So if I understand this correct your angry that people that put more time into the game have better stuff then you have ?

and something about tank driving is bad..

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities?

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

AMEN +1 player movement and the iron sights are screwed bring them back to chromosome style and quit effin up our game. goodnight i will not buy anymore merc packs why pay for something i cannot like? answer this and i will buy one till then hell no

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Same happened to Starhawk, Warhawk vets tried to help. Lack of feedback from devs and lack of quick fixes was what led to its downfall in my opinion.

Look where that game is 1 year on.

First:

....How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen. ...

Later:

...And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me....


WTF!

Im agree on some things with you, but re you talking about opposite things.

Dust as EvE will be hard to the new people, but those who will "adapt" to the gamemode will prevail.

So if I understand this correct your angry that people that put more time into the game have better stuff then you have ?

and something about tank driving is bad..

Matchmaking will always be broken if there aren't enough players - no MM will work with small playerbase, unless you are willing to wait for tens of minutes for a match.

There might (should) be a robust MM system in place already, and it just doesn't work due to small # of players. I surely hope there is, as otherwise Dust is borked.

All they'd have to do for a match making system is establish a conflict value system where player can only enter the match using fits that cost below the mission value.

Thats how I imagine mercs and contractors would value missions right. So the Imps could come in and kill people and show their stuff but only if they fit in to the regional conflict value. Then peeps can face off fair and square and not get all "my corp is better than yours" simply because they have proto stuff.

So you're saying that CCP has dumbed DUST down without providing any reasoning to this conclusion, other then just asserting that "options are out of the door".

Then you argue that a matchmaking system is missing because new players are regularily destroyed. This i agree with

Next you say you "used proficiency most times to level 4." wich either shows the underlying issue with the SS and SSP skills and why they had to go or something completely different since you again don't provide any reasoning for your arguments.

Same thing with "There was no need for a damage AND range nerf. ". You might be right, but there's no way i can tell because again theres no explanation for this conclusion.

Last up you complement on some of the new additions just to turn your view on "but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far" wich is yet another possibly correct point one cannot possibly assess without knowing beforehand how you came to feel that way

" And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?" Right! What is the chop on LAV's and what the hell happend to the tank rail guns? I don't know and i also can't know where you are going with this from your post.

You are obviously passionate and knowledgeable enougth to provide you readers with well constructed arguments on the points that are importand to you. Please do so, so we can have an intelligent discussion of the unerlying issues and lock flamers right out of the door. Thank you.

Player failed to adjust to changes Qqs blames ccp is trying to make game like x. So uh do play bf3 or cod to any kind of standard because dust sure as hell not like those game nor is it drifting that way. I can forgive a halo comparison but cod or bf3 your just making excuses or trolling cuz u can't keep up. I expected more from a bunny

You words are going to be Hollow, ones this game "FINALLY" becomes popular.

You know what you problem is ? you want this game to be "Exactly" like MAG.... sorry mate, this is DUST 514

Adapt or Die.

So dramatic.

However, the quoted section is telling. You're getting your ass handed to you on a 4 mil SP alt? That's because you and your corp (and imperfects, too) are nowhere near as good as you think you are, and it becomes apparent without the full proto gear.

Other than that, who cares. The new build is fine. Keep whining as if the "top players' " opinion is more important than everyone else's, please.

First:

....How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen. ...

Later:

...And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me....


WTF!

Im agree on some things with you, but re you talking about opposite things.

Dust as EvE will be hard to the new people, but those who will "adapt" to the gamemode will prevail.

Where have you been?

Seriously, read some of the other threads lately, if he went into detail on such things, this would've turned out into a totally superfluous rant with details about other things that people have covered already in a ton of other threads. You need to not get caught up and look at the point. His point game is that this game is getting watered down and the RPG elements are making the FPS gameplay suffer.

Same happened to Starhawk, Warhawk vets tried to help. Lack of feedback from devs and lack of quick fixes was what led to its downfall in my opinion.

Look where that game is 1 year on.

OK fanboys, here it is...

As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow.

But you want me to expand? Ok.

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here.

MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective.

As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken.

Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of.
If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits.
Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades.

There, now wipe those rainbows and stars off your bellies. You are not unique. You are not a beautiful snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end.

Shiny?

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked.

Eh, still too early to agree or disagree with you on almost all of what you said except the issue for new players. We need something for new, low SP players to do aside from getting pub stomped. PvE seems a good solution but alas, here we are a week from commercial release and no drones in sight.

OK fanboys, here it is...

As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow.

But you want me to expand? Ok.

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here.

MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective.

As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken.

Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of.
If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits.
Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades.

There is some REAL problem in Uprising, pls focus on that (like aiming).

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end.

Shiny?

OK fanboys, here it is...

As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow.

But you want me to expand? Ok.

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here.

MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective.

As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken.

Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of.
If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits.
Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades.

There, now wipe those rainbows and stars off your bellies. You are not unique. You are not a beautiful snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

They trialed the gear-checked Instant Battles in Closed Beta...

It flopped hard... the Prototype guys complained they had no one to pwn in their prototype gear, and they migrated down the line to standard / militia gear rooms anyway.

If you're going to QQ about something that makes the game challenging, or 'caters to newer players' (Oh, look, and Oxy-moronic statement). Do your research first, and find out if they have done something to attempt to address the self same issue.

goodnight i will not buy anymore merc packs why pay for something i cannot like? answer this and i will buy one till then hell no

I do like how people say "htfu" or "adapt or die" and yet the majority of the time those are the ones who cried to CCP to nerf things into high heaven. This game is getting more and more dumbed down each build, and yet people still cry for more nerfs etc. I came into this game expecting epic battles for planets, being a true merc in a cruel universe, all I see is boring dull battles and a community that has the biggest bunch of whiniest bitches I've ever seen.

Making the issue all about your hard earned weekly pay, will make CCP listen I'm sure.

And the last time I checked, Dust 514 was free to download. So your hot argument is pretty invalid.

IMO... If you're a "Pro" and you're here complaining because you can't just blaze through committing wholesale slaughter of those in lower end gear like you did before this latest build, then you're not the "Pro" you think you are.

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Hope you're not talking to OP because I can assure you of his skill. He's not worried about not being able to pwn in pro gear. He's worried new players will be discouraged when encountering those that do.

Honestly if I hadn't accumulated the SP I have now, and were new to this game, I would have walked into those 3 matches I had today with all proto gear + 2 tanks, and gotten a helluva a lot worse than 1 kdr. I might have just gotten zero, with a militia assault gun, unable to even scratch proto squads. This game is in full release in a week or so and all the new ppl who will join will
DL
Get PWNed
Quit.

We have the luxury of 6 million and up SP. New people have no matchmaking or other mechanics to save them from pub stomping.

You can't adapt if you don't have time to live.

Yea and no one is complaining they can't slaughter with pro gear. I'm not complaining about not being able to pwn in pro gear, I use starter fits right now, OPs not complaining on his own behalf either. No one is complaining about inability to kill with proto gear. Because we can, we just don't.


However others do.
I can endure Proto pub stomping, but can new berries?

Hope you're not talking to OP because I can assure you of his skill. He's not worried about not being able to pwn in pro gear. He's worried new players will be discouraged when encountering those that do.

Honestly if I hadn't accumulated the SP I have now, and were new to this game, I would have walked into those 3 matches I had today with all proto gear + 2 tanks, and gotten a helluva a lot worse than 1 kdr. I might have just gotten zero, with a militia assault gun, unable to even scratch proto squads. This game is in full release in a week or so and all the new ppl who will join will
DL
Get PWNed
Quit.

We have the luxury of 6 million and up SP. New people have no matchmaking or other mechanics to save them from pub stomping.

You can't adapt if you don't have time to live.

Hmmm. and yet I come back to " Last night I went in with militia assault and I broke even or went positive in most of the matches I played, even against high end geared people that were slaughtering me before. I actually had a chance!" Ok. So perhaps I also forgot to mention that I have no SP in ASLT suits or AR.

If I can do it, I'm sure there are others out there who can too. I think the problem is more the learning curve. I believe many new players come in from FPS games where lone wolf run and gun is the nature of the beast, while here in Dust that player will usually end up as a dead trooper. Dust doesn't reward that playstyle and I don't think they want to learn another playstyle. That's their choice and I don't hold it against them.

As Heavy, you don't need to use HMG.

Hmmm. and yet I come back to " Last night I went in with militia assault and I broke even or went positive in most of the matches I played, even against high end geared people that were slaughtering me before. I actually had a chance!" Ok. So perhaps I also forgot to mention that I have no SP in ASLT suits or AR.

If I can do it, I'm sure there are others out there who can too. I think the problem is more the learning curve. I believe many new players come in from FPS games where lone wolf run and gun is the nature of the beast, while here in Dust that player will usually end up as a dead trooper. Dust doesn't reward that playstyle and I don't think they want to learn another playstyle. That's their choice and I don't hold it against them.

PS I have no skill in AR either, and can easily rip through militia. Standard with Exile vs proto with duvolle. You ain't pulling that one off.

I dont think enough credit is given to the new berries. Ive had a few friends start very recently and are having a blast. They arent all as stupid as people think, on the contrary, a lot of the "big super elite blahblahblah" corps just think they are so above it all and treat new guys like **** and intentionally humiliate them...that's a bit more of a turn off to playing a new game than some people who have better gear than you.

First:

....How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen. ...

Later:

...And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me....


WTF!

Im agree on some things with you, but re you talking about opposite things.

Dust as EvE will be hard to the new people, but those who will "adapt" to the gamemode will prevail.

This is actually a very good point. I come from warhawk and I played the Starhawk beta. They changed the flight controls to a more easy variant, "press X to dodge" was the drop for me, in Warhawk you actually had to dodge.... The "dumbing down" of many gameplay mechanics from Warhawk to Starhawk made me quit playing even before the end of the Beta.

im one whom used my AURUM bought BPO's FULLY! no desire to use ADV or PRO... cuz i spent MY - "CASH" for my BPO's ... ive recruited from 5 dif FPS's to this game... 65 recruit... 65 diff ppl (no alts)... 1 is still here, and UPRISING is about to lose us both...

I WHOLHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH [ORIGINAL THREAD]...
Here is the solution CCP... listen, ur about to learn something...
"brackets"
need me to repeat?
how about an EQUIPMENT LVL CAP battle mode...
MLT battle - rookie
STD battle - casual
ADV battle - difficult
PRO battle - nightmare
where n00bs can choose there poison

stop nerfing, and dumbing... segregate us... IT WILL GIVE PPL A REASON TO STRIVE TO BE BETTER... it WILL WORK!

They trialed the gear-checked Instant Battles in Closed Beta...

It flopped hard... the Prototype guys complained they had no one to pwn in their prototype gear, and they migrated down the line to standard / militia gear rooms anyway.

If you're going to QQ about something that makes the game challenging, or 'caters to newer players' (Oh, look, and Oxy-moronic statement). Do your research first, and find out if they have done something to attempt to address the self same issue.

I'm sorry, have you ever actually PLAYED a FPS game in the last 10 years?

Blue dots have actually made me give up on humanity as a whole. They are the most contemptuous lot of selfish, impractical, and idiotic miscreants I've ever come across.

The next time you see a blue dot doing something that just confounds you, think of this...it's likely that blue dot drives, holds a job, and heaven help us, will likely bred if they haven't already.

Terrifying....honestly terrifying.

STFU
-3

I almost did! Stupid no sidearm weapon with logi suits... :P

I agree with the matchmaking issue. No one wants to play a game when the first 15 matches they have are 0/8 because the other sides have corp squads in all proto gear. That's just bad business.

I think the meta game is fine, but as you said there is no way for new players to ever stand a chance. There is no High sec in dust. It's essentially, "go negative until you have good enough gear to play competitively." I've never heard of anyone who enjoys losing all the time. Even if the game were the most fun fps ever, most people would quit if they consistently lost.

i wouldnt go militia only, as some ppl have $$(SEVER RAVEN VALOR suits BPO'd) that would have no other world to play in but PROTO H+ïLL... a STD/MLT lvl would suffice... this would allow a DS or Tank to join... for stradegy based play. i remain firm in my original idea above, but if ONLY a singal game mode was added, i would gravitate more toward STD/MLT than MLT only... some may have SLIGHT advantage but it would also promote player growth... its the HOOK u need for new players... not 0-17 (if i try real hard... in 2 months, i can go 2-15!!!)