They trialed the gear-checked Instant Battles in Closed Beta...

It flopped hard... the Prototype guys complained they had no one to pwn in their prototype gear, and they migrated down the line to standard / militia gear rooms anyway.

If you're going to QQ about something that makes the game challenging, or 'caters to newer players' (Oh, look, and Oxy-moronic statement). Do your research first, and find out if they have done something to attempt to address the self same issue.

goodnight i will not buy anymore merc packs why pay for something i cannot like? answer this and i will buy one till then hell no

I do like how people say "htfu" or "adapt or die" and yet the majority of the time those are the ones who cried to CCP to nerf things into high heaven. This game is getting more and more dumbed down each build, and yet people still cry for more nerfs etc. I came into this game expecting epic battles for planets, being a true merc in a cruel universe, all I see is boring dull battles and a community that has the biggest bunch of whiniest bitches I've ever seen.

Making the issue all about your hard earned weekly pay, will make CCP listen I'm sure.

And the last time I checked, Dust 514 was free to download. So your hot argument is pretty invalid.

IMO... If you're a "Pro" and you're here complaining because you can't just blaze through committing wholesale slaughter of those in lower end gear like you did before this latest build, then you're not the "Pro" you think you are.

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Hope you're not talking to OP because I can assure you of his skill. He's not worried about not being able to pwn in pro gear. He's worried new players will be discouraged when encountering those that do.

Honestly if I hadn't accumulated the SP I have now, and were new to this game, I would have walked into those 3 matches I had today with all proto gear + 2 tanks, and gotten a helluva a lot worse than 1 kdr. I might have just gotten zero, with a militia assault gun, unable to even scratch proto squads. This game is in full release in a week or so and all the new ppl who will join will
DL
Get PWNed
Quit.

We have the luxury of 6 million and up SP. New people have no matchmaking or other mechanics to save them from pub stomping.

You can't adapt if you don't have time to live.

Yea and no one is complaining they can't slaughter with pro gear. I'm not complaining about not being able to pwn in pro gear, I use starter fits right now, OPs not complaining on his own behalf either. No one is complaining about inability to kill with proto gear. Because we can, we just don't.


However others do.
I can endure Proto pub stomping, but can new berries?

Hope you're not talking to OP because I can assure you of his skill. He's not worried about not being able to pwn in pro gear. He's worried new players will be discouraged when encountering those that do.

Honestly if I hadn't accumulated the SP I have now, and were new to this game, I would have walked into those 3 matches I had today with all proto gear + 2 tanks, and gotten a helluva a lot worse than 1 kdr. I might have just gotten zero, with a militia assault gun, unable to even scratch proto squads. This game is in full release in a week or so and all the new ppl who will join will
DL
Get PWNed
Quit.

We have the luxury of 6 million and up SP. New people have no matchmaking or other mechanics to save them from pub stomping.

You can't adapt if you don't have time to live.

Hmmm. and yet I come back to " Last night I went in with militia assault and I broke even or went positive in most of the matches I played, even against high end geared people that were slaughtering me before. I actually had a chance!" Ok. So perhaps I also forgot to mention that I have no SP in ASLT suits or AR.

If I can do it, I'm sure there are others out there who can too. I think the problem is more the learning curve. I believe many new players come in from FPS games where lone wolf run and gun is the nature of the beast, while here in Dust that player will usually end up as a dead trooper. Dust doesn't reward that playstyle and I don't think they want to learn another playstyle. That's their choice and I don't hold it against them.

As Heavy, you don't need to use HMG.

Hmmm. and yet I come back to " Last night I went in with militia assault and I broke even or went positive in most of the matches I played, even against high end geared people that were slaughtering me before. I actually had a chance!" Ok. So perhaps I also forgot to mention that I have no SP in ASLT suits or AR.

If I can do it, I'm sure there are others out there who can too. I think the problem is more the learning curve. I believe many new players come in from FPS games where lone wolf run and gun is the nature of the beast, while here in Dust that player will usually end up as a dead trooper. Dust doesn't reward that playstyle and I don't think they want to learn another playstyle. That's their choice and I don't hold it against them.

PS I have no skill in AR either, and can easily rip through militia. Standard with Exile vs proto with duvolle. You ain't pulling that one off.

I dont think enough credit is given to the new berries. Ive had a few friends start very recently and are having a blast. They arent all as stupid as people think, on the contrary, a lot of the "big super elite blahblahblah" corps just think they are so above it all and treat new guys like **** and intentionally humiliate them...that's a bit more of a turn off to playing a new game than some people who have better gear than you.

First:

....How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen. ...

Later:

...And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me....


WTF!

Im agree on some things with you, but re you talking about opposite things.

Dust as EvE will be hard to the new people, but those who will "adapt" to the gamemode will prevail.

This is actually a very good point. I come from warhawk and I played the Starhawk beta. They changed the flight controls to a more easy variant, "press X to dodge" was the drop for me, in Warhawk you actually had to dodge.... The "dumbing down" of many gameplay mechanics from Warhawk to Starhawk made me quit playing even before the end of the Beta.

im one whom used my AURUM bought BPO's FULLY! no desire to use ADV or PRO... cuz i spent MY - "CASH" for my BPO's ... ive recruited from 5 dif FPS's to this game... 65 recruit... 65 diff ppl (no alts)... 1 is still here, and UPRISING is about to lose us both...

I WHOLHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH [ORIGINAL THREAD]...
Here is the solution CCP... listen, ur about to learn something...
"brackets"
need me to repeat?
how about an EQUIPMENT LVL CAP battle mode...
MLT battle - rookie
STD battle - casual
ADV battle - difficult
PRO battle - nightmare
where n00bs can choose there poison

stop nerfing, and dumbing... segregate us... IT WILL GIVE PPL A REASON TO STRIVE TO BE BETTER... it WILL WORK!

They trialed the gear-checked Instant Battles in Closed Beta...

It flopped hard... the Prototype guys complained they had no one to pwn in their prototype gear, and they migrated down the line to standard / militia gear rooms anyway.

If you're going to QQ about something that makes the game challenging, or 'caters to newer players' (Oh, look, and Oxy-moronic statement). Do your research first, and find out if they have done something to attempt to address the self same issue.