weapon then how about no other class can carry equipment. Wait what's that? How will you rez your buddy? What if you run out of ammo? Well I guess you just have to wait for me to come bee-bopping along to get it for you. Ohhhhh wait...too bad...I just got killed by that Militia Assault N00b with his badass Militia Assault Rifle. I would have shot him but you know, my SMG just couldn't reach that far. Just sit tight and I will respawn and try and cross this open danger zone again. You will be alright...RIGHT?!

Yeah so we want to get real role specific. Well I guess we should not allow any other class to carry equipment, except the Logi. Of course the only class that can carry a Sniper Rifle is the Scout. And of course Heavies can only carry a Forge Gun or HMG...no Light Weapons for you either pal. Doesn't that all just sound like a wicked good time.

Or maybe...just maybe this game is all about dealing with the potential of different situations. Maybe your particular fitting SHOULDN'T be designed to take down every Merc you meet in a dark alley. Sometimes, just sometimes, you will be bested because your suit does not stand up well against every weapon in the game...or your weapon doesn't do well against those particular defensive loadouts. That is life...and war. So quit your frakin' whining about these mythical Logi/Assault/Super Mercs...move out and draw fire.

Two things:

Logistics aren't just medics, they're meant to be flexible and perform other roles.

Combat medics neither wear the geneva convention armband nor go unarmed now. That means yellow suits are asinine (as if we needed to spell out that giving the enemy color-coded intelligence for their convenience was a bad idea). Combat medics now often carry a field rifle and/or a sidearm.

Reference is here:



So, logistics aren't just medics, but medics are fully armed now anyway.

1. We have not yet gotten the Scrambler rifle yet.
2. The Caldari suit has a very clear weakness in regards to flux nades, learn to use them.
3. Is it all the suits fault? Or is it the fact that more players like myself now have swapped role? - The Logi class used to be filled mostly by people with a support mind set, also not exactly the best killers, With a few beasts thrown in the mix. Now you have several of the more or less "elite" assault players swapping over, don't forget that the suits aren't worth squad without proper handling.

- The best way to "nerf" the Logi suits is to bring back the second equipment slot on the proto assault suits. I never agreed to removing them in the first place. Its only led to people either using a hive or in rare cases a medkit, the diversity of the game and many off its toys are not available to the majority of the playerbase (at this stage at least) less divercity and choices equals a more bland game for me. I'd still use my Logi suit if the proto assault suits got their second equipment slot back, when you first start to scan its hard to let it go....

That makes me feel better in some ways lol. Since we're on the topic of the new weapons, are you able to disclose why we have to wait until the 14th to get them?

I just want them to Fix my equipment =( Idk what ccp was thinking when they decided to mess with it... Just leave the damn thing be

Then do another type of logi suit that can forget light weapon and wield dual sidearms, I think thats much better option isnt... but oh my god how would anyone thought about totally removing light weapon from logi.. WTH, serious? Dont know if I would still continue to play after that, would struck me hard.

As I've said in every other logi thread (although I think this was one of the first,) the issue is not really logis being OP, its assualts and heavys being UP (although the dmg increase helped.)

Firstly, give the assualts and sentinals something useful. 2% dmg increase to light/heavy weapons (take the 10% bonus you gave us if necessary.)

If that'd not enough, switch the logistics role bonus to be reduced pg/cpu cost for equipment, then lower the overall pg/cpu of logistics suits, reducing the amount of complex mods in the high/low slots. Give caldari a shield recharge racial bonus, gallente now gets a armor rep bonus (just like the logi role bonus now,) and amarr/mini keep their racial bonuses.

/thread

When people see something the deem as OP, they cry nerf. It's an unfortunate part of human nature.

Since we're in a logistics topic, any word on the Mass Driver? A lot of people have been voicing their discontent, not just with the damage and splash radius but the arcing trajectory from Chrome being changed to a straighter shot, less damage and tighter splash. A lot of us have been discussing it across the forums and were wondering if the devs were up to giving back some of the blast radius and the old arc trajectory for balance. Damage is a lot better since the 10% increase though, but the AR probably didn't need it out of all the weapons lol.