People have the right to afk if they want to, however I also have the right to TK them and get them kicked from the game. so stuff balances out in the end.

I'll make it simple for the author:
- Anybody who wants CCP to succeed where this game lasts for years as intended is against AFKing.
- Anybody who only cares about their self staying ahead in SP in the short term is for AFKing.
I say that with pure confidence as AFKers are ruining Skirmish play for other players who actually want to play the game. Those that have been with DUST a while will stick with it through this crap but new players will simply move on to the next game rather than endure the extensive AFKing going on.

I'll make it simple for the author:
- Anybody who wants CCP to succeed where this game lasts for years as intended is against AFKing.
- Anybody who only cares about their self staying ahead in SP in the short term is for AFKing.
I say that with pure confidence as AFKers are ruining Skirmish play for other players who actually want to play the game. Those that have been with DUST a while will stick with it through this crap but new players will simply move on to the next game rather than endure the extensive AFKing going on.

same 'ol maps

months with out word of when the update is coming out

redlined

boring gameplay

People have the right to afk if they want to, however I also have the right to TK them and get them kicked from the game. so stuff balances out in the end.

whats the point of getting all the sp and then not doing anything with it cause all you do is afk farm

I'll make it simple for the author:
- Anybody who wants CCP to succeed where this game lasts for years as intended is against AFKing.
- Anybody who only cares about their self staying ahead in SP in the short term is for AFKing.
I say that with pure confidence as AFKers are ruining Skirmish play for other players who actually want to play the game. Those that have been with DUST a while will stick with it through this crap but new players will simply move on to the next game rather than endure the extensive AFKing going on.

There's no such thing as "same old maps" to new players.


Again, a new and not yet invested player is not going to give a crap about updates.


Being redlined is pretty easy to happen when 25% of your team is AFKing. Once your team recognizes a chunk of the team is AFKing, another 25% to 50% starts only sniping as they get tired of being constantly overrun by greater numbers.


I've heard this a lot in the BS AFK excuses I've heard. What I don't understand is if the game is SO boring, why keep playing to the extent where you'll AFK? Do you really expect the gameply to be totally redefined or something? No, you obviously don't think the game is that boring; you're just trying to take a shortcut to get ahead.

Long story short, AFKing is hurting DUST (even though I've actually heard a few say they AFK to help it ).

The point is they can accrue SP and ISK without risking any of their own gear in the process. That way, when they actually feel like playing, they'll have plenty of SP and ISK to come into a match with higher end gear and dominate. Then, they can go back and AFK. In the end, it's all gain for little loss yet those who do it do not think it an exploit.

I care less and less as I grow tired of the game in its current form, but I still hate the entitled attitude of the pro-AFK camp. It's also self defeating to boost your own character at the expense of the game's survival. Dust is going to have a hard enough time attracting new players, and AFKing just exacerbates the problem this game has with wildly unbalanced pub-stomping.

Basically, you guys are robbing a bank whilst simultaneously devaluing your stolen currency. Who wants to be the unbeatable master of a game nobody else plays?

Also, it is straight up cowardly. Not just in the usual "I hate dying because my self esteem is disturbingly entwined with my performance in virtual warfare simulators" way, but in the sense that the AFKers are afraid to fight without an SP advantage. Losing a close game is way more fun and interesting than steamrolling people, and the bored of stomping AFKers are just going to find themselves bored with the next build this way.

That said, it's not technically cheating (yet [wink wink, devs]) and hasn't been affecting me much, personally. (In fact, I think the game is a bit easier with so many Imps and Bunnys stowing themselves away.)


Won't somebody please think of the poor blueberries. They're not all as terrible as they collectively appear; this game is just downright brutal to fresh meat. A lot of them probably don't get the chance to even see the other side of the maps in order to learn the lay of the land until they get into a match that spawns them on that side.

You call it an "exploit" however I fail to see where the AFKer has an unfair ability to do this. Everyone had this ability so how can it be an exploit. If you mean exploit in "not being used as intended" then you are wrong there too. CCP made it so that time in game is worth more than playing the game. AFKers are gaining SP as is intended in the same amounts as those who play the game. AFKing is not a glitch it was an intended consquence because CCP wanted the people who cant play well to get rewarded equally with those who can. As a result those who can play well may choose not to play well so that they can get the same benefit as those who cant play well. Its true socialism at its finest. When rewards are equal across the bar no matter your performance then why perform higher than the minimum standard necessary to gain that reward?

Bad matchmaking or the lack of any. That has nothing to do with people AFK.

Noobs should be vs noobs. If that was the case, then the beta vets would be vs each other, and new players won't be affected by this...which tbh, is lol worthy to say the least. Think their biggest problem is going against good players in proto gear, but hey, seeing people AFK must make them super mad!

You're talking to people that take pub games like it's the most important thing in this World ever dude.

Referring to your last BS AFKing excuse, I'm sure there are a lot of new players in CBs too, huh?.
No, seriosuly, pub matches are all new players see. Thanks to AFKing compounding other problems, it's probably all some new players will ever see.

If you care about it as much as I do then you need to tell CCP every chance you get that they need to change the SP system. Attacking the AFKers for gaining SP using the system that was intended does nothing more than split the community between pro AFKers and anti AFKers meanwhile CCP gets a free pass for (what we believe to be) a bad design. If they dont want to change the design then they want a socialistic system in place for SP gain and you cant complain when AFKers understand this and choose to meet only the minimum requirements rather than be tryhards in pub matches.

It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior.

CCP is fully aware of he problem and has chosen to implement a non-activity detector, so raising the issue with them serves no purpose.

Whether or not the fix will be effective is another matter, but I'm sure they picked that as the lesser of two evils as a SP modification would have unwanted side effects.

We just have to put up with it while we wait for the new build.

Referring to your last BS AFKing excuse, I'm sure there are a lot of new players in CBs too, huh?.
No, seriosuly, pub matches are all new players see. Thanks to AFKing compounding other problems, it's probably all some new players will ever see.

There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value.
If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism?

Question: If I get caught in match that's AFK/Sniper loaded, do I retain any WPs I've managed to earn if I leave the battle?

Afk farming is just an example of childish behavior. The only thing more childish than afk farming is afk farmers defending afk farming

what about wet willies and wedgies? That seems like it's more childish to me.

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Not even sharted pantaloons are as childish as afk farming.

Who the hell cares, the game is busted anyway and nothing counts, so what does it matter.

Some1 told me somewhere they are still recording all stats and will return them once they fix the problem.

lol. yeah ok sure, that'll happen.

My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism.

I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player.

We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts.

My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism.

I love this. Talk about your double standard. You use a glitch to kill your team who are going AFK because CCP made the SP gain tied to time spent in game. Now I dont care you can try this all you want. I have yet to be killed while AFKing because it would take a proto nade to kill me. On top of that if you hop up on the fence in the MCC then you cant kill me with a nade no matter how hard you try.


In the end I just find it humurous that people who claim that some people are exploiting the purposeful SP mechanic that CCP put into place will then use a glitch from something that CCP did not intend to kill people who are taking advantage of the intended SP mechanism. In the end they are exactly what they claim AFKers to be......

So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then.

The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.

Telling meta gamers to go play another game based on something as stringent as dusts active skillpoints has to be one of 'the' stupidest things I've herd. Yeah, passive points are enough for a casual gamer, but we want to meta game, and to do that, at least at the moment, is through skillpoints. And don't give us the bullshit, "Oh you just want to pad your lead and don't want scrubs to catch up to your level." Average players aren't on our level. Period. No amount of skillpoints will change that. I pubstomp on a fresh character when overly bored, less than 1 mill skillpoints and I rock almost everyone I come across. And on Kyro, I'm one of the few imperfects still rocking standard suits because I'm waiting for the new bloody build to come out so I can determine which proto dropsuit will better suit my play style. Meta game bitches. We do it in hopes that the game will improve, and guess what? Meta gamers are a huge part of any game, they invest time and money into the game, and companies like that. I mean who cares about a pub match? When I play with friends new to dust they don't notice afk farmers, hell, I don't notice them. All my friends notice is getting rolled by sexy black dropsuits and prototype weapons. We are ruining the game? Grow up.

So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then.

The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.

That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it.

And by the way, I've seen it all now. I've seen people AFK-farming in Ambush. Any map with high towers, they call up a Dropship, park it on a high tower, and AFK-farm up there.

I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.

Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match.
Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.

And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."

I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances.

I am going to continue AFK farming because I can, and I really don't give a **** about all of you that are against it, go cry somewhere else or go play Angry Birds or something. LOL, tryhards.

I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.

Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match.
Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.

And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."

I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances.

Lol. The person sitting in the MCC doing nothing so he doesn't fall behind the SP curve is calling others tryhards. Douchebaggery at it's finest.

I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.

Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match.
Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.

And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."

I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances.

I like that way of thinking. It's ruining Skirmish to an extent. CCP will hopefully do something about it. Until then, I'll chill in Ambush OmS.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle

A "socialistic system of gaining sp"? I think you're the one who needs to read up on the term. Socialism means common ownership. You seem to have it confused with the Fox News definition of "getting paid for nothing". A category which passive sp fits far better than AFK farming.

it's a completely legitimate mechanic

Eh, maybe. I see 3 key differences though.

1) 1 side uses abuses the SP system for their own gain, using the SP system in a way that wasn't intended. The other side works to inconvenience those who do so by using an unintended in game effect of over cooking a grenade. In ither words, motive is very different between the two and the motive is what anti-AFKers find so despicable. Using it to better yourself at the expense of your team.

2) As I was saying, motive. One side abuses a game mechanic in a way that it was never intended to be used for personal gain to the detriment of their team, the other side uses a bug in a game mechanic to punish those who are abusing a game mechanic in a way that it was never intended to be used to personal gain to the detriment of their team.

3) One side harms their teams chances of winning, the other side attempts to remove the inactive players so new (hopefully active) players can take their place.

So, other than.. you know... everything important..... you are totally right. Keep up the good work.

Hardly. It's the whole point, why lose suits for nothing, I don't blame people at all for doing it, they are probably as sick of ambush as i am.

No I am using the term socialism which is an overarching idea of which there are many different philosophies some of which the state has ownership of property or the citizens have common ownership of property. I am speaking on the aspect of socialism that uses any of various economic and political philosophies that support social equality and equal distribution of income (IE SP) based on contribution (time in game). Since the majority of SP is earned by time in game and they only threw a small bone to the good players to be able to earn a little more SP than horrible players this system encourages good players to do no better than the bad players. AFKing in the MCC is actually playing better than many players as you have not decreased the clone count wherease many bad players easily go 0-8 and thus not only did they not help their team but they ONLY hurt their team.

Frankly I dont care if people AFK or not. CCP built the system with the idea that going 0/0/0 will still get you SP in the game so what if good players decide to take CCP up on their offer and go 0/0/0 while they do other things. VS the people who play the game and go 0/8/0 and gain the same amount of SP. Like I keep saying if you have issues bring them to CCP and tell them to change the system to reward good play. Otherwise all they are doing is rewarding time in game.

I even have my 6 yr old nephew AFK farming for me when he comes over, gotta teach em while they are young, don't want him growing up all "waaa waaa, I'm soooo upset. Someone is playing a game differently than I want them too "
I cannot believe how many people in this community think there is some sort of honor in online gaming. I have a real life to attend to and cannot waste time caring about what some stranger thinks about how I don't assist them and they lose. Big deal. Get over it. It is a game.

I still think you should be able to push them out of the MCC.

This would be a good option or remove the MCC as an optional spawn point. Makes us spawn on the ground.

It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.

But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.

I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you.

Could you post this again so I can like it twice?

Could you post this again so I can like it twice?

But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.

Yah, same goes for head shots. Sure, CCP put it into the game, but I highly doubt they ever thought in a million years it would lead to people preferentially shooting others in the head. I mean really, if you want to go running around exploiting this to get faster kills, more power to you, but I shall continue to do it the old fashioned way and shoot them in the center core.

The compelling reason is in your own argument. There is a reason why there is a downturn in activity among the veteran community. (by veteran i mean every leet player and every player whose character has over 4-5M SP or has been playing since Jan 22nd Open Beta but more so ALL CLOSED TESTERS).

We have been doing this for months. We've been dealing with the gameplay bugs and having to deal with the minefield of players who simply don't know what they are doing.

Add to this our competitive nature means we would do the same as you to secure the W. But in the end suits, salvage, and ISK are all COMMODITIES that will factor in the upcoming build (6 weeks). When a person can earn nearly the same levels of all of these things from AFKing as they can actually trying to play and gain at ZERO risk people are going to do that because to them the PUB match is not the game. Its the only mode we have now for nearly a year.

People are building stockpiles and warchests. As ive said when PC/FW comes both of which will allow for SP/ISK gain as well you will see much of this AFK community disappearing from pubs anyway. Those that would AFK in pubs will also likely play to hit cap as fast as possible to focus on PC/FW.

Point is this "widespread" problem will self-resolve in 6 weeks.

You should probably work on that.

I can lose THREE TANKS and spend less than that with some of my fittings. I have one where I can lose 4 and still be well below that figure.

I always use my optimal logistic suit with equipment tailored to my team's survivability (Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Logistic A-Series, Complex Armor Repair Module, Compact Nanohives, etc); none of which are cheap. I have an extremely competitive personality and I fight every match to win it.

My corp and circle of friends are content with the way I've built my medic and the immediate area that I feel needs to be improved, is my own survivability.

I wouldn't know about tanks, I'm not a vehicle specialist. However, I am acquainted with a few who run tanks worth upwards of 1.2 million isk.

And I don't know a single tank driver who's willing to call in a 1 million+ ISK tank into every single battle regardless of what they're doing.

Part of "winning" in New Eden is about making a profit. Don't use what you can't afford to lose.

Also, a "suboptimal" fitting with a few steps short of your ideal in certain areas will be more of a challenge because of its reduced capabilities, thus improving your skill even more for when you run the "proper" fitting in a more serious battle where you expect a larger reward. Fighting with a handicap makes you rely less on the maxed-out capabilities of your best equipment.

If you're losing an expensive fitting often enough to run at a loss, you're doing it wrong.

The point is they can accrue SP and ISK without risking any of their own gear in the process. That way, when they actually feel like playing, they'll have plenty of SP and ISK to come into a match with higher end gear and dominate. Then, they can go back and AFK. In the end, it's all gain for little loss yet those who do it do not think it an exploit.

It's not really exploiting, it's like all the scumbags who abuse the welfare system and food stamps etc. While 90% of us work our asses off to have a comfortable life. If there is a system in place with possible gain to easily be had, some scumbags will figure out how to abuse it and somehow try to find an excuse to justify it to themselves cause they know they are scumbags.

I am against AFK farming because it causes my team to lose occasionally, which costs me SP and thus time in my life. Also, I think it is destructive behavior and will cause other players to do the same thing or just not be good team players. All in all, I think AFK farming can only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone.

How can it only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone if I am still having fun?

i dont care about AFK

"even have my 6 yr old nephew AFK farming for me when he comes over, gotta teach em while they are young, don't want him growing up all "waaa waaa, I'm soooo upset. Someone is playing a game differently than I want them too "
I cannot believe how many people in this community think there is some sort of honor in online gaming. I have a real life to attend to and cannot waste time caring about what some stranger thinks about how I don't assist them and they lose. Big deal. Get over it. It is a game."



i always wondered where the sucky new players came from. it's not like they were born with a suck level 5000.

so i'd like to say thanks to this old gal for proving the point:


most of you suck.
and your kids suck because you suck. you aren't good at gaming so you blame the communtiy for being better at it then you. and then you throw in the "i do stuff" excuse. everyone does. but most of us don't suck as bad as you do. what's worse is you're passing your suck off to some poor kid that doesn't know any better and is probably a better gamer then you. or would have been had you not inflicted your suck mentality on him


oh yeah, in the paragraph above, you didn't need to use all those words just to say you're below average at gaming.

i would assume you teach the kid to cheat in school, too, but you prolly aren't smart enough to pull it off and for sure the kid isn't if he is learning from you.


casuals, dime a dozen. but they still sell for a nickel per 100.

Peace
B

Why do u always rage quit when u get in a game against us?
Finally saw ur "l33t tough guy mr hardcore gamer" ingame and u punk out when ur gettin stomped? but hey it was your bluedots fault right?

3 of u Zion guys left and left behind one of ur corp mates who was sniping.
I think YOU need to drop the act of being this greatest hardcore competitive gamer of all time cuz u call out and say Everyone else sucks but dont criticize urself yet we catch u ingame and u either leave at the beginning or midway through.

git gud.

So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then.

The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.

Whenever I am on these forums I am AFKing in the game. And yes, as of this post, I am AFKing.
Might as well get SP for "playing" on these forums.

left Zion too? Or am I confusing you with another logi bro

And even the SP campers don't agree this is fair or right - it's just simply there and they'll take advantage of CCP's public display of stupidity. How is a public display you ask? They asked us for the best SP solution - then gave us ultimatums to pick from. We do - all the while giving facts and opinions on why not to do certain things. The biggest one I remember was AFK farming becoming a big problem later on with 1 sp every second or so. they ignored that pretty big warning - so now we're doing it. It's not really surprising. People can't figure out why our community supports this. Well, let me lay it down now. We don't, this is us trolling CCP. With the level of complaints and threads the topic is getting - it's sure to be solved quickly come next week. And another FYI - it didn't become popular until Kain was caught doing it. You're all just after Kains glory ;)

I'm actually out to get a large pool of SP like Kain.

But, on the topic of the rest of your comment, yes I am the only Logi Bro, and therefore I am the one that left Zion, I am not making a political statement against CCP, I just get bored of the same rinse and repeat same three maps over the same three game modes (two of those game modes are basically the same) and I am trying to cap (haven't capped since first week of open beta) via AFKing.

I'm actually out to get a large pool of SP like Kain.

But, on the topic of the rest of your comment, yes I am the only Logi Bro, and therefore I am the one that left Zion, I am not making a political statement against CCP, I just get bored of the same rinse and repeat same three maps over the same three game modes (two of those game modes are basically the same) and I am trying to cap (haven't capped since first week of open beta) via AFKing.

I can't speak for the other players, but I am not a huge corp man. I'm thinking 50% of Zion never even knew I was a corp member, considering how little I actually did with the corp. Just left because I didn't want my actions to reflect Zion since I wasn't doing anything for/with them anyways.

I noticed the moment you joined Zion. I was like, "Yay, another corp mate to prowl the forums with." Then I got banned a few days later. You me and Gen Tib would of been of been fun lol

gen tib is awesome to prowl the forums with, we have an entire thread about bacon going right now.

lol sounds fun. Nothing better then bacon. The only reason Canada matters.

That's ham

I noticed the moment you joined Zion. I was like, "Yay, another corp mate to prowl the forums with." Then I got banned a few days later. You me and Gen Tib would of been of been fun lol

lol sounds fun. Nothing better then bacon. The only reason Canada matters.

wait canada has a useful export?

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you troll too obviously

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you troll too obviously


You think I got all these likes by being helpful? lmao

EDIT: Quotes breaking a lot for me today. Just giving it a quick fix out of lazy

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but i lost my tag team partner


now who am i going to laugh with when mowing down redberries?

(pretty sure i'm the last heavy in zion now)

Wow!? Really?? ZionTCD had some of the best heavies in the game who supported each other like brothers. Shame to see that die. I always liked posting on the Juggernaut forums debating and discussing heavies. It really helped put me where I am today.

Aye - Polish was the heart of the Heavies. But Geth and others are still in Zion, you just have to lure them out with pretty words and candy - I use anime ;) I was hoping for some good CB's in the future when player count raised - but what fun will that be for me if everyone I knew left... :'(

Really seems like Zion has dropped off the map as a top corp. Maybe they did me a favor by banning me lol, though I always felt that way anyways.

There's loads of heavies in lotis, and there's an entire alliance channel at your disposal to find another heavy. Also PA's Capone of tritan industries is a great heavy player.

it's the burnout, i know it's affecting other corps.

and i'll have to hit up geth one of these days

That would explain all these empty CB games lol


I wish the top corps got together - said EFF REPUTATION LETS FIGHT and just duked it out like we should be doing. Instead matches don't happen because of how the community view things. I blame SyNergy. Just because I can!

And Zion is the only corp I know of going through a burn out - AGAIN. Hellstorm and Betamax and subd seem to be expanding as well as other top corps. Zion and Unreal are the only two I know of in decline - and Zions decline seems to be going on for months now Lucky you guys were huge lol

an entire channel?!?!

where is this info?

what else have y'all been keeping from me?!?!

There's this channel called "LRA Dust" which interestingly used to be zions public channel

seriously, are you sure it's not just peoples alts?

Maybe. I only notice those who stand out in a crowd - those who did in Zion are mostly gone. Zion is still a step up from PRO but it used to be more concrete with a team I could think of you guys could field that could win. Now you're all disclosed and not many of you use the forum despite your size and your leaders involvement around here is non-existant now. I would say some of you need to complain but I have no idea what going on beyond your closed doors since I'm banned from even using the site, and we know now for a fact complaining gets you no where but tears. Yea it's pretty safe to assume Zion is a shadow now compared to the testers tournament.

Mwa ha ha - I haven't had a chance to bash on Zion in a while. :)

Okay okay! I'll stop - no sad faces! Zion still has a place in mah heart as part of my history.

There's loads of heavies in lotis, and there's an entire alliance channel at your disposal to find another heavy. Also PA's Capone of tritan industries is a great heavy player.

I love taking on a good heavy

They're so rare though. Most heavies seem to think pray and spray beats all... I almost make it my mission to target heavies first. Most need to learn better left stick control.

so you are saying I suck hhmmm

Get on the other side and I'll let you know

Get on the other side and I'll let you know

Get on the other side and I'll let you know

Heavy

Heavy

Get on the other side and I'll let you know

They're so rare though. Most heavies seem to think pray and spray beats all... I almost make it my mission to target heavies first. Most need to learn better left stick control.

you going to get owned ha ha ha

hay wait why am I fight my own guy

If you're as good as Kyptix or HowDidThatTaste or Polish or Rutha then we might just have some fun times going 1v1. Heavy fights can be epic. I often faced those others - both of us getting to cover in time to recharge shields then going back it at - all the while slaughtering everything around us.

It's more fun killing corpmates :-)

you switched to shield tanking!?!?

HEATHEN!!!!

WHY?

I'm not, but I'm pretty sure the reward for my honesty is to be way behind on gear and skills for Uprising.

I do both depending on my squad. Armor for CB Shield for Pubs. Though the enemy make up might make shield tanking needed in B too - all depends. I've 20 or so different suits set up lol

Cause then I can troll you after :D

Cause then I can troll you after :D

Well i'm not going to troll you

My trolling is all in good fun - no hard feelings. I have no haters for a reason even though I troll so much :D

i call bullshit

Name one!

i don't have first hand knowledge, but everyone who's trolled on these forums has pissed SOMEONE off

oh no doubt, but it's never lead to hate.

i don't have first hand knowledge, but everyone who's trolled on these forums has pissed SOMEONE off

SoTa hasn't.

I think I may have a few haters, but he doesn't.

Me defending a racist flared up some emotions on me - but almost all of them respected me for my stance of freedom of speech. I think only Beld would have any reason at all to hate me but even then I publically apologized to him. My corp mates laughed hard at me saying this earlier - but I'm a humble troll lol

how is that possible?

when did THIS happen?
and humble my ass

search using keywords vemon and racist lol It continues on to a thread where I called out a few people for sending me PSN hate mail over the matter.

Worst part of it all - Venom leaves us to make his own corp - lolol

will do.

and ha! you didn't deny it

i type in racist and get zipo, and venom got me 6 pages of stuff, no idea where to vegin.

i'll take your word for it

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59219

Found the original thread too just typing Venom lol -but this is the relevant thread

i said there were 6 pages of threads, and i dont know the name

LMAO, skipped to the end, eternes response is priceless

and yeah, not the only black sheep in Texas



are you one of the renaissance re-enacters?

where is this sherrif clark? classic name

lol he's an alt of someone who identity is still known to but few. And no - I'm not lol.

Eternes response could be easily countered as the threads topic was over my hate mail and was using the other thread as a reference - something not against forum rules. But that thread needed death :P Shame he deleted half the posts.

it looked like it was getting out of hand.

and srry about your cat.


also, SOOO many Texans in this game

Tons of Texans lol. And the cat - she left me a litter before she died so I transferred her love over. <3

Todays drama is boring, forums aren't as fun to read as they used to be. Imps finally got tired of the lime light and are hanging back - makin' this dull for me lol