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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:18:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:I bought all my merc packs during closed beta and choose neither option full refund of all items and aurum is the one I choose as an early supporter of CCP and dust I should reap the benefit's of doing so.
I bought 4 of them during the beta just an fyi
Am I correct to assume that all of the merc packs that you bought had the "commercial release" clause on them at the time of purchase? Remember, we're talking about the merc packs that had the clause before CCP changed it. If you're including the ones that didn't have the clause after the change, then that is just greed.
EDIT:
Question.
When exactly did CCP change that clause? An exact date is preferred. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote: If they were going to give you sp in replace of the booster what would be the point just give the booster back and your math is off each 30-day booster is worth 408,000 sp so if they gave me sp instead of my booster's that would be 1,632,000 sp
Ughhh... no, they would take the SP from everyone who bought the merc pack back in CR first, and then either give you the SP back or give the booster. And my math isn't off, the current cap is 190.400 unboosted. A booster raises it to 285.6. 1,142,400 is what you can get in a month, or 4 weeks with a booster. Not sure where the hell you got 1,632,000 from 1,632,000? Oh, so now you want an entire months, aside from you math being wrong here, worth of SP without having to work for it too? SMH Oh and since everyone is being literal minded in regards to the wording of MP, Look CCP can take things literally too Quote:We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic. So while a SP reset can't/wont happen, an SP cut is completely fair game. Since you guys want to take everything so literally when you feel it's convenient for you.
Pardon me for asking for so much, but can you post your formula? |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:36:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: Pardon me for asking for so much, but can you post your formula?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=527997Weekly cap is 190.4 (thousand, obviously) Using a booster raises it by 50% or 1.5 That's 285.6 Multiply both by 4, since that's how many weeks are in 30-days or a month The unboosted SP cap for a month is 761.6 With the booster it becomes 1142.4 So I then just subtracted the SP they would have gotten without the booster from the one that they'd get with booster, the difference is 380.8. So with my system they would still keep the SP they worked for, just not any they received from the 30-day boosters. Also bare in mind that I'm not even touching any SP earned after the cap.
OK. Thank you very much. The reason I ask is not for the sake of me but for the sake of letting everyone know what formula is used. Also, since my question has been left unanswered from the previous thread (the one that got locked), am I correct to assume that we are ONLY talking about the merc packs that were purchased during CLOSED BETA and had the "commercial release" clause in the description before the removal of said description? |
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:47:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: am I correct to assume that we are ONLY talking about the merc packs that were purchased during CLOSED BETA and had the "commercial release" clause in the description before the removal of said description? Yes, that is what people are trying to take advantage of, since "refund at commercial release" obviously translates to 2 boosters for the price of 1
Ok, once again, thank you very much. It's just that I have this nagging feeling that there are people out there wanting to take advantage of refunding ALL merc packs even the ones that they bought AFTER the removal of said "commercial release" clause. At that point, then greed is taking over their rationale. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:03:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: am I correct to assume that we are ONLY talking about the merc packs that were purchased during CLOSED BETA and had the "commercial release" clause in the description before the removal of said description? Yes, that is what people are trying to take advantage of, since "refund at commercial release" obviously translates to 2 boosters for the price of 1 "During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release." are the words that in fantasy land mean you get two but only pay for one. Edit: Maken, the Merc Packs for sale at Gamestop still say it.
Then it looks like Gamestop is screwing things up for CCP. I stopped trusting Gamestop a long time ago ever since that whole Deux Ex: Human Revolution problem they started.
http://www.1up.com/news/deus-ex-pc-pulled-gamestop-onlive-code |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:07:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Get in touch with Gamestop immediately. They are screwing things up with the merc packs and it looks like they are just copying and pasting outdated descriptions onto them.
Sincerely,
Maken. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:22:00 -
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@Baal
I understand what Altina meant. He was talking about the fact that Gamestop is using an outdated description when CCP has already removed the "commercial release" clause from the merc packs on PSN. This will cause problems with CCP and we all know how shadey Gamestop really is. I think this is recent because I don't remember seeing anyone buying merc packs from Gamestop during closed beta. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:26:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low.
It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up? |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:35:00 -
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Dr Stabwounds wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low. It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up? B/c people may be seeing the threat of a lawsuit as the "catastrophic event" they alluded to being the only reason for a reset.
Then that is stupid. |
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:37:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: It's not vague language, it's extremely clearly written. The Merc pack includes all this stuff to use in the beta, and AGAIN at commercial release. No one is trying to be sneaky here or get anything extra out of this. We just want the very clearly written deal that we purchased.
You were indeed promised a refund at release. read the terms again, you are simply wrong. Quote: ...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release
*emphasis added
its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
Um, you are basically saying what Sloth9230 already said only in a different way. I don't see why you continue to argue like this. |
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:41:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
As in the Merc pack being given back to you, sheesh, do you take everything so literally? Cause I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant -_- no, I didn't understand what you meant, because I don't understand why you think people who bought the merc pack should have their characters reset in order to receive the items we bought. It's a ridiculous argument with seemingly no logical reasoning behind it. There's no reason to change the purchase agreement post facto. At commercial release CCP fulfills the Merc Pack purchases, the end. I don't understand why it needs to be complicated or why players who bought it should be punished for seemingly arbitrary reasons.
Sloth is talking about a "PARTIAL" reset which only involves the amount of SP gained from using the boosters that came with the merc packs that had the "commercial release" clause on it during closed beta. Nothing about it is hard to understand.
CCP said they won't do a total reset (as in all SP gone). If you want to be technical about it, that means they can do a partial reset as described on the OP. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:51:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I said SP cut, something you had already agreed to in Maken's thread.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=651088#post651088
Baal Roo wrote:
I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back. I just don't see why it's necessary. Seems like a complicated way of fixing a simple problem,
Is that what you meant?
The best part about locked threads is that no one has a chance to edit what they already posted on them. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:
You get 95,200 sp each week extra with a booster so 95,200*4=380,800 then 95,200/7=13600 a day so 13,600*2=27,200 so 380,800+27,200= 408,000 per each 30-day booster which I had 4*408,000= 1,632,000 of so your idea is to take that sp away and then give it back or a 30 day booster. Which doesn't make any sense in essence you want to punish those who bought pack's
Like I said in the other thread you didn't buy a merc pack in the first place so your opinion doesn't matter as it doesn't concern you. I like how the guy who didn't buy one has an offer for the one's who did like your CCP
What's your total lifetime SP? |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:08:00 -
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I only bought one merc pack (the one with just the 40,000+3,000 AUR) and used only a small fraction of the AURUM to buy the boosters. I don't think I'll miss those 408,000 SP when I already have like 4million SP.
That was back in closed beta when it had the clause in question. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:15:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
I don't have any reason to edit that. It's clearly written and I stand by it.
If they can figure up the exact SP I gained using the booster, they can take it and give me the booster back. However, that's a hypothetical situation, and although I would be willing to accept it, I just don't see WHY this would be necessary. Since, in all likelihood, CCP will simply honor the original terms of the Merc Pack and five everyone that bought a Merc Pack the Merc Pack items they promised us at commercial release, what we are left with in this thread is a conversation about the principle.
Ok, now that we cleared that out, let's move on.
Let's review here:
You, me and Sloth agree that we are talking about partial resets here. Not a complete resets since CCP already said that a complete reset is out of the question. Correct? And that you and I don't mind giving up the boosted SP if it means giving us back the boosters that gave us those SP, correct?
Good.
Let's move on. I'm getting tired of heated debates. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:37:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote: I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated.
Well, that practically changes everything. So you mean to tell me all of us here have been worried over nothing? |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:45:00 -
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So effectively if Altina's interaction with the customer service representative from SONY is any indication, we will all be refunded (or credited or returned or whatever you want to call it) the items in the merc packs that we purchased at the time. That means that the same can be said for Gamestop. Therefore, we've been barking up the wrong tree (CCP) when we should have been barking at either Sony or Gamestop. Especially Gamestop since they still have that "commercial release" clause still attached. |
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:53:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
Again, nowhere does anything talk about a "refund" of these items. It says in no uncertain terms that you will be awarded all the items in the Merc Pack again at commercial release. There's no tricky wording required, no refunds neccessary.
Actually, it says "credited in full" which means the replacement of that which was removed or a payment from a second party to the first party on behalf of a third party before payment is received by the second party from the third party. A "credit" is not the creation of anything but merely a way to move a certain value from place to place. You can not be credited that which you currently posses. Don't know if I mention that or not. EDIT: I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated.
One thing I forgot to ask. When the customer rep said "they" did she mean "SONY" or did she mean "CCP?" |
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