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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
671
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:27:00 -
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It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.
But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
673
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:28:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:Makuta Miserix wrote:I still think you should be able to push them out of the MCC. This would be a good option or remove the MCC as an optional spawn point. Makes us spawn on the ground. No, makes us spawn in mid air. I like seeing the inertia dampener lol. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
332
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:30:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.
But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you.
Could you post this again so I can like it twice?
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Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
283
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:32:00 -
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I really don't care if people want to AFK farm all day every day. To me it seems like a waste of there time, not mine, so why should I care. But to each there own. They can play there game how they want as long as I can play my game how I want. Man I'm starting to sound like a Gallante. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
673
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:34:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.
But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you. Could you post this again so I can like it twice? It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.
But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2204
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:55:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:It's so sad seeing people trying to justify their AFKing, almost as sad as seeing people caring about what other people do in game.
But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
I don't care what you do in game, but don't lie to yourself thinking your behavior is justified. The game sucks? Don't play. Don't want to lose out on SP? That's fine, just don't come up with all these other BS excuses. Not sure why you aren't willing to fight people with an SP advantage though, newberries do it all the time, I guess they have more balls then you. Could you post this again so I can like it twice? Use an alt? |
sharted pantaloon
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:57:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
Yah, same goes for head shots. Sure, CCP put it into the game, but I highly doubt they ever thought in a million years it would lead to people preferentially shooting others in the head. I mean really, if you want to go running around exploiting this to get faster kills, more power to you, but I shall continue to do it the old fashioned way and shoot them in the center core. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
679
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Posted - 2013.03.29 20:03:00 -
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sharted pantaloon wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: But really if you're AFKing then it's not just CCP's fault. The mechanic may be there because of them, but you're the one choosing to exploit it.
Yah, same goes for head shots. Sure, CCP put it into the game, but I highly doubt they ever thought in a million years it would lead to people preferentially shooting others in the head. I mean really, if you want to go running around exploiting this to get faster kills, more power to you, but I shall continue to do it the old fashioned way and shoot them in the center core. Right...
Anyway Chunky, I'm still waiting for my 2nd like. If it is not delivered within the next 24 hours, you will be hearing from my lawyers. |
The Medic Droid
The Phoenix Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:10:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:The Medic Droid wrote:I was in a match earlier today; went 13 kills 9 deaths and accrued 2025 war points. It was a close battle, we were neck and neck with the enemy team, but ultimately we lost.
Five players were hanging out in the MCC the entire match. Five players that could have turned the tide and helped us to win.
I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle (I was awarded 299,035 isk at the end of the battle). I healed the wounded, revived the fallen, and resupplied the vanguard at every chance. I broke my bank trying to win, matched the enemy blow for blow, and was denied a victory because of the inaction of five people.
And yet the only argument for this practice is "the game is broken," "the game is boring," or "they don't want to lose suits for nothing."
I would like to hear an actual compelling argument. It is very annoying to lose under these circumstances. The compelling reason is in your own argument. There is a reason why there is a downturn in activity among the veteran community. (by veteran i mean every leet player and every player whose character has over 4-5M SP or has been playing since Jan 22nd Open Beta but more so ALL CLOSED TESTERS). We have been doing this for months. We've been dealing with the gameplay bugs and having to deal with the minefield of players who simply don't know what they are doing. Add to this our competitive nature means we would do the same as you to secure the W. But in the end suits, salvage, and ISK are all COMMODITIES that will factor in the upcoming build (6 weeks). When a person can earn nearly the same levels of all of these things from AFKing as they can actually trying to play and gain at ZERO risk people are going to do that because to them the PUB match is not the game. Its the only mode we have now for nearly a year. People are building stockpiles and warchests. As ive said when PC/FW comes both of which will allow for SP/ISK gain as well you will see much of this AFK community disappearing from pubs anyway. Those that would AFK in pubs will also likely play to hit cap as fast as possible to focus on PC/FW. Point is this "widespread" problem will self-resolve in 6 weeks.
The good news that you've given me is that the AFK community will not be around forever; the only downside is that I have to sit on my thumbs for six weeks. Thank you for the reply. |
The Medic Droid
The Phoenix Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:31:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Medic Droid wrote:I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle You should probably work on that. I can lose THREE TANKS and spend less than that with some of my fittings. I have one where I can lose 4 and still be well below that figure.
I always use my optimal logistic suit with equipment tailored to my team's survivability (Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Logistic A-Series, Complex Armor Repair Module, Compact Nanohives, etc); none of which are cheap. I have an extremely competitive personality and I fight every match to win it.
My corp and circle of friends are content with the way I've built my medic and the immediate area that I feel needs to be improved, is my own survivability.
I wouldn't know about tanks, I'm not a vehicle specialist. However, I am acquainted with a few who run tanks worth upwards of 1.2 million isk. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2209
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:40:00 -
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The Medic Droid wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Medic Droid wrote:I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle You should probably work on that. I can lose THREE TANKS and spend less than that with some of my fittings. I have one where I can lose 4 and still be well below that figure. I always use my optimal logistic suit with equipment tailored to my team's survivability (Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Logistic A-Series, Complex Armor Repair Module, Compact Nanohives, etc); none of which are cheap. I have an extremely competitive personality and I fight every match to win it. My corp and circle of friends are content with the way I've built my medic and the immediate area that I feel needs to be improved, is my own survivability. I wouldn't know about tanks, I'm not a vehicle specialist. However, I am acquainted with a few who run tanks worth upwards of 1.2 million isk. And I don't know a single tank driver who's willing to call in a 1 million+ ISK tank into every single battle regardless of what they're doing.
Part of "winning" in New Eden is about making a profit. Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Also, a "suboptimal" fitting with a few steps short of your ideal in certain areas will be more of a challenge because of its reduced capabilities, thus improving your skill even more for when you run the "proper" fitting in a more serious battle where you expect a larger reward. Fighting with a handicap makes you rely less on the maxed-out capabilities of your best equipment.
If you're losing an expensive fitting often enough to run at a loss, you're doing it wrong. |
The Medic Droid
The Phoenix Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:55:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Medic Droid wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Medic Droid wrote:I lose 120,000 isk whenever I die, so I lost 1,080,000 isk from that battle You should probably work on that. I can lose THREE TANKS and spend less than that with some of my fittings. I have one where I can lose 4 and still be well below that figure. I always use my optimal logistic suit with equipment tailored to my team's survivability (Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Logistic A-Series, Complex Armor Repair Module, Compact Nanohives, etc); none of which are cheap. I have an extremely competitive personality and I fight every match to win it. My corp and circle of friends are content with the way I've built my medic and the immediate area that I feel needs to be improved, is my own survivability. I wouldn't know about tanks, I'm not a vehicle specialist. However, I am acquainted with a few who run tanks worth upwards of 1.2 million isk. And I don't know a single tank driver who's willing to call in a 1 million+ ISK tank into every single battle regardless of what they're doing. Part of "winning" in New Eden is about making a profit. Don't use what you can't afford to lose. Also, a "suboptimal" fitting with a few steps short of your ideal in certain areas will be more of a challenge because of its reduced capabilities, thus improving your skill even more for when you run the "proper" fitting in a more serious battle where you expect a larger reward. Fighting with a handicap makes you rely less on the maxed-out capabilities of your best equipment. If you're losing an expensive fitting often enough to run at a loss, you're doing it wrong.
You are correct about a suboptimal fitting improving skill with the optimal one (not to mention the sense of gratification of switching from the former to the latter).
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Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.03.30 00:09:00 -
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Just thought I'd drop by while AFKing, nothing better to do. Just bored I guess. |
sharted pantaloon
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.03.30 00:24:00 -
[104] - Quote
I appreciate whoever it was that tipped me off on throwing the mimic uplink out in the MCC. An extra 200-500 WP per match does come in handy. Heck. Makes me think maybe I should just continue farming after I hit my hard cap. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2013.03.30 00:29:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:Quote:whats the point of getting all the sp and then not doing anything with it cause all you do is afk farm The point is they can accrue SP and ISK without risking any of their own gear in the process. That way, when they actually feel like playing, they'll have plenty of SP and ISK to come into a match with higher end gear and dominate. Then, they can go back and AFK. In the end, it's all gain for little loss yet those who do it do not think it an exploit. It's not really exploiting, it's like all the scumbags who abuse the welfare system and food stamps etc. While 90% of us work our asses off to have a comfortable life. If there is a system in place with possible gain to easily be had, some scumbags will figure out how to abuse it and somehow try to find an excuse to justify it to themselves cause they know they are scumbags. |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
75
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Posted - 2013.03.30 00:31:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:Quote:whats the point of getting all the sp and then not doing anything with it cause all you do is afk farm The point is they can accrue SP and ISK without risking any of their own gear in the process. That way, when they actually feel like playing, they'll have plenty of SP and ISK to come into a match with higher end gear and dominate. Then, they can go back and AFK. In the end, it's all gain for little loss yet those who do it do not think it an exploit. It's not really exploiting, it's like all the scumbags who abuse the welfare system and food stamps etc. While 90% of us work our asses off to have a comfortable life. If there is a system in place with possible gain to easily be had, some scumbags will figure out how to abuse it and somehow try to find an excuse to justify it to themselves cause they know they are scumbags.
More like 53% actually ^ |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.03.30 01:46:00 -
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I actually enjoy AFKing. I look forward to Wednesday so I can log on dust and relax, sometimes I just jump in a LAV and jam it against the wall and lock the stick forward so it sits there burning out the whole match. Then I go scrub my pantaloons and try to get the stains out. (Damn white undies) |
Fellsinner
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.30 01:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
I am against AFK farming because it causes my team to lose occasionally, which costs me SP and thus time in my life. Also, I think it is destructive behavior and will cause other players to do the same thing or just not be good team players. All in all, I think AFK farming can only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.03.30 01:56:00 -
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Fellsinner wrote:I am against AFK farming because it causes my team to lose occasionally, which costs me SP and thus time in my life. Also, I think it is destructive behavior and will cause other players to do the same thing or just not be good team players. All in all, I think AFK farming can only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone.
How can it only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone if I am still having fun? |
Fellsinner
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.30 02:01:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:Fellsinner wrote:I am against AFK farming because it causes my team to lose occasionally, which costs me SP and thus time in my life. Also, I think it is destructive behavior and will cause other players to do the same thing or just not be good team players. All in all, I think AFK farming can only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone. How can it only lead to a less fun and fulfilling game experience for everyone if I am still having fun? You don't count. |
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BlG MAMA
PLAYSTATION4
31
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Posted - 2013.03.30 02:03:00 -
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i dont care about AFK |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.03.30 02:30:00 -
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BlG MAMA wrote:i dont care about AFK
Finally. Someone who's not a massengil around here |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
184
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Posted - 2013.03.30 13:11:00 -
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"even have my 6 yr old nephew AFK farming for me when he comes over, gotta teach em while they are young, don't want him growing up all "waaa waaa, I'm soooo upset. Someone is playing a game differently than I want them too " I cannot believe how many people in this community think there is some sort of honor in online gaming. I have a real life to attend to and cannot waste time caring about what some stranger thinks about how I don't assist them and they lose. Big deal. Get over it. It is a game."
i always wondered where the sucky new players came from. it's not like they were born with a suck level 5000.
so i'd like to say thanks to this old gal for proving the point:
most of you suck. and your kids suck because you suck. you aren't good at gaming so you blame the communtiy for being better at it then you. and then you throw in the "i do stuff" excuse. everyone does. but most of us don't suck as bad as you do. what's worse is you're passing your suck off to some poor kid that doesn't know any better and is probably a better gamer then you. or would have been had you not inflicted your suck mentality on him
oh yeah, in the paragraph above, you didn't need to use all those words just to say you're below average at gaming.
i would assume you teach the kid to cheat in school, too, but you prolly aren't smart enough to pull it off and for sure the kid isn't if he is learning from you.
casuals, dime a dozen. but they still sell for a nickel per 100.
Peace B |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2609
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Posted - 2013.03.30 14:14:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"even have my 6 yr old nephew AFK farming for me when he comes over, gotta teach em while they are young, don't want him growing up all "waaa waaa, I'm soooo upset. Someone is playing a game differently than I want them too " I cannot believe how many people in this community think there is some sort of honor in online gaming. I have a real life to attend to and cannot waste time caring about what some stranger thinks about how I don't assist them and they lose. Big deal. Get over it. It is a game."
i always wondered where the sucky new players came from. it's not like they were born with a suck level 5000.
so i'd like to say thanks to this old gal for proving the point:
most of you suck. and your kids suck because you suck. you aren't good at gaming so you blame the communtiy for being better at it then you. and then you throw in the "i do stuff" excuse. everyone does. but most of us don't suck as bad as you do. what's worse is you're passing your suck off to some poor kid that doesn't know any better and is probably a better gamer then you. or would have been had you not inflicted your suck mentality on him
oh yeah, in the paragraph above, you didn't need to use all those words just to say you're below average at gaming.
i would assume you teach the kid to cheat in school, too, but you prolly aren't smart enough to pull it off and for sure the kid isn't if he is learning from you.
casuals, dime a dozen. but they still sell for a nickel per 100.
Peace B
Why do u always rage quit when u get in a game against us? Finally saw ur "l33t tough guy mr hardcore gamer" ingame and u punk out when ur gettin stomped? but hey it was your bluedots fault right?
3 of u Zion guys left and left behind one of ur corp mates who was sniping. I think YOU need to drop the act of being this greatest hardcore competitive gamer of all time cuz u call out and say Everyone else sucks but dont criticize urself yet we catch u ingame and u either leave at the beginning or midway through.
git gud. |
JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
212
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Posted - 2013.03.30 14:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:"even have my 6 yr old nephew AFK farming for me when he comes over, gotta teach em while they are young, don't want him growing up all "waaa waaa, I'm soooo upset. Someone is playing a game differently than I want them too " I cannot believe how many people in this community think there is some sort of honor in online gaming. I have a real life to attend to and cannot waste time caring about what some stranger thinks about how I don't assist them and they lose. Big deal. Get over it. It is a game."
i always wondered where the sucky new players came from. it's not like they were born with a suck level 5000.
so i'd like to say thanks to this old gal for proving the point:
most of you suck. and your kids suck because you suck. you aren't good at gaming so you blame the communtiy for being better at it then you. and then you throw in the "i do stuff" excuse. everyone does. but most of us don't suck as bad as you do. what's worse is you're passing your suck off to some poor kid that doesn't know any better and is probably a better gamer then you. or would have been had you not inflicted your suck mentality on him
oh yeah, in the paragraph above, you didn't need to use all those words just to say you're below average at gaming.
i would assume you teach the kid to cheat in school, too, but you prolly aren't smart enough to pull it off and for sure the kid isn't if he is learning from you.
casuals, dime a dozen. but they still sell for a nickel per 100.
Peace B Why do u always rage quit when u get in a game against us? Finally saw ur "l33t tough guy mr hardcore gamer" ingame and u punk out when ur gettin stomped? but hey it was your bluedots fault right? 3 of u Zion guys left and left behind one of ur corp mates who was sniping. I think YOU need to drop the act of being this greatest hardcore competitive gamer of all time cuz u call out and say Everyone else sucks but dont criticize urself yet we catch u ingame and u either leave at the beginning or midway through. git gud. Peace B. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
184
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Posted - 2013.03.30 15:15:00 -
[116] - Quote
1 homie gets disconnected and the rest went to stay in squad & you think that's a rage quit?
never heard of you, kid.
next!
Peace B |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
423
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Posted - 2013.03.30 16:45:00 -
[117] - Quote
i'll say it again since people are too thick skulled to get it.
If you have a problem with it tell CCP and force them to change it.
Moreover this "problem" self corrects in 6 weeks.
Where are all the large player groups who scoffed at the idea of scaring off new FPS players because lack of gameplay and stuff the FPS vets pushed for saying this game would lose FPS players and responsed CCP knows what they are doing and thats why EVE has grown for the past 10 years?
Seems like the prospect of losing new players that could be potential ISK/Gear farms has them singing a different tune |
sharted pantaloon
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.03.31 03:47:00 -
[118] - Quote
Chunky Munkey wrote:So that fact that skirmish hasn't worked for a month, isn't a major issue they've felt compelled to fix then. The game being garbage and busted at the same time, I would have thought is a fairly major issue that needs fixing.
That's kinda beside the point. As long as people are playing, CCP will have data to work with. The gameplay means nothing if players aren't actually using it.[/quote]
So, it's really our duty to abuse the SP system by farming. Otherwise, they might not know it's not working. I guess some people just don't have a strong enough moral ethic to help CCP improve the game. All they are interested in is the next pub stomp. |
Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1002
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Posted - 2013.03.31 03:50:00 -
[119] - Quote
Whenever I am on these forums I am AFKing in the game. And yes, as of this post, I am AFKing. Might as well get SP for "playing" on these forums. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1807
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:00:00 -
[120] - Quote
Logi Bro wrote:Whenever I am on these forums I am AFKing in the game. And yes, as of this post, I am AFKing. Might as well get SP for "playing" on these forums. left Zion too? Or am I confusing you with another logi bro
And even the SP campers don't agree this is fair or right - it's just simply there and they'll take advantage of CCP's public display of stupidity. How is a public display you ask? They asked us for the best SP solution - then gave us ultimatums to pick from. We do - all the while giving facts and opinions on why not to do certain things. The biggest one I remember was AFK farming becoming a big problem later on with 1 sp every second or so. they ignored that pretty big warning - so now we're doing it. It's not really surprising. People can't figure out why our community supports this. Well, let me lay it down now. We don't, this is us trolling CCP. With the level of complaints and threads the topic is getting - it's sure to be solved quickly come next week. And another FYI - it didn't become popular until Kain was caught doing it. You're all just after Kains glory ;) |
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