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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:08:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:So I went ahead and did the math. In 1 month your total SP earned should be 761.6 without boosters, assuming you hit the cap each week and not factoring any SP you got after capping. With a booster that becomes 1142.4 SP. The difference between the two is 380.8. So then the question becomes, is getting your Merc pack refunded worth losing 380.8 SP per pack? I think you should have 2 options. 1. Give up 380.8 SP SP per pack and receive your Merc Packs with the 30-day booster included. 2. Or lose no SP and receive the Merc Pack without the booster. Maybe throw in a three day booster as a gift. Either option should leave your assets untouched, that includes any unused boosters. So you would still have twice the items, just not the extra SP. Both of these options would appear on the screen on the day of "commercial release  " and you would pick which one is more convenient for you. Option 2 is really only there for those not interested in grinding again.
I applaud your effort but like I said in another post about this none these ideas are ever going to fly. If CCP is forced to give everyone additional items they can't take anything away from those players without violating the terms of the sale on the original items.
But, since now I understand what everyone is talking about I don't think we have anything to worry about. Refund of any AUR spent is a possibility but no one's going to get a second booster or anything else. Worrying for nothing. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:33:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:
no one's going to get a second booster or anything else.
Then they would complain that the terms of sale where violated anyway since the booster was part of the original sale, I think... right? and must therefore also be refunded. The only way refunding without the booster would work is if it was replaced by something of equal value. Is 308.8 SP not of equal value to the 30-day booster? 
No, unless SP is reset they still have the booster they paid for. Look, there are laws protecting buyers but there are also laws protecting sellers. I thought this was about the AUR since it said on merc pack page itself the the AUR would be refunded upon commercial release.
You bought and paid for one merc pack, that is what you are required by law to receive. Unless it explicitly stated you would receive a second item at no additional charge CCP doesn't have to give you anything. They're going to say a reasonable person would draw the conclusion that the promise of items being credited to the player's account was a promise that the items purchased would not be lost during a reset. I know it said "Commercial Release" but it didn't say anything about receiving additional goods at no additional charge. And yes, I understand those are the terms and conditions but everyone needs to understand the laws are in place to ensure consumers get what they paid for and companies don't have to give away endless free stuff.
There is a possibility of a refund on AUR and the consumable items in the pack since they are gone for good. However the player will still have any SP they got from that booster along with the BPO items. Even the AUR refund is unfair to those that didn't get the merc pack but all this nonsense about getting another booster for free will probably amount to nothing.
EDIT: I don't mean you, I know you said you didn't buy one. Talking to other folks there. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:52:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: am I correct to assume that we are ONLY talking about the merc packs that were purchased during CLOSED BETA and had the "commercial release" clause in the description before the removal of said description? Yes, that is what people are trying to take advantage of, since "refund at commercial release" obviously translates to 2 boosters for the price of 1
"During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release." are the words that in fantasy land mean you get two but only pay for one.
Edit: Maken, the Merc Packs for sale at Gamestop still say it. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:37:00 -
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I'll admit "Fantasy Land" was a bit harsh. Perhaps "mininformed land". Look, legally speaking this is all very simple. When you purchased the Merc Pack it listed the contents and their quantity. That is what you agreed to buy and that is what Sony/CCP agreed to sell you. Unless it explicitly states that you will receive an additional, let's say, booster you have no right to expect anything. You received the single item you paid for, you either used it or you still have it. There is no way they are obligated to just give you a new one while letting you keep the old one. They are obligated to do one of the following things:
Full Refund
Jack ****
And before all the arguing starts I'm not saying you bought "just one thing, so that's all I think you should get". I'm saying that is all they are legally required to provide you. In the case that you did not receive a certain item you agreed to purchase they are obligated to send you the item, and item of equal value, or to refund you the money you spent for that specific item. In the event that the item did not conform to your expectations they are obligated to provide a refund only and can require the item be returned before issuing the refund. There's no wiggle room with this stuff. Companies are very good about protecting themselves from anything that is implied, which is exactly what this is.
Although, the actual merc pack did say that all AUR will be |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:52:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
Again, nowhere does anything talk about a "refund" of these items. It says in no uncertain terms that you will be awarded all the items in the Merc Pack again at commercial release. There's no tricky wording required, no refunds neccessary.
Actually, it says "credited in full" which means the replacement of that which was removed or a payment from a second party to the first party on behalf of a third party before payment is received by the second party from the third party. A "credit" is not the creation of anything but merely a way to move a certain value from place to place. You can not be credited that which you currently posses. Don't know if I mention that or not.
EDIT: I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:48:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
Yup, it seems the main argument against the people who bought the Merc Pack actually getting the offer that they purchased boils down to "well, that's too good of a deal, so you shouldn't get it". As far as I'm concerned, they need to take that issue up with CCP. I didn't write the offer, CCP did. I just took them up on it, and now I expect them to honor it without screwing me out of spite or in order to facilitate the jealousy of the players who didn't get in on the deal.
You have got to be ******* kidding me. That's the main argument against it? The most compelling reason against what you're saying you should receive is we're jealous? Ok, just so long as you understand that my objection to it has nothing to do with jealousy it's fine. I can handle not being "the main argument". |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:21:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:
I asked Sony about this and the unofficial word from some random customer service rep (after she "researched" it for me) was that if CCP releases the game they will have to refund AUR since that what was explicitly stated.
One thing I forgot to ask. When the customer rep said "they" did she mean "SONY" or did she mean "CCP?"
She meant CCP, sorry. And again for emphasis that was only about the AUR that came with the merc pack. It was explicitly stated right there on the front that AUR items would be refunded on commercial release.
And for the record:
Baal Roo wrote:It DOES "explicity" state exactly this: Merc Pack wrote: ...Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset AND for the commercial release
*emphasis added That's precisely the problem. It says exactly what you are implying that it doesn't say.
No, it explicitly states that the items will be credited in full back to your account. Anything not contained in the text of the document is implied. So basically everything else that's been said about this issue are things people think are "implied" by that issue. That is the reason legal documents are so long and go in to such insane amounts of details listing out every possible outcome for every possibility. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.29 02:58:00 -
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I still say ya'll don't have as airtight of a case as you think you do. I don't see anything other than they'll "credit it", for whatever that means. |
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