DUST Search - CCP, you've learned nothing, have you?

Travi Zyg wrote:

BattleCry1791 wrote:

Ghost InShell wrote:

So if I understand this correct your angry that people that put more time into the game have better stuff then you have ?

and something about tank driving is bad..

Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end.

Shiny?

I dont think enough credit is given to the new berries. Ive had a few friends start very recently and are having a blast. They arent all as stupid as people think, on the contrary, a lot of the "big super elite blahblahblah" corps just think they are so above it all and treat new guys like **** and intentionally humiliate them...that's a bit more of a turn off to playing a new game than some people who have better gear than you.


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BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 148	Posted - 2013.05.07 09:54:00 - [1] - Quote Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you. We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid. YOU LEARNED NOTHING You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players. The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted. How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen. You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS. In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd? There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales. The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay. And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies. And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf. I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142? All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns? I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server. If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 155	Posted - 2013.05.07 10:15:00 - [2] - Quote Ghost InShell wrote: So if I understand this correct your angry that people that put more time into the game have better stuff then you have ? and something about tank driving is bad.. Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end. Shiny?
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 179	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:27:00 - [3] - Quote OK fanboys, here it is... As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow. But you want me to expand? Ok. For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here. MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective. As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken. Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of. If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits. Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades. There, now wipe those rainbows and stars off your bellies. You are not unique. You are not a beautiful snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 217	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:33:00 - [4] - Quote Travi Zyg wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Ghost InShell wrote: So if I understand this correct your angry that people that put more time into the game have better stuff then you have ? and something about tank driving is bad.. Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end. Shiny? I dont think enough credit is given to the new berries. Ive had a few friends start very recently and are having a blast. They arent all as stupid as people think, on the contrary, a lot of the "big super elite blahblahblah" corps just think they are so above it all and treat new guys like **** and intentionally humiliate them...that's a bit more of a turn off to playing a new game than some people who have better gear than you. I'm sorry, have you ever actually PLAYED a FPS game in the last 10 years? Blue dots have actually made me give up on humanity as a whole. They are the most contemptuous lot of selfish, impractical, and idiotic miscreants I've ever come across. The next time you see a blue dot doing something that just confounds you, think of this...it's likely that blue dot drives, holds a job, and heaven help us, will likely bred if they haven't already. Terrifying....honestly terrifying.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 221	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:34:00 - [5] - Quote And that's the thing that mystifies me Tony. A Militia only mode would actually be the best option to attract new FPS console players. No fuss, no muss, easy as 1 2 3 FPS gaming. Even though I can't stand TDM game modes, it really does tell the tale of how exciting the pure run and gun (or camp and vamp) game play is for an FPS. Personally, I think CCP is afraid to do this. Have just a Militia only PVP option. And I think it's for two reasons: 1) It's very "not EvE". Eve doesn't have anything like that, really. It is what it is. But my issue here is that this is Sparta. Not EvE. You have to have dumbed down modes for the dumbed down players. 2) I think that if they did create a "Militia only" mode, then the game would be exposed as being "no fun to play" and that the only thing really carrying it was the proposed Meta. What most people fail to understand about Dust is that the game is an FPS with a built in imbalance. It's supposed to be that way. Guys playing on day 1 are going to get clobbered by us beta vets just due to gear alone. In EvE, you can run missions and do PVE stuff to build up your toon for PVP, FPS players will not look to do PVE to build their mercs. They want to PVP and as soon as they figure out the only reason they keep going negative is gear and that they have ot grind out to be able to play on the same level as longer lived players...they'll just quit. The way this game is designed right now really goes against the youth culture here in the US, which is "instant gratification NOW". If CCP fails to recognize this and plan accordingly, the "meta game" may not even save them.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 223	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:36:00 - [6] - Quote Far Fall wrote: I agree with the matchmaking issue. No one wants to play a game when the first 15 matches they have are 0/8 because the other sides have corp squads in all proto gear. That's just bad business. I think the meta game is fine, but as you said there is no way for new players to ever stand a chance. There is no High sec in dust. It's essentially, "go negative until you have good enough gear to play competitively." I've never heard of anyone who enjoys losing all the time. Even if the game were the most fun fps ever, most people would quit if they consistently lost. And maybe that's the problem Far. CCP just cannot figure out which way they want to deviate from EvE. Or if they are going to at all. There is no massive PVP in High Sec, and what we're all talking about is creating a High Sec PVP. That's really not how EvE works. At some point, there was this massive backlash in EvE when CCP emails were leaked out regarding 100 dollar monocles or something to that effect and the EvE community went berserk. CCP learned that their game was no longer really theirs and came to understand that EvE was about one thing...spaceships. To follow that logic, CCP wil lhave to come to understand that here, in the console FPS world, all that matters is PVP, and a fighting chance in that PVP. Something's gotta give.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 239	Posted - 2013.05.10 09:48:00 - [7] - Quote CaoticFox wrote: i wouldnt go militia only, as some ppl have $$(SEVER RAVEN VALOR suits BPO'd) that would have no other world to play in but PROTO H+ïLL... a STD/MLT lvl would suffice... this would allow a DS or Tank to join... for stradegy based play. i remain firm in my original idea above, but if ONLY a singal game mode was added, i would gravitate more toward STD/MLT than MLT only... some may have SLIGHT advantage but it would also promote player growth... its the HOOK u need for new players... not 0-17 (if i try real hard... in 2 months, i can go 2-15!!!) Anything is better than what we have.