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Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2013.03.28 21:29:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior.
There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? |
Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:57:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Goric Rumis wrote:It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior. There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player.
We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts. |
Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:05:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote: My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism.
A "socialistic system of gaining sp"? I think you're the one who needs to read up on the term. Socialism means common ownership. You seem to have it confused with the Fox News definition of "getting paid for nothing". A category which passive sp fits far better than AFK farming. |
Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:08:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Goric Rumis wrote:It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior. There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player. We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts. So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.
That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it. |
Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:40:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.
That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it.[/quote]
Hardly. It's the whole point, why lose suits for nothing, I don't blame people at all for doing it, they are probably as sick of ambush as i am.[/quote]
Lose suits for nothing? Why have them in the first place for nothing? Plus there's this little thing called playing the game, that we incidentally all promised to do in the Ts & Cs of the beta. |
Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:09:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing. That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it. Hardly. It's the whole point, why lose suits for nothing, I don't blame people at all for doing it, they are probably as sick of ambush as i am.
Lose suits for nothing? Why have them in the first place for nothing? Plus there's this little thing called playing the game, that we incidentally all promised to do in the Ts & Cs of the beta.[/quote]
I don't mind losing suits if my stats count, as they do in ambush, but why lose them in skirmish for nothing.
You can't play the game if the game is busted. I'll play when it's fixed thanks.[/quote]
But you still think you're entitled to the sp I'm guessing. If you're only playing for stats, then play ambush.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:11:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:semperfi1999 wrote: My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism.
A "socialistic system of gaining sp"? I think you're the one who needs to read up on the term. Socialism means common ownership. You seem to have it confused with the Fox News definition of "getting paid for nothing". A category which passive sp fits far better than AFK farming. No I am using the term socialism which is an overarching idea of which there are many different philosophies some of which the state has ownership of property or the citizens have common ownership of property. I am speaking on the aspect of socialism that uses any of various economic and political philosophies that support social equality and equal distribution of income (IE SP) based on contribution (time in game). Since the majority of SP is earned by time in game and they only threw a small bone to the good players to be able to earn a little more SP than horrible players this system encourages good players to do no better than the bad players. AFKing in the MCC is actually playing better than many players as you have not decreased the clone count wherease many bad players easily go 0-8 and thus not only did they not help their team but they ONLY hurt their team. Frankly I dont care if people AFK or not. CCP built the system with the idea that going 0/0/0 will still get you SP in the game so what if good players decide to take CCP up on their offer and go 0/0/0 while they do other things. VS the people who play the game and go 0/8/0 and gain the same amount of SP. Like I keep saying if you have issues bring them to CCP and tell them to change the system to reward good play. Otherwise all they are doing is rewarding time in game.
Evidently you can stretch the meaning of a word into anything you want. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:30:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.
But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you.
Could you post this again so I can like it twice?
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