The aiming is pretty bad they had it right the first time

i disagree i hated the old aiming was impossible to anything other than spray and pray, now i can line up shots :)

Its the exact opposite for me, i used to be able to aim accuratly but now i have to spray to hope to hit anything

It's starting to look like everyone who thought it was horrible before thinks it's good now and everyone who thought it was good before thinks it's horrible now.

If you guys who thought it was horrible before were getting the same sort of thing I'm getting with this new build, I don't know how you lasted this long.

i disagree i hated the old aiming was impossible to anything other than spray and pray, now i can line up shots :)

There was nothing wrong with the old mouse aiming scheme, this one is horrible.

Do you have your aiming assistance on? TURN IT OFF.

Talked to a Dev about this at Fanfest, when I started playing and it felt off.

New aiming has less Aim assist.

All I can say is HTFU

Talked to a Dev about this at Fanfest, when I started playing and it felt off.

New aiming has less Aim assist.

All I can say is HTFU

NIIKIA first confirmed fake "top tier" player. Watch the KDR drop now that you can't suckle off the teet of KB/M advantage.

Regnum still gonna stomp all over everyone even harder now I bet.

As long as I don't have any enemies in Shotgun range (where I want to be), aim sensitivity at 70 is perfectly comfortable for me.

When there's someone in my face, I cna have sensitivity at 0 and still not be able to line up because my viewpoint is moving too fast.

Same thing. Anything further than 5 meters and up to about 19 or so can be hip-fired pretty effectively, from about 20 to 45 I can aim down sights, but anything from 0-4 is impossible to hit. It's all just spray and pray at that point. Before the update I still felt like I was deadly and had some control at that 0-4meter range, but now it's just too out of control.

I found - stupid as it is - that turning Aim Assist back on has helped immensely.

If I don't have aim assist on, and I'm about 5m from a target, I try to turn even the tiniest fraction, and I'm spun close to 90 degrees almost instantly. It's AT LEAST double the maximum turn rate I can get in any other situation.

And there's still overzealous acceleration and minimal change from a slight tilt of the stick to jamming it all the way over. Scale up the analog variation and remove (or at least reduce) acceleration. Or, you know, ACTUALLY LET US CUSTOMISE THESE THINGS. That might be nice.

I'll have to try it tomorrow because I'm off for the night.

I really do like the new build, and I know some of the other players in here do too, but this aiming thing really is a deal-breaker CCP. We need the option to revert or something because clearly some players find this version unplayable, and some players find the previous version unplayable.

Definitely buying BF4 now...yall screwed the pooch with this change. Blame it on whatever you want...its not right and needs to be fixed. Hopefully you don't wait around until you realize how much profit you're losing in AUR sales because this is making people quit. Personally ill give it some time to be fixed because I love the idea of this game, but please make haste.

Terrible aim, terrible input lag.

I've tried almost everything from 0-100 and nothing fixes the clunky slow feeling (or sometimes too fast when aiming down sights) on kbm.

Yeah, Aim Assist effects mouse users.

That brief sluggishness IS the aim assist.

Just shut it off, and things will be normal.

There is no medium between controller & mouse sensitivity that either player will be happy with. You only succeed in ruining one or the other.

Definitely buying BF4 now...yall screwed the pooch with this change. Blame it on whatever you want...its not right and needs to be fixed. Hopefully you don't wait around until you realize how much profit you're losing in AUR sales because this is making people quit. Personally ill give it some time to be fixed because I love the idea of this game, but please make haste.

Talked to a Dev about this at Fanfest, when I started playing and it felt off.

New aiming has less Aim assist.

All I can say is HTFU

Two things:

1: For the love of god, bump you sensitivity up, because CCP has lowered the base value by a fair bit - not that hard to figure out people!

2: The range bonus from the Sharpshooter skill is gone, take that into consideration when using the short range gallente AR - admittedly it's the only AR we currently have, but the scrambler should fix that.

Hi guys,

We are looking in to this. It would be extremely useful if you could report the control method you are using, the specific settings you have (sensitivity, smoothing on etc) and the issues you are experiencing with those specific settings. This way we can test your settings ourselves to help isolate potential issues.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

I find that the new mouse aiming is fine when firing off the hip, but when looking down weapon sights it's way way too sensitive.

There is no way in hell this aim is better, I'm not sure how CCP can tell us they improved the mechanics/physics... Half the time i can't tell if its frame rate or server side, on top of those issues still being here, the aim is absolutely horrible..


Firing from the hips is worthless, I had 3 guys chasing me as i back peddled barley strafing while spraying from the hip it took those 3 guys 2 clips to kill me and I was barley strafing... These fire fights look pathetic and clunky..

Not to mention the range turns every skirmish into an ambush every one is scared to come out of their holes....

SHould be headshots.. or certain guns should just ignore all armor/shields.. or something to that effect.. Let the bodies hit the floor.. its what anyone with a gun wants..

Hi guys,

We are looking in to this. It would be extremely useful if you could report the control method you are using, the specific settings you have (sensitivity, smoothing on etc) and the issues you are experiencing with those specific settings. This way we can test your settings ourselves to help isolate potential issues.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

i disagree i hated the old aiming was impossible to anything other than spray and pray, now i can line up shots :)

^this. If the aiming issues arent corrected im gone. The game is a joke at this point and uprising was a giant step backwards in my opinion. CCP can you patch me chromo build tommorow? Thnx.

Hi guys,

We are looking in to this. It would be extremely useful if you could report the control method you are using, the specific settings you have (sensitivity, smoothing on etc) and the issues you are experiencing with those specific settings. This way we can test your settings ourselves to help isolate potential issues.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

I'd really like to see CCP getting new player feedback on this. We vets are accustomed to the old aiming dynamics and are biased.

The entire motivation for the new system is that the game feel natural and enjoyable to new visitors to DUST.

Anybody heard any feedback on aiming from noobs who joined us for Uprising?

New players are going to need to get used to a new aiming system regardless of what the game uses. Why, then, wouldn't we just use the same system all the people who are already playing (which is a lot) use so they don't have to learn something new as well?

I've seen plenty of threads about how bad the aiming is. I don't think it's better for new people because if it was simply a matter of adapting to the new feel, it would be okay, but the aiming system itself doesn't seem consistent and feels broken.

Just revert it so we can all go on our merry way and this build can be playable.

Chromosome was much better.
KB/M player. 100% aim assist off. Can't hit anything, mouse jumps or stalls when it likes to.
I hope this wasn't intentional to make kb/m equal to DS3, because this is a shooter and people shouldn't nerf something just because others refuse to use the dominant FPS input device. If so, you made it worse. And what are people saying about this being similar to other shooters - no shooter has sensitivity issues like these. I won't play if they fail to get the aim back to normal.

DS3.

I'm finding Uprising a lot easier to adapt to that Chromosome was. Things are starting to feel natural already as muscle memory re-trains itself.

I believe the source of the outcry over aiming in uprising is primarily because people aren't giving themselves time to adapt - it takes more than a few hours for adaptation to a new aiming system to happen, regardless of whether it's better or worse.

The second factor is because many peeps haven't realized that rotation acceleration is in effect and so the behavior of their mercs seems unpredictable. Tbh i'm finding movement at full speed with fast cornering a lot more enjoyable now. When everything has gelled i know this build will feel head and shoulders above Chromosome. In fact, it already does.

Here's a piece of data for you Wolfman: With Chromosome, i spent a lot of time in the controller settings screen, did a fair bit of reading on the forums, turned on aim assist, which i normally never use, just to get things to 'feel' right.

I kid you not, but I don't even know what the controller settings screen looks like in Uprising because i haven't needed to use it. Maybe i could tune things even better for myself, but it's honestly feeling like a moot point because my muscle memory is adapting to the new control scheme very quickly. Whatever you peeps have done, this clone is adapting to it with little effort or conscious thought.

My two cents on the matter is hang tight and give peeps a couple of weeks to adapt. You devs can see the controller response curve and know what the rotational inertias and torques for the suits are, and you know its far closer the the physics that nature has equipped us to handle and master than what we had before. Trust in your work a little longer and give us peeps time to adapt.

P.S. I honestly don't see what the problem is with showing us the controller response function and laying out the details of the physics of the suits, it would make a great geeky devblog. Looking at the guts of a system can really help people adapt to a new and seemingly alien dynamics, it makes the inexplicable familiar and natural.

New players - because it was the aiming in Chromosome that was different to most other fps titles out there. With Uprising, CCP has aligned the controls in DUST with what peeps should be more familiar with. Personally, what we have now reminds me a lot of killzone 2.

I'f I'm right about this new peeps should get a better 'feel' from the game - awkward controls were one of the primary complaints of peeps who tried Chromosome and never came back.

Vets goot used to the old wonky control mechanics, but that doen't mean they were good.

aiming too slow? this isnt COD... nuff said

Hi guys,

We are looking in to this. It would be extremely useful if you could report the control method you are using, the specific settings you have (sensitivity, smoothing on etc) and the issues you are experiencing with those specific settings. This way we can test your settings ourselves to help isolate potential issues.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

New aiming sux nothing was wrong with the old way don't fix what's not broken

I would also like to direct people to this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7JJ-QWSx8

@33 seconds you will see something interesting. I don't know who's playing but look at that person trying to "aim" with the Scrambler Rifle. The acceleration is ruining any sense of precision. It's just wide and insane.

The game plays similar to counter strike now. When moving you will have a low chance of hitting anything from the hip. Strafe shooting was nerfed along with a smoothed out aiming that feels unresponsive. Even seasoned players are emptying clips on each other before getting a kill like this is still closed beta.

Try using the breach assault rifle, tactical, or crouch firing and you'll see that ccp must have tweaked the game to be played less like a ddrmax shooter and more like a slowpaced cover shooter.

They have fixed the melee though so it's not all bad.

Please roll back the shooting mechanics from the Chromosome build.

UPDATE: After going back and turning the aim assist off, it's still bad.

Please roll back the shooting mechanics from the Chromosome build.

Hi guys,

We are looking in to this. It would be extremely useful if you could report the control method you are using, the specific settings you have (sensitivity, smoothing on etc) and the issues you are experiencing with those specific settings. This way we can test your settings ourselves to help isolate potential issues.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

It is messed up in all settings.