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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:22:00 -
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@Baal
I understand what Altina meant. He was talking about the fact that Gamestop is using an outdated description when CCP has already removed the "commercial release" clause from the merc packs on PSN. This will cause problems with CCP and we all know how shadey Gamestop really is. I think this is recent because I don't remember seeing anyone buying merc packs from Gamestop during closed beta. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:23:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Rasatsu wrote:I've already presented CCP with an excellent way of dealing with this:
Give those who want (hell if I want) the option to get back their AUR and BPCs in exchange they get reset as promised for the Commercial Release. actually I agree with this reset all the chars that want one and refund those specific characters and account their aurum and packs. then everyone gets what they want.
so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:23:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:calisk galern wrote:Rasatsu wrote:I've already presented CCP with an excellent way of dealing with this:
Give those who want (hell if I want) the option to get back their AUR and BPCs in exchange they get reset as promised for the Commercial Release. actually I agree with this reset all the chars that want one and refund those specific characters and account their aurum and packs. then everyone gets what they want. so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
it's what you want, when I signed up I was told their would be no more resets, and bought aurum packs under that understanding so you are trampling on my rights as a consumer trying to force one.
you can have your reset and refund you were promised but not at my expense. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:26:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low.
It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up? |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:26:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Baal Roo wrote:calisk galern wrote:Rasatsu wrote:I've already presented CCP with an excellent way of dealing with this:
Give those who want (hell if I want) the option to get back their AUR and BPCs in exchange they get reset as promised for the Commercial Release. actually I agree with this reset all the chars that want one and refund those specific characters and account their aurum and packs. then everyone gets what they want. so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money. it's what you want
What a crappy straw man.
I want my Merc Pack at commercial release like I purchased. Nowhere with that purchase does it even IMPLY that anyone would have to be penalized to collect their purchased goods. Your premise is absurd and doesn't follow the language of the product being sold in any way. It's purely made out of jealousy, spite, or both. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low. It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up?
Jealousy and/or spite |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:28:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: It's not vague language, it's extremely clearly written. The Merc pack includes all this stuff to use in the beta, and AGAIN at commercial release. No one is trying to be sneaky here or get anything extra out of this. We just want the very clearly written deal that we purchased.
You were indeed promised a refund at release.
read the terms again, you are simply wrong.
Quote: ...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release
*emphasis added
its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch. |
TheMarkOf22
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:28:00 -
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Who are you to make offers to people? LOL |
Dr Stabwounds
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low. It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up?
B/c people may be seeing the threat of a lawsuit as the "catastrophic event" they alluded to being the only reason for a reset. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:33:00 -
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Dr Stabwounds wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low. It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up? B/c people may be seeing the threat of a lawsuit as the "catastrophic event" they alluded to being the only reason for a reset.
All they have to do is honor the agreement, which I'm guessing they will do. The only reason people are worried is that when anyone asks for verification CCP stay strangely quiet or say they will "look into it".
As I've already shown quite clearly, the language specifically says that the Merc Pack will be credited to the players account at commercial release. It carries no caveats about resets or refunds, just simple language that at commercial release you get credited another Merc Pack. It's a simple "problem" with a simple solution: do what it says. Nothing more is needed. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:34:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote: its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
As in the Merc pack being given back to you, sheesh, do you take everything so literally? Cause I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant -_- |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:35:00 -
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Dr Stabwounds wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:so anyone who wants to actually get what they paid for gets rewarded for supporting CCP with having their character reset? I'll delete the game and do everything in my power to let people know that CCP is shady and blackmails paying customers out of their purchases by holding game progress ransom for the cost of the purchases you made with real life money.
Luckily, Om pretty sure CCP wouldn't stoop so low. It's already pretty clear that CCP will not reset anyone's progress like we are all starting over from zero as per the sticky thread they posted long ago. Why do people keeping bringing this up? B/c people may be seeing the threat of a lawsuit as the "catastrophic event" they alluded to being the only reason for a reset.
Then that is stupid. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:36:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:Who are you to make offers to people? LOL I would have said your papi, but that would fill me with great shame. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:37:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: It's not vague language, it's extremely clearly written. The Merc pack includes all this stuff to use in the beta, and AGAIN at commercial release. No one is trying to be sneaky here or get anything extra out of this. We just want the very clearly written deal that we purchased.
You were indeed promised a refund at release. read the terms again, you are simply wrong. Quote: ...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release
*emphasis added
its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
Um, you are basically saying what Sloth9230 already said only in a different way. I don't see why you continue to argue like this. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:38:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
As in the Merc pack being given back to you, sheesh, do you take everything so literally? Cause I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant -_-
no, I didn't understand what you meant, because I don't understand why you think people who bought the merc pack should have their characters reset in order to receive the items we bought. It's a ridiculous argument with seemingly no logical reasoning behind it. There's no reason to change the purchase agreement post facto. At commercial release CCP fulfills the Merc Pack purchases, the end.
I don't understand why it needs to be complicated or why players who bought it should be punished for seemingly arbitrary reasons. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:39:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: It's not vague language, it's extremely clearly written. The Merc pack includes all this stuff to use in the beta, and AGAIN at commercial release. No one is trying to be sneaky here or get anything extra out of this. We just want the very clearly written deal that we purchased.
You were indeed promised a refund at release. read the terms again, you are simply wrong. Quote: ...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release
*emphasis added
its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
well since we are talking technicalities and law suits, they would be perfectly in their rights to reset your chars when you get your refund, it does not say they can't, so they would be permitted to do it and IMO they should be far mroe worried about the lawsuit part then you quitting. I know I'd be one of the group of people quitting if their was a reset, so they will be losing players either way.
it's also the only way I can see to uphold the original agreement, while upholding their secondary statement of no more character resets, in which prompted me to start spending money, and more importantly time on this game. I wouldn't of even started playing if they hadn't of said no more resets. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:41:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: It's not vague language, it's extremely clearly written. The Merc pack includes all this stuff to use in the beta, and AGAIN at commercial release. No one is trying to be sneaky here or get anything extra out of this. We just want the very clearly written deal that we purchased.
You were indeed promised a refund at release. read the terms again, you are simply wrong. Quote: ...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release
*emphasis added
its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch. Um, you are basically saying what Sloth9230 already said only in a different way. I don't see why you continue to argue like this.
because sloth keeps taking these same premises and coming to an opposite conclusion. That people who bought the Merc Pack should have items or SP removed in order to receive the items we paid for. He's the one the created this thread suggesting that people who purchased the merc pack be penalized. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:41:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
As in the Merc pack being given back to you, sheesh, do you take everything so literally? Cause I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant -_- no, I didn't understand what you meant, because I don't understand why you think people who bought the merc pack should have their characters reset in order to receive the items we bought. It's a ridiculous argument with seemingly no logical reasoning behind it. There's no reason to change the purchase agreement post facto. At commercial release CCP fulfills the Merc Pack purchases, the end. I don't understand why it needs to be complicated or why players who bought it should be punished for seemingly arbitrary reasons.
Sloth is talking about a "PARTIAL" reset which only involves the amount of SP gained from using the boosters that came with the merc packs that had the "commercial release" clause on it during closed beta. Nothing about it is hard to understand.
CCP said they won't do a total reset (as in all SP gone). If you want to be technical about it, that means they can do a partial reset as described on the OP. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:43:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote: its simple language and says nothing about a "refund" or getting your character reset at launch.
As in the Merc pack being given back to you, sheesh, do you take everything so literally? Cause I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant -_- no, I didn't understand what you meant, because I don't understand why you think people who bought the merc pack should have their characters reset in order to receive the items we bought. It's a ridiculous argument with seemingly no logical reasoning behind it. There's no reason to change the purchase agreement post facto. At commercial release CCP fulfills the Merc Pack purchases, the end. I don't understand why it needs to be complicated or why players who bought it should be punished for seemingly arbitrary reasons. Did I say SP reset? no dumbshit, I said SP cut, something you had already agreed to in Maken's thread. So why do you continue to argue that nothing else should be done aside from the refund, ohm IDK.. would it have anything to do with keeping the SP?
Face it, this has nothing to do with CCP being honest or not, this is about people trying to squeeze free SP from them. maybe that's not what your in it for, but I guarantee you almost everyone else is.
Edit: oh, and you aren't being penalized, you would have never had the chance to use the booster a second time in the first place. CCP changed their minds about SP resets, and that's what caused all this, not the wording on the merc pack.
yeah, play the victim real mature. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:50:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back.
Baal Roo's words people. Why is he arguing? I don't kitten know. |
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:51:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I said SP cut, something you had already agreed to in Maken's thread.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=651088#post651088
Baal Roo wrote:
I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back. I just don't see why it's necessary. Seems like a complicated way of fixing a simple problem,
Is that what you meant?
The best part about locked threads is that no one has a chance to edit what they already posted on them. |
Calgoth Reborn
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:59:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote: If they were going to give you sp in replace of the booster what would be the point just give the booster back and your math is off each 30-day booster is worth 408,000 sp so if they gave me sp instead of my booster's that would be 1,632,000 sp
Ughhh... no, they would take the SP from everyone who bought the merc pack back in CR first, and then either give you the SP back or give the booster. And my math isn't off, the current cap is 190.400 unboosted. A booster raises it to 285.6. 1,142,400 is what you can get in a month, or 4 weeks with a booster. Not sure where the hell you got 1,632,000 from 1,632,000? Oh, so now you want an entire months, aside from you math being wrong here, worth of SP without having to work for it too? SMH Oh and since everyone is being literal minded in regards to the wording of MP, Look CCP can take things literally too Quote:We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic. So while a SP reset can't/wont happen, an SP cut is completely fair game. Since you guys want to take everything so literally when you feel it's convenient for you.
You get 95,200 sp each week extra with a booster so 95,200*4=380,800 then 95,200/7=13600 a day so 13,600*2=27,200 so 380,800+27,200= 408,000 per each 30-day booster which I had 4*408,000= 1,632,000 of so your idea is to take that sp away and then give it back or a 30 day booster. Which doesn't make any sense in essence you want to punish those who bought pack's
Like I said in the other thread you didn't buy a merc pack in the first place so your opinion doesn't matter as it doesn't concern you. I like how the guy who didn't buy one has an offer for the one's who did like your CCP |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:
You get 95,200 sp each week extra with a booster so 95,200*4=380,800 then 95,200/7=13600 a day so 13,600*2=27,200 so 380,800+27,200= 408,000 per each 30-day booster which I had 4*408,000= 1,632,000 of so your idea is to take that sp away and then give it back or a 30 day booster. Which doesn't make any sense in essence you want to punish those who bought pack's
Like I said in the other thread you didn't buy a merc pack in the first place so your opinion doesn't matter as it doesn't concern you. I like how the guy who didn't buy one has an offer for the one's who did like your CCP
What's your total lifetime SP? |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:06:00 -
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I've bought at least two merc packs that I have used in game and the one I bought in closed beta was again given to me when I started open beta. In open beta, I've used up most of what had come with the merc packs. As they were used and there is no reset, there is no reason I would want a refund for them. If there was going to be a reset though, that'd be a different story. The way I see it, those that want a refund are just trying to take advantage of what was previously typed because CCP was initially planning on another reset at full release. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:06:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:
You get 95,200 sp each week extra with a booster so 95,200*4=380,800
Stop right there, not sure what everything else is about.
Calgoth Reborn wrote: Like I said in the other thread you didn't buy a merc pack in the first place so your opinion doesn't matter as it doesn't concern you. I like how the guy who didn't buy one has an offer for the one's who did like your CCP
Sorry but what CCP decides affects everyone, not not just the original buyers. Of course I didn't buy one, I couldn't have bought one, I was told about Dust after it went into OB. And whether I bought one or not is irrelevant anyway. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:08:00 -
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I only bought one merc pack (the one with just the 40,000+3,000 AUR) and used only a small fraction of the AURUM to buy the boosters. I don't think I'll miss those 408,000 SP when I already have like 4million SP.
That was back in closed beta when it had the clause in question. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I said SP cut, something you had already agreed to in Maken's thread. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=651088#post651088Baal Roo wrote:
I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back. I just don't see why it's necessary. Seems like a complicated way of fixing a simple problem,
Is that what you meant? The best part about locked threads is that no one has a chance to edit what they already posted on them.
I don't have any reason to edit that. It's clearly written and I stand by it.
If they can figure up the exact SP I gained using the booster, they can take it and give me the booster back. However, that's a hypothetical situation, and although I would be willing to accept it, I just don't see WHY this would be necessary. Since, in all likelihood, CCP will simply honor the original terms of the Merc Pack and five everyone that bought a Merc Pack the Merc Pack items they promised us at commercial release, what we are left with in this thread is a conversation about the principle. |
Alina Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:13:00 -
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I think everyone who knowingly spent money on a Beta and expects some sort of compensation should shut the kitten up and get nothing.
Just my opinion though. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:15:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
I don't have any reason to edit that. It's clearly written and I stand by it.
If they can figure up the exact SP I gained using the booster, they can take it and give me the booster back. However, that's a hypothetical situation, and although I would be willing to accept it, I just don't see WHY this would be necessary. Since, in all likelihood, CCP will simply honor the original terms of the Merc Pack and five everyone that bought a Merc Pack the Merc Pack items they promised us at commercial release, what we are left with in this thread is a conversation about the principle.
Ok, now that we cleared that out, let's move on.
Let's review here:
You, me and Sloth agree that we are talking about partial resets here. Not a complete resets since CCP already said that a complete reset is out of the question. Correct? And that you and I don't mind giving up the boosted SP if it means giving us back the boosters that gave us those SP, correct?
Good.
Let's move on. I'm getting tired of heated debates. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:16:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:this thread is a conversation about the principle. And I stand by what I said about the original agreement having already been honored. Any item you bought would have stayed with you into CR if you hadn't used it, that too me is CCP honoring the original agreement.
It was dumb for them to include the "commercial release" clause, but people, not saying you necessarily, trying to get something out of a simple mistake is them just being greedy IMO. |
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