So if I understand this correct your angry that people that put more time into the game have better stuff then you have ?

and something about tank driving is bad..

Matchmaking will always be broken if there aren't enough players - no MM will work with small playerbase, unless you are willing to wait for tens of minutes for a match.

There might (should) be a robust MM system in place already, and it just doesn't work due to small # of players. I surely hope there is, as otherwise Dust is borked.

All they'd have to do for a match making system is establish a conflict value system where player can only enter the match using fits that cost below the mission value.

Thats how I imagine mercs and contractors would value missions right. So the Imps could come in and kill people and show their stuff but only if they fit in to the regional conflict value. Then peeps can face off fair and square and not get all "my corp is better than yours" simply because they have proto stuff.

So you're saying that CCP has dumbed DUST down without providing any reasoning to this conclusion, other then just asserting that "options are out of the door".

Then you argue that a matchmaking system is missing because new players are regularily destroyed. This i agree with

Next you say you "used proficiency most times to level 4." wich either shows the underlying issue with the SS and SSP skills and why they had to go or something completely different since you again don't provide any reasoning for your arguments.

Same thing with "There was no need for a damage AND range nerf. ". You might be right, but there's no way i can tell because again theres no explanation for this conclusion.

Last up you complement on some of the new additions just to turn your view on "but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far" wich is yet another possibly correct point one cannot possibly assess without knowing beforehand how you came to feel that way

" And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?" Right! What is the chop on LAV's and what the hell happend to the tank rail guns? I don't know and i also can't know where you are going with this from your post.

You are obviously passionate and knowledgeable enougth to provide you readers with well constructed arguments on the points that are importand to you. Please do so, so we can have an intelligent discussion of the unerlying issues and lock flamers right out of the door. Thank you.

Player failed to adjust to changes Qqs blames ccp is trying to make game like x. So uh do play bf3 or cod to any kind of standard because dust sure as hell not like those game nor is it drifting that way. I can forgive a halo comparison but cod or bf3 your just making excuses or trolling cuz u can't keep up. I expected more from a bunny

You words are going to be Hollow, ones this game "FINALLY" becomes popular.

You know what you problem is ? you want this game to be "Exactly" like MAG.... sorry mate, this is DUST 514

Adapt or Die.

So dramatic.

However, the quoted section is telling. You're getting your ass handed to you on a 4 mil SP alt? That's because you and your corp (and imperfects, too) are nowhere near as good as you think you are, and it becomes apparent without the full proto gear.

Other than that, who cares. The new build is fine. Keep whining as if the "top players' " opinion is more important than everyone else's, please.

First:

....How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen. ...

Later:

...And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me....


WTF!

Im agree on some things with you, but re you talking about opposite things.

Dust as EvE will be hard to the new people, but those who will "adapt" to the gamemode will prevail.

Where have you been?

Seriously, read some of the other threads lately, if he went into detail on such things, this would've turned out into a totally superfluous rant with details about other things that people have covered already in a ton of other threads. You need to not get caught up and look at the point. His point game is that this game is getting watered down and the RPG elements are making the FPS gameplay suffer.

Same happened to Starhawk, Warhawk vets tried to help. Lack of feedback from devs and lack of quick fixes was what led to its downfall in my opinion.

Look where that game is 1 year on.

OK fanboys, here it is...

As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow.

But you want me to expand? Ok.

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here.

MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective.

As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken.

Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of.
If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits.
Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades.

There, now wipe those rainbows and stars off your bellies. You are not unique. You are not a beautiful snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end.

Shiny?

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked.

Eh, still too early to agree or disagree with you on almost all of what you said except the issue for new players. We need something for new, low SP players to do aside from getting pub stomped. PvE seems a good solution but alas, here we are a week from commercial release and no drones in sight.

OK fanboys, here it is...

As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow.

But you want me to expand? Ok.

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here.

MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective.

As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken.

Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of.
If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits.
Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades.

There is some REAL problem in Uprising, pls focus on that (like aiming).

Back in the very early stages of the closed beta, when there was a MAG style map and dancing faeries for Assault users, we...the MAG community warned you.

We'd just come off of the greatest failure in the history of FPS gaming. And we told you what to avoid.

YOU LEARNED NOTHING

You are sacrificing your own game for the want of brain dead CoD and BF players.

The two best corps in this game, namely Imps and PFBHz , were created by MAG players (PFBHz being a hybrid of two MAG clans). And everything we've ever told you, you either ignored or discounted.

How many times did we tell you not to dumb the game down? How many times did we tell you that catering to casuals will not get you anywhere? Thousands. And you failed to listen.

You've created an RPG game with an FPS battle platform and you've basically ported EvE to console FPS.

In what universe does that appeal to the "plug, play, and prestige" crowd?

There is already a Call of Duty, and a Battlefield....why do you feel the need to create a game that apes those two? I understand the money aspect of it. Those hoards of players coming out of the wood works with their hard earned cash. But EvE isn't the same as WoW....why expect DUST to be CoD in terms of sales.

The most important lesson we learned from MAG was that you cannot create a game that is smarter than 75% of the FPS player base and then just patch it so that it's dumb enough to pick up the low hanging fruit.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's what you've done with Uprising. Basically it's screw everyone but the medics and AR users. "options" are out the door. You don't even have a timeline for the new heavy suits. You've actually increased the SP required to be buffed out in this game, and then really dumbed down the gameplay.

And you have no filtering system yet in place. I have had people I know IRL d/l this game, play for an hour, and delete it of their PS3 because they went 0/17 because they got stuck in a game with Proto wearing guys from the closed beta. I was using a 4mill SP Alt today and was getting my ass handed to me. EVERYONE, not just he MAG community told you this was a bad idea and it should have been your first priority. What was one of your first priorities? KBM support for the EvE Mousejockies.

And who the hell QA'd this build? Seriously. Did anyone actually drive a tank or play as a Heavy for this build? The key to the really successful Heavies was that we used proficiency most times to level 4. That was our edge. There was no need for a damage AND range nerf.

I thought CCP prided themselves on not listening to the Carebears. And if you aren't listening to Carebears then who are you listening to? The guys from DICE you brought in from 2142?

All that being said, there were some great strides made in this build, some truly good features were added and the maps look great...but to destroy an entire class they way you have the Heavy...you went too far. And what's with the chop on LAV's and what the hell happened to the tank rail guns?

I can tell you right now, that unless the direction of this game changes, you've seen the last merc pack from me and likely will never see more than 5K on a server.

If PC doesn't add to the "meta" of this game like everyone is hoping, you're just gonna be pushing rope.

Try to comprehend this....I'm concerned for the new blood coming in to this game. If there is no place for the militia guys to run around in and kill on each other, they will quit and this game will be the same 20, 000 or so playing it over and over on a daily basis. Once that 20K no longer ever needs to buy a merc pack or any other AUR items, the game dies and that's the end.

Shiny?

OK fanboys, here it is...

As my clanmate Indy put earlier in this thread...there's hundreds of issue specific threads out there already. Oh, you didn't know about the vehicle CPU/PG bug? Best gets to reading fanboi. And in order to list them all would have taken a book. The issues are well known to CCP and the last thing I have to do is go over all of them for the likes of the Carebear crowd. My intention was to put them all in one nice neat box with a bow.

But you want me to expand? Ok.

For all you simple minded gits out there with the "Adapt or Die" or "HTFU"....allow me this question. "Just who the **** do you think you're talking to?" If there is any group of players in the game that is the damned epitome of htfu or Adapt or Die it's members of PFBHz and the Imps/IE and a handful of other console FPS clans that had to figure out EvE in order to flourish here. If we're telling you "This is borked," guess what, it's freakin' Borked. We've seen this happen on other games and we don't want to see it happen here.

MAG was an abject failure in the end. It's why we don't play it anymore. One of it's largest failings was allowing 32 guys from one clan into a pub room against 32 randoms. Can you say pubstomp? Now, while that doesn't happen here in terms of numbers, it happens here in terms of gear. Saw it on MAG and I'm seeing it here...if you don't find a way to separate the new guys from the vets, you're going to see the new guys bail. That kills the playerbase and the pool of money to collect from. This is just commen sense from a business perspective.

As to tanking...right now, if you want to be safe from a tank, just get about 30 feet off the ground. We can't shoot up. Seriously. We can't shoot dropships. I call it a bug because I refuse to believe that CCP did this on purpose. I'd prefer to believe it's incompetence over flagrant breaking of a game mechanic. My dot will be on a guy on a second story platform and my shots are hitting the building 10 feet below him. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MISS THAT IN QA? Does anyone in CCP actually OWN a tank? And why change the rail gun spool? It wasn't broken.

Lastly, I'll talk about options and lack there of.
If you wanna "b34st it up", if you want to lead on the leaderboard, then 90% of you will have to spec for proto assault, complex shield extenders, and either the Duvolle or Duvolle tactical. The Heavy is now a secondary role with it's new proto HMG damage being below that of the previous build's STD HMG. The MD just got nerfed. The laser, while needing a nerf on the proto got more taken out of it than it needed. And don't get me started on the lack of the other three racial heavy suits and two scout suits.
Basically, you don't have options anymore. It's BoD514. And because everyone is shield tanked now, they even nerfed flux grenades. HUNDREDS of items we can put on our suits, and only one real path for domination. At least they nerfed the damn AV grenades.

There, now wipe those rainbows and stars off your bellies. You are not unique. You are not a beautiful snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.