I like 2, while on that matter, can we distribute the merc pack goodies among characters? kinds sucks to have 2 dragonflies and toxins in my main and none on my alt.

I like 2, while on that matter, can we distribute the merc pack goodies among characters? kinds sucks to have 2 dragonflies and toxins in my main and none on my alt.

So I went ahead and did the math. In 1 month your total SP earned should be 761.6 without boosters, assuming you hit the cap each week and not factoring any SP you got after capping. With a booster that becomes 1142.4 SP. The difference between the two is 380.8.

So then the question becomes, is getting your Merc pack refunded worth losing 380.8 SP per pack?

I think you should have 2 options.

1. Give up 380.8 SP SP per pack and receive your Merc Packs with the 30-day booster included.
2. Or lose no SP and receive the Merc Pack without the booster. Maybe throw in a three day booster as a gift.

Either option should leave your assets untouched, that includes any unused boosters.
So you would still have twice the items, just not the extra SP.

Both of these options would appear on the screen on the day of "commercial release " and you would pick which one is more convenient for you.

Option 2 is really only there for those not interested in grinding again.

I bought all my merc packs during closed beta and choose neither option full refund of all items and aurum is the one I choose as an early supporter of CCP and dust I should reap the benefit's of doing so.

I bought 4 of them during the beta just an fyi

no one's going to get a second booster or anything else.

Early supporter of CCP? You had an EVE account 10 years ago did you?

Oh, and everyone who buys stuff is supporting Dust, not sure what makes you think your special. People who buy stuff right now are also supporting Dust and they don't get a refund. Double the items seems like a good enough "reward" for your "support".

Claiming you support CCP while trying to take advantage of a technicality? P'shhh

Then they would complain that the terms of sale where violated anyway since the booster was part of the original sale, I think... right? and must therefore also be refunded.

The only way refunding without the booster would work is if it was replaced by something of equal value. Is 308.8 SP not of equal value to the 30-day booster?

Then they would complain that the terms of sale where violated anyway since the booster was part of the original sale, I think... right? and must therefore also be refunded.

The only way refunding without the booster would work is if it was replaced by something of equal value. Is 308.8 SP not of equal value to the 30-day booster?

Then they would complain that the terms of sale where violated anyway since the booster was part of the original sale, I think... right? and must therefore also be refunded.

The only way refunding without the booster would work is if it was replaced by something of equal value. Is 308.8 SP not of equal value to the 30-day booster?

a reasonable person would draw the conclusion that the promise of items being credited to the player's account was a promise that the items purchased would not be lost during a reset.

I am not trying to take advantage of anything the slogan when the merc pack came out was buy them once use them twice

If they were going to give you sp in replace of the booster what would be the point just give the booster back and your math is off each 30-day booster is worth 408,000 sp so if they gave me sp instead of my booster's that would be 1,632,000 sp

I bought all my merc packs during closed beta and choose neither option full refund of all items and aurum is the one I choose as an early supporter of CCP and dust I should reap the benefit's of doing so.

I bought 4 of them during the beta just an fyi

Ughhh... no, they would take the SP from everyone who bought the merc pack back in CR first, and then either give you the SP back or give the booster.

And my math isn't off, the current cap is 190.400 unboosted. A booster raises it to 285.6.
1,142,400 is what you can get in a month, or 4 weeks with a booster. Not sure where the hell you got 1,632,000 from

1,632,000? Oh, so now you want an entire months, aside from you math being wrong here, worth of SP without having to work for it too? SMH

Oh and since everyone is being literal minded in regards to the wording of MP, Look CCP can take things literally too


So while a SP reset can't/wont happen, an SP cut is completely fair game. Since you guys want to take everything so literally when you feel it's convenient for you.

Pardon me for asking for so much, but can you post your formula?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=527997

Weekly cap is 190.4 (thousand, obviously)
Using a booster raises it by 50% or 1.5
That's 285.6
Multiply both by 4, since that's how many weeks are in 30-days or a month

The unboosted SP cap for a month is 761.6
With the booster it becomes 1142.4

So I then just subtracted the SP they would have gotten without the booster from the one that they'd get with booster, the difference is 380.8.

So with my system they would still keep the SP they worked for, just not any they received from the 30-day boosters. Also bare in mind that I'm not even touching any SP earned after the cap.

am I correct to assume that we are ONLY talking about the merc packs that were purchased during CLOSED BETA and had the "commercial release" clause in the description before the removal of said description?

Yes, that is what people are trying to take advantage of, since "refund at commercial release" obviously translates to 2 boosters for the price of 1

Yes, that is what people are trying to take advantage of, since "refund at commercial release" obviously translates to 2 boosters for the price of 1

"During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release." are the words that in fantasy land mean you get two but only pay for one.

Edit: Maken, the Merc Packs for sale at Gamestop still say it.

"During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release." are the words that in fantasy land mean you get two but only pay for one.

Edit: Maken, the Merc Packs for sale at Gamestop still say it.

"During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release." are the words that in fantasy land mean you get two but only pay for one.

Edit: Maken, the Merc Packs for sale at Gamestop still say it.

...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release

*emphasis added

I've already presented CCP with an excellent way of dealing with this:

Give those who want (hell if I want) the option to get back their AUR and BPCs in exchange they get reset as promised for the Commercial Release.

It's not vague language, it's extremely clearly written. The Merc pack includes all this stuff to use in the beta, and AGAIN at commercial release. No one is trying to be sneaky here or get anything extra out of this. We just want the very clearly written deal that we purchased.

actually I agree with this reset all the chars that want one and refund those specific characters and account their aurum and packs.

then everyone gets what they want.

so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.

so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.

Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low.

it's what you want

It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up?

You were indeed promised a refund at release.

...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release

*emphasis added

It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up?

B/c people may be seeing the threat of a lawsuit as the "catastrophic event" they alluded to being the only reason for a reset.

its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.

B/c people may be seeing the threat of a lawsuit as the "catastrophic event" they alluded to being the only reason for a reset.

Who are you to make offers to people? LOL

read the terms again, you are simply wrong.



its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.

As in the Merc pack being given back to you, sheesh, do you take everything so literally? Cause I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant -_-

read the terms again, you are simply wrong.



its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.

Um, you are basically saying what Sloth9230 already said only in a different way. I don't see why you continue to argue like this.

no, I didn't understand what you meant, because I don't understand why you think people who bought the merc pack should have their characters reset in order to receive the items we bought. It's a ridiculous argument with seemingly no logical reasoning behind it. There's no reason to change the purchase agreement post facto. At commercial release CCP fulfills the Merc Pack purchases, the end.

I don't understand why it needs to be complicated or why players who bought it should be punished for seemingly arbitrary reasons.

no, I didn't understand what you meant, because I don't understand why you think people who bought the merc pack should have their characters reset in order to receive the items we bought. It's a ridiculous argument with seemingly no logical reasoning behind it. There's no reason to change the purchase agreement post facto. At commercial release CCP fulfills the Merc Pack purchases, the end.

I don't understand why it needs to be complicated or why players who bought it should be punished for seemingly arbitrary reasons.

I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back.

I said SP cut, something you had already agreed to in Maken's thread.

I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back. I just don't see why it's necessary. Seems like a complicated way of fixing a simple problem,

Ughhh... no, they would take the SP from everyone who bought the merc pack back in CR first, and then either give you the SP back or give the booster.

And my math isn't off, the current cap is 190.400 unboosted. A booster raises it to 285.6.
1,142,400 is what you can get in a month, or 4 weeks with a booster. Not sure where the hell you got 1,632,000 from

1,632,000? Oh, so now you want an entire months, aside from you math being wrong here, worth of SP without having to work for it too? SMH

Oh and since everyone is being literal minded in regards to the wording of MP, Look CCP can take things literally too


So while a SP reset can't/wont happen, an SP cut is completely fair game. Since you guys want to take everything so literally when you feel it's convenient for you.

You get 95,200 sp each week extra with a booster so 95,200*4=380,800 then 95,200/7=13600 a day so 13,600*2=27,200 so 380,800+27,200= 408,000 per each 30-day booster which I had 4*408,000= 1,632,000 of so your idea is to take that sp away and then give it back or a 30 day booster. Which doesn't make any sense in essence you want to punish those who bought pack's

Like I said in the other thread you didn't buy a merc pack in the first place so your opinion doesn't matter as it doesn't concern you. I like how the guy who didn't buy one has an offer for the one's who did like your CCP

You get 95,200 sp each week extra with a booster so 95,200*4=380,800

Like I said in the other thread you didn't buy a merc pack in the first place so your opinion doesn't matter as it doesn't concern you. I like how the guy who didn't buy one has an offer for the one's who did like your CCP

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=651088#post651088



Is that what you meant?

The best part about locked threads is that no one has a chance to edit what they already posted on them.

I don't have any reason to edit that. It's clearly written and I stand by it.

If they can figure up the exact SP I gained using the booster, they can take it and give me the booster back. However, that's a hypothetical situation, and although I would be willing to accept it, I just don't see WHY this would be necessary. Since, in all likelihood, CCP will simply honor the original terms of the Merc Pack and five everyone that bought a Merc Pack the Merc Pack items they promised us at commercial release, what we are left with in this thread is a conversation about the principle.

this thread is a conversation about the principle.

Right or wrong, it's

not

going

to

happen.

And I stand by what I said about the original agreement having already been honored. Any item you bought would have stayed with you into CR if you hadn't used it, that too me is CCP honoring the original agreement.

It was dumb for them to include the "commercial release" clause, but people, not saying you necessarily, trying to get something out of a simple mistake is them just being greedy IMO.

Really, this all comes down to CCP's penchant for making promises first and asking questions later. They seem to have zero PR or customer relation skills.

They want to have their official release early without calling it a release, so as to avoid getting reviewed and being held to a "commercial release" standard, but they expect the players to treat the game as a finished product when it is convenient for CCP for us to do so.

This isn't a situation in which the two sides involved are players who bought a merc pack and players who didn't, this is a situation between a multimillion dollar gaming company and the paying customers who can't get that company to clearly explain what we are getting with the money we paid.

I bought the merc pack under a specific set of conditions with clear wording and an assurance by CCP representatives that the items most certainly would never be "used up" on the beta. They went to great lengths to assure us that we would get all of those items back at commercial release when people argued on the forums that it was a bad idea to sell things for real world currency in a beta.

Now they've decided to rework all of that, and guess what, all of this stuff we are buying in the beta is being used up and won't be refunded at commercial release. Even the stuff that CLEARLY states within the purchase order that this most decidedly WILL NOT be the case.

CCP wants to have their cake and eat it too, and they seem to hope that we all have the short memories and attention spans on the stereotypical console FPS player. So many seem to have forgotten these discussions, or simply weren't around for them in the first place, but I assure you that this discussion goes back the better part of a year, and CCP seem to have done a complete 180.

Likely because of this history, they are now afraid to respond to questions about this issue.

If you purchased from Gamestop (before they fix their wording), or if you purchased the pre-change Merc Pack from the PS Store when they were still using that wording, you're entitled to a refund of the contents of the Merc Pack.

Everything in the pack should be made available to you.

I think there should be at least the first two of the following 3 options. The third is an alternative extra option to give players for completeness:

1. Full character reset if the player opts to do so. ALL characters on the account get a FULL reset to their starting stats, and ALL the Merc Pack content is refunded as promised. You get your Merc Pack boosters back. You get the Aurum you spent on boosters back. You lose all your ISK. You lose all your gear. You lose all your accumulated SP. This satisfies the legal requirements of the Merc Pack, and it can be argued that the legal situation around the Merc Packs is a significant enough "catastrophe" to allow CCP to reset players who choose this option.

2. The suggestion I keep making... Reset all Aurum purchases and all bundle GEAR, but not the Boosters. If you didn't use the Booster, you still have it ready to use. If you did, you keep the SP you earned with it. I'm tempted to say they should refund EVERYTHING in terms of Gear - all your purchases made with ISK should be returned to the marketplace and you should be reimbursed the cost. Keep in mind that if someone WANTS their Boosters back, they can still choose the first option and get the Booster to use again. They just don't get to keep their SP or ISK at the same time.

3. Your Merc Pack is treated as a post-correction Merc Pack, meaning you only keep what you still have left, since we're past the final reset. This should be an option, not something that is force on anyone.

Again, nowhere does anything talk about a "refund" of these items. It says in no uncertain terms that you will be awarded all the items in the Merc Pack again at commercial release. There's no tricky wording required, no refunds neccessary.

Stop right there, not sure what everything else is about.


Sorry but what CCP decides affects everyone, not not just the original buyers. Of course I didn't buy one, I couldn't have bought one, I was told about Dust after it went into OB. And whether I bought one or not is irrelevant anyway.

What's your total lifetime SP?

408,000=30 day booster

Actually, it says "credited in full" which means the replacement of that which was removed or a payment from a second party to the first party on behalf of a third party before payment is received by the second party from the third party. A "credit" is not the creation of anything but merely a way to move a certain value from place to place. You can not be credited that which you currently posses. Don't know if I mention that or not.

EDIT: I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated.

I'll admit "Fantasy Land" was a bit harsh. Perhaps "mininformed land". Look, legally speaking this is all very simple. When you purchased the Merc Pack it listed the contents and their quantity. That is what you agreed to buy and that is what Sony/CCP agreed to sell you. Unless it explicitly states that you will receive an additional, let's say, booster you have no right to expect anything.[?quote]

It DOES "explicity" state exactly this:



That's precisely the problem. It says exactly what you are implying that it doesn't say.




No, because the item includes another Merc Pack to be "credited in full" for the commercial release. The terms are clear, there's no tricky wording to have to try and understand. It's simple, concise language with what appears to be a very clear and direct meaning.

[quote=Altina]
There is no way they are obligated to just give you a new one while letting you keep the old one. They are obligated to do one of the following things:

Full Refund

Jack ****

And before all the arguing starts I'm not saying you bought "just one thing, so that's all I think you should get". I'm saying that is all they are legally required to provide you. In the case that you did not receive a certain item you agreed to purchase they are obligated to send you the item, and item of equal value, or to refund you the money you spent for that specific item. In the event that the item did not conform to your expectations they are obligated to provide a refund only and can require the item be returned before issuing the refund. There's no wiggle room with this stuff. Companies are very good about protecting themselves from anything that is implied, which is exactly what this is.

Although, the actual merc pack did say that all AUR will be refunded on commercial release so they might have to actually do that.

You'd rather loose 408,000 SP instead 380,800? Hey man, w/e ever floats your boat.

This.

Getting the contents "credited in full" means that anything you used up is restored, and anything you still have remains.

The Merc Pack included 50 Shotguns. If you still have 20 on Commercial Release, you don't end up with 70. You keep the 20 you already have, and get another 30 to top you back up to the 50 contained in the pack.

If you gave your Dragonfly BPO and your Toxin BPO to a character you later deleted, you get them back to assign to a new character. You don't get replacements without the original contents being reset.

If you'd prefer, you can think of the credit as being a deletion of the Merc Pack content you currently have, then the supply of replacements for all of it. That's effectively how it's meant to work based on the wording we were given.

So once again where do you get this I will lose sp in the first place Idea oh that's right that is your offer to people who bought merc pack's so once again didn't know you work for CCP and can make such offer's on their behalf

CCP reads these forums, and I'm pretty sure they'll read this thread. Peoples response to this thread should give them a general idea whether this idea is good or not.

From what I can tell most of the one's who like the idea are people like you who didn't buy the merc pack's in the first place.

Secondly input from those who this actually effect is the only input CCP should look at as non-buyer's have a bias opinion on the subject .

Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable. As long as I have all of the items from the Merc Pack at commercial release in my character's possession, and my progress isn't reset out of spite for wanting to recieve the thing I spent $20 on, I'll be happy. It's a simple solution that the naysayers are making complicated for apparently no good reason as far as I can tell.

The part where it's tricky is in the SP Boosters - both the Booster that comes with the pack, AND any Boosters purchased with Merc Pack Aurum.

Refunding these effectively means they've given you two boosters if they don't reset you as well. That means you're getting more than you should be entitiled to, unless it comes with a reset of SP. If you get the Boosters back after using them, CCP get complaints from people who didn't buy the pack because they've been given more than they paid for, and more than they're entitled to.

I think, for all the non-Booster items, and for any Aurum spent on something OTHER than a Booster, it's an easy "give it back, take what it was spent on" solution.

If you bought gear with Aurum, the gear is wiped, and the Aurum refunded. Any gear you were given in the Merc Pack is returned to you. Those Shotguns, Stimulants, etc. are all restored to the original amount you purchased. That's easy.

BOOSTERS are the problem. There are legitimate grounds for people to object to us being given back those Boosters without any loss of the SP we earned using them.

They have the option - which I think is fair - to (optionally, at the player's discretion) reset SP on those players who are adamant that they should have everything back. They can also say that you still have the Booster, since the function of the Booster is to increase your SP. You have elevated SP, therefore you still have the Booster.

It's possible they might wipe ONLY the SP you earned specifically due to the use of the Booster, if they have comprehensive enough records to do so. It would cause a mess when you consider the loss of already-spent SP though. Do you get your skills wiped so you can re-allocate everything? Do they un-train skills in the reverse of the order you trained them? Do they let you keep the skills you've trained, but have your "unallocated" SP count in the negative and need to build it into positive before you can buy new skills? It would be more of a mess doing it that way, and simply NOT refunding Boosters is a far simpler - yet still fair - method of refunding the contents of the Merc Pack.

Yup, it seems the main argument against the people who bought the Merc Pack actually getting the offer that they purchased boils down to "well, that's too good of a deal, so you shouldn't get it". As far as I'm concerned, they need to take that issue up with CCP. I didn't write the offer, CCP did. I just took them up on it, and now I expect them to honor it without screwing me out of spite or in order to facilitate the jealousy of the players who didn't get in on the deal.

The booster is one of the items that was included in the contents of the merc pack though and it's not like the description said you will not get any aurum back that you spent on booster's

they need to take that issue up with CCP.

You have got to be ******* kidding me. That's the main argument against it? The most compelling reason against what you're saying you should receive is we're jealous? Ok, just so long as you understand that my objection to it has nothing to do with jealousy it's fine. I can handle not being "the main argument".

your argument makes no sense if not chalked up to either jealousy or spite. The wording of the Merc Pack is clear, and you are arguing that it does not say what it says... or does not MEAN what it says.

your argument makes no sense if not chalked up to either jealousy or spite. The wording of the Merc Pack is clear, and you are arguing that it does not say what it says... or does not MEAN what it says.

No, but as I said, there's a reasonable argument allowing for the claim that you still have those things, and you shouldn't expect to be given back something you still have. Just like someone who still has their Dragonfly suit isn't expecting a second one. They're expecting to EITHER have it reset (removed from currently-assigned character, available to give back to that character or assign to one of the others on the account) or left alone.

You still have the boosted SP that is the final state in which the Booster ends up. Therefore, logically, it may be stated that you still have the Booster. It depends whether you define the Booster as the initial item before use, or by its effect. And if you definie it as the initial item, then you aren't "losing" the previous Booster by having your SP reset in order to get the replacement.

You should stop making yourself look like a fool.

great counter argument, you've convinced me. Forget what the merc pack said, I don't want to get the things I paid for because it apparently makes me "look like a fool".

If CCP want's to follow the suggestion's of you people then they can expect no more purchase's from me

I doubt CCP wants the business of someone so eager to exploit their current situation.

So taking 380 SP out of your SP pool is somehow alienating you? How have you survived so long in this cruel cruel world?

If everyone got reset at CR then it would still be the same thing, but oh no because then "CCP lied about no more resets". Please you people are never happy, and you're just trying to take advantage of the situation by them stating there wouldn't be anymore resets in a greedy little attempt to double down on your purchase.

CCP should just give us all 5 mill SP at CR and be done with this situation.

yes, us evil paying customers trying to "take advantage" of the multimillion dollar company. Clearly, the people who paid for a product that we haven't received are the greedy ones.

yes, us evil paying customers trying to "take advantage" of the multimillion dollar company. Clearly, the people who paid for a product that we haven't received are the greedy ones.

Go talk to sony customer service for a refund.

What exactly do you think the purpose of these forums are? Next time someone makes a thread about a weapon being UP/OP or w/e what are you going to say, take it up with CCP?

Jealousy? If I remember right, there was an event where CCP gave out 1 mill SP to CB testers. That's fine, it was gift from CCP. This is different, this isn't a gift nor was it "too good of an offer", because double the SP was never the offer in the first place.

Garret is right, If you didn't use the booster then you still have it, if you did you did use it then you still have it but in the form of Sp. Right now all I see is people trying to have their cake and eat it.

You bought 1 booster, not 2, not 1 you could use twice, just 1. If you still have the boosted SP then you have been given something of equal value, the sp itself, that fulfills the terms of the sale.

Edit: and no I don't speak for CCP, neither do any of you, CCP can decide if my opinion on the issue is of value to them, not you. Ultimately CCP will decide what to do with all of you, I'm just presenting them with options. Don't like those options? Take it up with CCP.

I don't know if this is possible but why don't they just do this.

Choice of two options.

1. If you want your Aurum refunded you get a full reset to all your characters. SP/ISK/Aurum everything.
2. If you don't want your Aurum reset you stay were your at and nothing happens.

I'm sure this may not be possible from a logistics stand point or from time and man hours stand point. But this would give the people who want here aurum refunded and the people who don't really care to keep what they want. Just an idea.

CCP's marketing strategy for the Merc pack when it was first released was Buy it once use it twice they said that not me. So you are wrong on the 1 not 2 deal as that was one of the key selling point's CCP was using

I doubt CCP wants the business of someone so eager to exploit their current situation.

So taking 380,000 SP out of your SP pool is somehow alienating you? How have you survived so long in this cruel cruel world?

If everyone got reset at CR then it would still be the same thing, but oh no because then "CCP lied about no more resets". Please you people are never happy, and you're just trying to take advantage of the situation by them stating there wouldn't be anymore resets in a greedy little attempt to double down on your purchase.

CCP should just give us all 5 mill SP at CR and be done with this situation.

See your whole solution is to take sp away from only merc pack user's if there was a full reset of everyone at CR then that would be different as it would effect everyone and everyone would be back at square not just merc pack user's who would lose sp with your "solution" which is to take away 4 months of boosted sp in my case with 4 -30day boosters

Nope, it never promised that. That original agreement was under the assumption there would be a reset at CR, it was never intended as 2 for 1 deal. Pretending it was would be stupid and greedy.

I don't have to give you a reason to take my opinion seriously. You aren't CCP and therefore it makes no difference whether you consider my opinion valid or not. But what ever happens here effects everyone, not just those who originally bought the merc pack. I could go to Gamestop though, buy a merc pack and then I could say w/e the hell I want right?

Aren't satisfied with your product? Take it up Sony or CCP.

If the booster gets refunded then why should you keep it's effects? That wasn't part of the original agreement. You were promised that the booster would get returned to you at CR, not that you'd get to keep the SP as well.

No the booster is gone as in used so I don't have the booster an once again the solution is to have only merc pack buyer's SP reset so you want CCP to alienate one of the primary target's those who spend cash which is the ultimate goal of a F2P game.

I don't know about anyone else but I spent 100$ 4 merc pack's and a couple 20k aurum pack's and that was just during the closed beta.

If CCP want's to follow the suggestion's of you people then they can expect no more purchase's from me

EXACTLY what CCP

@Calgoth Reborn

I'm going to stop responding to you now because you're making this about me and not about my proposal. I could go buy a merc pack at Gamestop, since they still have the description from before it was changed, but it's not worth spending 20$ just so you'll listen to my opinion on this.


No, it's not, but since you want to go by exactly what they say, then you should understand that cutting your SP is perfectly within reason, since they never said they wouldn't. Sorry if that makes you feel alienated.

Take it up with Sony or Gamestop, they bought the merc pack and then resold it to you. Your transaction was with them, not CCP.

I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated.

Most of these guys are probably kids who think $20 is worth arguing over.

Actually, it says "credited in full" which means the replacement of that which was removed or a payment from a second party to the first party on behalf of a third party before payment is received by the second party from the third party. A "credit" is not the creation of anything but merely a way to move a certain value from place to place. You can not be credited that which you currently posses. Don't know if I mention that or not.

EDIT: I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated.

One thing I forgot to ask. When the customer rep said "they" did she mean "SONY" or did she mean "CCP?"

It DOES "explicity" state exactly this:



That's precisely the problem. It says exactly what you are implying that it doesn't say.

Well apparently he spent $100 on this, but I still don't see why he thinks he's entitled to keep the bonus SP and get the boosters back.

So? If I did that I wouldn't care. I got the SP and suits. I got my moneys worth. I don't see the point why he has to punish people who really dont give half a fk. I say just reset people who want their precious AUR back (By that I mean character wipe).

I personally WILL quit if CCP resets my SP. Probably cancel my eve sub too. I don't play eve much anyways :).

I've bought at least two merc packs that I have used in game and the one I bought in closed beta was again given to me when I started open beta. In open beta, I've used up most of what had come with the merc packs. As they were used and there is no reset, there is no reason I would want a refund for them. If there was going to be a reset though, that'd be a different story.
The way I see it, those that want a refund are just trying to take advantage of what was previously typed because CCP was initially planning on another reset at full release.

Ok imma post the terms:
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/Malcolm_Nolasco/84408BE4-4B12-46FF-B09D-90EB0BF361D3-3593-000003042D57FE42_zpsdd8700e1.jpg

So:
1. Ccp must refund us merc pack items OR its equivalent on commercial release
2. The refund can NOT be monetary (so we can put that to rest)


THAT SAID the FIRST word from ccp that the merc pack would no longer be refunded was TWO ******* WEEKS INTO THE OPEN BETA.
As seen here: http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/Malcolm_Nolasco/14275D21-5D1C-4E4C-B8A4-D8B810E6036F-3593-0000030436BF73CD_zps476699f5.jpg

So people saying "your mad because you wasted your aur" IS SLIGHTLY BS because they had at least 2 weeks of not knowing that they weren't getting a refund, even LONGER unless you follow every obscure forum post and IRC chat. THERE WAS NO FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT. No it was a forum post on the third page of a random thread not even talking about merc packs.

Facts.

The most unfortunate problem of this entire argument.

Those who think they deserve something at launch.

Don't quote nor consider the ENTIRE Item description page.

The most unfortunate problem of this entire argument.

Those who think they deserve something at launch.

Don't quote nor consider the ENTIRE Item description page.

The DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack grants immediate full beta access plus 40,000 Aurum to spend in-game, a 30-day skill booster (+50%) and the following exclusive gear:

'Dragonfly' Scout dropsuit x 1 (Unlimited)
'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun x 1 (Unlimited)
HK4M Shotgun x 50
Hacked Drop Uplink x 50
Fused Locus Grenade x 50
1.5dn Myofibril Stimulant x 50

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