Telling meta gamers to go play another game based on something as stringent as dusts active skillpoints has to be one of 'the' stupidest things I've herd. Yeah, passive points are enough for a casual gamer, but we want to meta game, and to do that, at least at the moment, is through skillpoints. And don't give us the bullshit, "Oh you just want to pad your lead and don't want scrubs to catch up to your level." Average players aren't on our level. Period. No amount of skillpoints will change that. I pubstomp on a fresh character when overly bored, less than 1 mill skillpoints and I rock almost everyone I come across. And on Kyro, I'm one of the few imperfects still rocking standard suits because I'm waiting for the new bloody build to come out so I can determine which proto dropsuit will better suit my play style. Meta game bitches. We do it in hopes that the game will improve, and guess what? Meta gamers are a huge part of any game, they invest time and money into the game, and companies like that. I mean who cares about a pub match? When I play with friends new to dust they don't notice afk farmers, hell, I don't notice them. All my friends notice is getting rolled by sexy black dropsuits and prototype weapons. We are ruining the game? Grow up.

So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then.

The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.

That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it.

And by the way, I've seen it all now. I've seen people AFK-farming in Ambush. Any map with high towers, they call up a Dropship, park it on a high tower, and AFK-farm up there.

I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.

Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match.
Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.

And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."

I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances.

I am going to continue AFK farming because I can, and I really don't give a **** about all of you that are against it, go cry somewhere else or go play Angry Birds or something. LOL, tryhards.

I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.

Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match.
Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.

And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."

I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances.

Lol. The person sitting in the MCC doing nothing so he doesn't fall behind the SP curve is calling others tryhards. Douchebaggery at it's finest.

I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.

Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match.
Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.

And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."

I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances.

I like that way of thinking. It's ruining Skirmish to an extent. CCP will hopefully do something about it. Until then, I'll chill in Ambush OmS.

I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle

A "socialistic system of gaining sp"? I think you're the one who needs to read up on the term. Socialism means common ownership. You seem to have it confused with the Fox News definition of "getting paid for nothing". A category which passive sp fits far better than AFK farming.

it's a completely legitimate mechanic

Eh, maybe. I see 3 key differences though.

1) 1 side uses abuses the SP system for their own gain, using the SP system in a way that wasn't intended. The other side works to inconvenience those who do so by using an unintended in game effect of over cooking a grenade. In ither words, motive is very different between the two and the motive is what anti-AFKers find so despicable. Using it to better yourself at the expense of your team.

2) As I was saying, motive. One side abuses a game mechanic in a way that it was never intended to be used for personal gain to the detriment of their team, the other side uses a bug in a game mechanic to punish those who are abusing a game mechanic in a way that it was never intended to be used to personal gain to the detriment of their team.

3) One side harms their teams chances of winning, the other side attempts to remove the inactive players so new (hopefully active) players can take their place.

So, other than.. you know... everything important..... you are totally right. Keep up the good work.

Hardly. It's the whole point, why lose suits for nothing, I don't blame people at all for doing it, they are probably as sick of ambush as i am.

No I am using the term socialism which is an overarching idea of which there are many different philosophies some of which the state has ownership of property or the citizens have common ownership of property. I am speaking on the aspect of socialism that uses any of various economic and political philosophies that support social equality and equal distribution of income (IE SP) based on contribution (time in game). Since the majority of SP is earned by time in game and they only threw a small bone to the good players to be able to earn a little more SP than horrible players this system encourages good players to do no better than the bad players. AFKing in the MCC is actually playing better than many players as you have not decreased the clone count wherease many bad players easily go 0-8 and thus not only did they not help their team but they ONLY hurt their team.

Frankly I dont care if people AFK or not. CCP built the system with the idea that going 0/0/0 will still get you SP in the game so what if good players decide to take CCP up on their offer and go 0/0/0 while they do other things. VS the people who play the game and go 0/8/0 and gain the same amount of SP. Like I keep saying if you have issues bring them to CCP and tell them to change the system to reward good play. Otherwise all they are doing is rewarding time in game.

I even have my 6 yr old nephew AFK farming for me when he comes over, gotta teach em while they are young, don't want him growing up all "waaa waaa, I'm soooo upset. Someone is playing a game differently than I want them too "
I cannot believe how many people in this community think there is some sort of honor in online gaming. I have a real life to attend to and cannot waste time caring about what some stranger thinks about how I don't assist them and they lose. Big deal. Get over it. It is a game.

I still think you should be able to push them out of the MCC.