DUST Search - Are you for or against AFK SP farming while we wait on the next build?

ICECREAMK1NG wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Goric Rumis wrote:

It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior.

There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value.
If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism?

I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player. Blink

We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts.

So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. Roll

The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.

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semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 388	Posted - 2013.03.28 21:40:00 - [31] - Quote Skihids wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: Quote: You're talking to people that take pub games like it's the most important thing in this World ever dude. Referring to your last BS AFKing excuse, I'm sure there are a lot of new players in CBs too, huh?. No, seriosuly, pub matches are all new players see. Thanks to AFKing compounding other problems, it's probably all some new players will ever see. If you care about it as much as I do then you need to tell CCP every chance you get that they need to change the SP system. Attacking the AFKers for gaining SP using the system that was intended does nothing more than split the community between pro AFKers and anti AFKers meanwhile CCP gets a free pass for (what we believe to be) a bad design. If they dont want to change the design then they want a socialistic system in place for SP gain and you cant complain when AFKers understand this and choose to meet only the minimum requirements rather than be tryhards in pub matches. CCP is fully aware of he problem and has chosen to implement a non-activity detector, so raising the issue with them serves no purpose. Whether or not the fix will be effective is another matter, but I'm sure they picked that as the lesser of two evils as a SP modification would have unwanted side effects. We just have to put up with it while we wait for the new build. Yea I know they are working on the non activity detector but like you said it wont work. Me and my rubberband will easily overcome this little problem. My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism.
The Medic Droid The Phoenix Federation 12	Posted - 2013.03.28 21:42:00 - [32] - Quote I strongly oppose AFK farming. There is no justification for laziness when you're part of a team.
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits 1	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:08:00 - [33] - Quote If the game is on, I'm in it. That's my stance. I play to play. If you're too lazy to play a video game, you suck. If the game is boring, quit. Chances are they're not going to change anything significantly enough to please you. AFKs suck. Especially for people who prefer winning a game, no matter the loot. Tryhard isn't a dirty word. It's a simplistic prelude to Expert. Stay in the MCC, like a pansy. I'll be on the ground learning every little hiccup and nook and cranny on the map for some legit points. Question: If I get caught in match that's AFK/Sniper loaded, do I retain any WPs I've managed to earn if I leave the battle?
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 410	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:15:00 - [34] - Quote Many AFK simply because our backs are tired from carrying everyone. Moreover we've tried to organize you and you simply insist on running around like headless chickens. Moreover we decided to give CCP a rest from the constant NERF this, This is OP, this Is UP, These guys cheat, these guys have modded controllers, SP gap is too high I demand a reset, Tank spam in skirmish is unfair and the litany of threads that have basically come down in frequency since we started AFKing about a month ago. We've given you a chance to progress without the constant bash into nothingness giving you time to learn some of the nuances of the game without us constantly bashing you to the point of playing more time in the respawn screen than the game. So to that end... YOUR WELCOME
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 1015	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:20:00 - [35] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Quote: You're talking to people that take pub games like it's the most important thing in this World ever dude. Referring to your last BS AFKing excuse, I'm sure there are a lot of new players in CBs too, huh?. No, seriosuly, pub matches are all new players see. Thanks to AFKing compounding other problems, it's probably all some new players will ever see. Pretty sure the friends I had try the game, and deleted it right after didn't even notice people were AFK. They were too busy noticing how badly they were getting raped, and the frame rate giving them headaches. So yeah.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 1015	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:22:00 - [36] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Goric Rumis wrote: It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior. There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player.
sharted pantaloon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:26:00 - [37] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Question: If I get caught in match that's AFK/Sniper loaded, do I retain any WPs I've managed to earn if I leave the battle? Nope, you suicide and afk in the MCC like most people.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 72	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:36:00 - [38] - Quote No need for any Imperfects to further post. The Imperfects Official statement on the matter can be read here. Imperfect Official Statement Let the peasants swim in their own filth. This thread is beneath us.
DUST Fiend Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2163	Posted - 2013.03.28 22:51:00 - [39] - Quote Afk farming is just an example of childish behavior. The only thing more childish than afk farming is afk farmers defending afk farming
sharted pantaloon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.03.28 23:04:00 - [40] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Afk farming is just an example of childish behavior. The only thing more childish than afk farming is afk farmers defending afk farming what about wet willies and wedgies? That seems like it's more childish to me.

DUST Fiend Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2164	Posted - 2013.03.28 23:47:00 - [41] - Quote sharted pantaloon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Afk farming is just an example of childish behavior. The only thing more childish than afk farming is afk farmers defending afk farming what about wet willies and wedgies? That seems like it's more childish to me. Not even sharted pantaloons are as childish as afk farming.
sharted pantaloon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.03.29 00:15:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: [quote=sharted pantaloon] Not even sharted pantaloons are as childish as afk farming. I see what you did there and I find it very childish.
Green Living Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 130	Posted - 2013.03.29 01:08:00 - [43] - Quote I don't care either way honestly. When the elite players sit in the MCC and AFK it means more SP and kills for me.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 977	Posted - 2013.03.29 01:40:00 - [44] - Quote farming is all that's left to do this build
Soldier of Mawat Amat Al'Mawat Militia 20	Posted - 2013.03.29 02:35:00 - [45] - Quote I keep seeing the "this game has gotten boring" argument being tossed around. I played Rainbow six vegas two for 5 years and I would happily play it for another 5 years if my friends continued to play it and the player base also continued to play. If you are bored with the game go play another game, so that when you come back you have a fresh look at the game and a renewed sense of appreciation, and a nice buildup of passive waiting for you. Just because you are behind in SP doesn't mean you lose skill at the game.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 74	Posted - 2013.03.29 02:38:00 - [46] - Quote I honestly am neutral on this. I myself don't AFK farm but I don't blame those that do. I get annoyed going into a FagusPeak match just to see a bunch of scrub snipers red lining themselves. In those games I would much rather go do something else and sit in MCC than have some un skilled scrub hiding up in the mountains sniping at people who are trying to actually play the objective and win the game. I blame snipers for the fall of this game IF that happens. They are the reason everybody would rather AFK farm.
Monkxx Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 30	Posted - 2013.03.29 03:33:00 - [47] - Quote As long as AFK farming is generating profit people will do this. Ol' good days in MU Online when you put the keyboard on the mouse so both buttons are kept pressed and go to the pub. 5 hours later you, drunk as hell, sort out gained Skill Points of your +50lvl character and go to bed leaving PC on...Ol' good days when gamers were not pussies and didn't whine about AFK farming...
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 62	Posted - 2013.03.29 03:36:00 - [48] - Quote against, but if they don't fix the system to prevent it then theres no reason not to
Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar Imperfects Negative-Feedback 29	Posted - 2013.03.29 06:31:00 - [49] - Quote Telling meta gamers to go play another game based on something as stringent as dusts active skillpoints has to be one of 'the' stupidest things I've herd. Yeah, passive points are enough for a casual gamer, but we want to meta game, and to do that, at least at the moment, is through skillpoints. And don't give us the bullshit, "Oh you just want to pad your lead and don't want scrubs to catch up to your level." Average players aren't on our level. Period. No amount of skillpoints will change that. I pubstomp on a fresh character when overly bored, less than 1 mill skillpoints and I rock almost everyone I come across. And on Kyro, I'm one of the few imperfects still rocking standard suits because I'm waiting for the new bloody build to come out so I can determine which proto dropsuit will better suit my play style. Meta game bitches. We do it in hopes that the game will improve, and guess what? Meta gamers are a huge part of any game, they invest time and money into the game, and companies like that. I mean who cares about a pub match? When I play with friends new to dust they don't notice afk farmers, hell, I don't notice them. All my friends notice is getting rolled by sexy black dropsuits and prototype weapons. We are ruining the game? Grow up.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2013.03.29 06:36:00 - [50] - Quote Definitely against. How am I supposed to develop the skills I'll need as a proper new eden mercenary without fighting the maximum amount of other players, and therefore differing strategies due to individual thought patterns. By afk'ing you deny me valuable knowledge and practice. You dicks.

ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 441	Posted - 2013.03.29 07:26:00 - [51] - Quote Who the hell cares, the game is busted anyway and nothing counts, so what does it matter.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 77	Posted - 2013.03.29 07:34:00 - [52] - Quote ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Who the hell cares, the game is busted anyway and nothing counts, so what does it matter. Some1 told me somewhere they are still recording all stats and will return them once they fix the problem.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 441	Posted - 2013.03.29 07:38:00 - [53] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Who the hell cares, the game is busted anyway and nothing counts, so what does it matter. Some1 told me somewhere they are still recording all stats and will return them once they fix the problem. lol. yeah ok sure, that'll happen.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 77	Posted - 2013.03.29 07:40:00 - [54] - Quote ICECREAMK1NG wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Who the hell cares, the game is busted anyway and nothing counts, so what does it matter. Some1 told me somewhere they are still recording all stats and will return them once they fix the problem. lol. yeah ok sure, that'll happen. Ya I honestly don't think they will either but just was putting out there what I heard.
Rusty Shallows Creative Killers 27	Posted - 2013.03.29 07:47:00 - [55] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism. Any system is open to exploitation. In the US we have more than enough problems with people getting special treatment through the tax code causing all kinds of problems. There is no panacea in political ideology. While I can't bring myself to AFK milk SP why others do does make sense. It's easy with great rewards and the other people are anonymous blue dots of folk you will never have any real life contact with. In the past rewards were too lopsided only driving the "have's" and "have-nots" farther apart. The war-point driven idea could work but not right now. That whole system would need a massive overhaul taking into account actions like holding areas, pulling security, tactical movement and so on. It is practically centered on killing now and that's a bad metric to determine experience gain. People are going to afk for the freebies, CCP will introduce mechanisms to deal with it. C'est la vie. Too bad CCP can't introduce reporting feature where people clearly caught in the act have to give over a percentage of their SP to the others in the match.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2013.03.29 07:57:00 - [56] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Goric Rumis wrote: It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior. There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player. We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 441	Posted - 2013.03.29 08:05:00 - [57] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Goric Rumis wrote: It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior. There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player. We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts. So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2013.03.29 08:05:00 - [58] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: My main issue is more with the people who spend their time complaining about AFKers and arguing against AFKers rather than taking CCP to task. If people dont realize that this is the result of putting in place a socialistic system of gaining SP then those people need to go read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism. A "socialistic system of gaining sp"? I think you're the one who needs to read up on the term. Socialism means common ownership. You seem to have it confused with the Fox News definition of "getting paid for nothing". A category which passive sp fits far better than AFK farming.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 413	Posted - 2013.03.29 08:07:00 - [59] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: gbghg wrote: People have the right to afk if they want to, however I also have the right to TK them and get them kicked from the game. so stuff balances out in the end. I love this. Talk about your double standard. You use a glitch to kill your team who are going AFK because CCP made the SP gain tied to time spent in game. Now I dont care you can try this all you want. I have yet to be killed while AFKing because it would take a proto nade to kill me. On top of that if you hop up on the fence in the MCC then you cant kill me with a nade no matter how hard you try. In the end I just find it humurous that people who claim that some people are exploiting the purposeful SP mechanic that CCP put into place will then use a glitch from something that CCP did not intend to kill people who are taking advantage of the intended SP mechanism. In the end they are exactly what they claim AFKers to be...... Eh, maybe. I see 3 key differences though. 1) 1 side uses abuses the SP system for their own gain, using the SP system in a way that wasn't intended. The other side works to inconvenience those who do so by using an unintended in game effect of over cooking a grenade. In ither words, motive is very different between the two and the motive is what anti-AFKers find so despicable. Using it to better yourself at the expense of your team. 2) As I was saying, motive. One side abuses a game mechanic in a way that it was never intended to be used for personal gain to the detriment of their team, the other side uses a bug in a game mechanic to punish those who are abusing a game mechanic in a way that it was never intended to be used to personal gain to the detriment of their team. 3) One side harms their teams chances of winning, the other side attempts to remove the inactive players so new (hopefully active) players can take their place. So, other than.. you know... everything important..... you are totally right. Keep up the good work.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2013.03.29 08:08:00 - [60] - Quote ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Goric Rumis wrote: It's not exactly that I'm morally opposed to it, although it is frustrating to get devastated in a match because a quarter of your team isn't playing. I just don't understand why you would waste the energy. I never AFK, and I still have fun in matches with the SP I've got. It seems like psychologically unhealthy (obsessive-compulsive) behavior. There's a moral argument to be made. They're piggybacking off the work of players who are actually trying to play. Many might be playing for free, but we invest time as well as money into earning sp. Sp that has financial value. If people want to justify AFK farming with claiming the game isn't fun, how does intentionally making it worse give someone any moral highground or even immunity from criticism? I stopped reading and lol'd at "piggibacking"... you're aware that it doesn't matter what teammates do, AFK players get their SP? CCP gives people SP per second. So you can be a bad player and get SP just like a good player. We all contribute to making the game playable. If everybody AFK farmed it would be a major issue that CCP would be compelled to fix asap. Those who actually play are the ones keeping this game afloat. So yes, you are piggybacking off their efforts. So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing. That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it.



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