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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
77
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:10:00 -
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I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1711
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:14:00 -
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[I-Hate-Blueberries] 'Skinweave' scout 1x Militia Lucus Grenade BPO 1x Militia Submachine Gun BPO
Step 1: Walk up to AFK Blueberry. Step 2: Cook a grenade in front of them. Step 3: Give 'em a hug. Step 4: ... Step 5: Profit |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
284
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:21:00 -
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I heard that doesn't work anymore? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2104
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:21:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:[I-Hate-Blueberries] 'Skinweave' scout 1x Militia Lucus Grenade BPO 1x Militia Submachine Gun BPO
Step 1: Walk up to AFK Blueberry. Step 2: Cook a grenade in front of them. Step 3: Give 'em a hug. Step 4: ... Step 5: Profit
AFK in a heavy suit with armor plates
Lol |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2084
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:22:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:I heard that doesn't work anymore? It doesn't work because most AFK farmers use Heavy suits now. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
83
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:24:00 -
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They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
594
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:24:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:I heard that doesn't work anymore? It doesn't work because most AFK farmers use Heavy suits now. Glad i have my skinweave heavy |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
844
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:[I-Hate-Blueberries] 'Skinweave' scout 1x Militia Lucus Grenade BPO 1x Militia Submachine Gun BPO
Step 1: Walk up to AFK Blueberry. Step 2: Cook a grenade in front of them. Step 3: Give 'em a hug. Step 4: ... Step 5: Profit AFK in a heavy suit with armor plates Lol
+1 That's what I use when I AFK Farm. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1711
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:26:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:[I-Hate-Blueberries] 'Skinweave' scout 1x Militia Lucus Grenade BPO 1x Militia Submachine Gun BPO
Step 1: Walk up to AFK Blueberry. Step 2: Cook a grenade in front of them. Step 3: Give 'em a hug. Step 4: ... Step 5: Profit AFK in a heavy suit with armor plates Lol +1 That's what I use when I AFK Farm.
Good thing I have an alt that uses a 'Skinweave' heavy. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
483
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:27:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits.
Being compared to AFK farmers is offensive to both drug addicts and welfare recipients. |
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
84
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:31:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. Being compared to AFK farmers is offensive to both drug addicts and welfare recipients.
1. Liked because that was hilarious 2. That is a solid point. I think drug addicts on welfare actually do more to get other people to pay for them. They actually have to fill out forms and paperwork! |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
498
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:37:00 -
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no need for heavy, assault-B with 3 complex shield mods and 2 enhanced armor plates camps well also = laugh at the morons blowing themselves up next to me who dont know the details of how to TK |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:43:00 -
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ive seen a few random ppl call a tank and go sit in the back somewhere, then afk for the rest of the match with a 0/0/0 score. I'm tempted to see if calling a lav on top of the tank still kills both vehicles. |
N1ck Comeau
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
119
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:56:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:[I-Hate-Blueberries] 'Skinweave' scout 1x Militia Lucus Grenade BPO 1x Militia Submachine Gun BPO
Step 1: Walk up to AFK Blueberry. Step 2: Cook a grenade in front of them. Step 3: Give 'em a hug. Step 4: ... Step 5: Profit AFK in a heavy suit with armor plates Lol Shouldn't you theoretically be able to cook two grenades in a heavy suit?
N1ck Comeau wrote:CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points. In the unlikely event that you have 0 kills and 0 war points, maybe. Could be tough on a completely new player who just gets killed and doesn't know how to lay down equipment or take points.
If you mean 0 kills and 0 deaths, it's not hard to get a death. Just jump out of the MCC at the start of the match. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
373
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:56:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points.
No its not an in game glitch. Its the result of CCP putting in their SP gain system of 5 SP per second and 1 SP per WP. The second they said this it was predicted that PPL would AFK farm because you get 70-75% of your SP from time in game not from how well you do. I have said it before and I will say it again. To stop this you have to make it not worthwhile. If you make 1 WP = 5 SP and 1 sec = 1 SP then you will have fixed the vast majority of the problem. Why AFK farm for a measly 1000-1500 SP when if you play a good game you will get 10,000 to 15,000 SP in a single match? This is the change that needs to be made. Until that change is made I cannot blame the people who decide to AFK farm in the MCC because it is so profitable. |
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Immobile Infantry
27
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:07:00 -
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Pent'noir wrote:ive seen a few random ppl call a tank and go sit in the back somewhere, then afk for the rest of the match with a 0/0/0 score. I'm tempted to see if calling a lav on top of the tank still kills both vehicles.
+1 yes this still works but is dependent if the Bola pilot is drunk or not and actually drops it where you deploy. |
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Immobile Infantry
27
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:10:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points. No its not an in game glitch. Its the result of CCP putting in their SP gain system of 5 SP per second and 1 SP per WP. The second they said this it was predicted that PPL would AFK farm because you get 70-75% of your SP from time in game not from how well you do. I have said it before and I will say it again. To stop this you have to make it not worthwhile. If you make 1 WP = 5 SP and 1 sec = 1 SP then you will have fixed the vast majority of the problem. Why AFK farm for a measly 1000-1500 SP when if you play a good game you will get 10,000 to 15,000 SP in a single match? This is the change that needs to be made. Until that change is made I cannot blame the people who decide to AFK farm in the MCC because it is so profitable.
CCP read this it is the truth. You can still give the participation award to the newbs who go negative but don't have to provide them a steak dinner as well. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
9
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:34:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points.
What if you just don't get the kills or deaths because the other team is all hiding on their barge? You should still get the sp for looking for them right? |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
109
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:52:00 -
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This game has become boring, repetitive, and old and CCP is very slow at delivering anything new that would keep vets playing instead of farming.
Soon Gäó is not cutting it any longer!
However since there will be no SP reset the Vets have to keep up with the SP cap and what better way to max your cap but not have to play a very boring redline fest than sit in the MCC and farm.
Blame CCP not the players.
BTW if you jump up onto the half walls in the MCC you can not get team killed by a cooked grenade either. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1242
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:57:00 -
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Look at it another way. People AFKing for SP are on the edge of leaving for good. You are noticing that a lot of the "veteran" players do this lately. What does that tell you about the health of the playerbase? |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:07:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Look at it another way. People AFKing for SP are on the edge of leaving for good. You are noticing that a lot of the "veteran" players do this lately. What does that tell you about the health of the playerbase?
I agree with this. Its either people AFK farm because they have hope that the game will get better or they just leave in the first place.
I can also tell you that its not like you have a better chance of winning if you play. The general competence of blueberries in Skrimish matches verges on coma patients. You squad up with your corp mates, you all end the match with 1500-2000 WP and guess what... you still lose. Wanna know why? Because all of the other Bluetards are 0/4 or 2/3 with about 200WP each. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:08:00 -
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Skinweave or eon heavy, shield extender, basic armor repper when am doing it. recently i've been afk'ing more cos the missus is round all the bloody time so i'm not getting chance to play. i can just leave myself in mcc when she is here watchin her soaps on tele and still capping out. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
538
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:09:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Look at it another way. People AFKing for SP are on the edge of leaving for good. You are noticing that a lot of the "veteran" players do this lately. What does that tell you about the health of the playerbase? That they ride the short bus? |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
512
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:19:00 -
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The game has become dull, the only enjoyment is in corp battles but the game has become dodgefest 514.
So the reason you are seeing top players hanging out in the MCC is because they don't want to fall behind in skill points. Or have been just working on the same build for their toon that they have been using for the past 6 months. I for one will start playing again after I max my sagaris build and can do some groundpounding before training missles
We have hope that Planetary Conquest can keep us interested |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:31:00 -
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hopefully they remove the free sp/isk and find a better matchmaking method (not a tweek) in the next build. The next build can't come soon enough. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
512
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:43:00 -
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Pent'noir wrote:hopefully they remove the free sp/isk and find a better matchmaking method (not a tweek) in the next build. The next build can't come soon enough.
The next build will make or break the game for allot of the old beta vets, CCP needs to give us something good or i don't think this game will make it on the Playstation |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
131
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:45:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. They aren't good, and they tarnish their Corp.
Good players fight or don't sign up. |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
101
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:00:00 -
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When I started the closed beta last year, I remember seeing rules CCP had against exploiting yet there are many who seem proud to state here on the official forum that they openly exploit which is what AFKing is. WTH has happened? It just sometimes feel CCP just does not care any more. Letting players get away with this is simply hurting the game for those who actually want to play and a fix for this would not be hard to do. |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
75
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:34:00 -
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I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
131
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:39:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. The difference is that they are trying.
By signing up to the fight there is an expectation that you will fight. Anything less is, well, pathetic. |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:41:00 -
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weak ass stat padders cant keep up with their image so they just all stand around afk on the map either in the MCC or far off in spawn where nobody will find them.
solution: call in an LAV and push them into the redline so they get auto kicked. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2028
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:42:00 -
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Because there are people below your MCC who want to kill you? If they aren't there now, they will be soon. If they're not then it's safe to assume that the enemy team are in their MCC, being redlined.
We're just a bit bored, and I'm not even in protogear yet. New patch might mean more action.
Or CCP can put a minibar & party food on the MCC :) |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
75
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:53:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. The difference is that they are trying. By signing up to the fight there is an expectation that you will fight. Anything less is, well, pathetic.
What is pathetic is having to do more than 50% of your teams work for them. I cant even count the number of games that I personally would have something like 20-3 with 2000 or more WPs capping letters left and right without a squad just so the rest of my team could **** the match away with most of them having 500 or less WPs. That is doggone pathetic! Especially when we still lose and the enemies MCC didnt even get out of shield. Why should I put in any effort when the rest of the team is not putting in any LEGITIMATE effort? So far as I know theres people on my team throwing the match intentionally to help a friend on the other side, hows that for an exploit? Stop crying about it, use your head for more than a tacnet display, and maybe the rest of us will hit the ground and help the team win. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
131
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:58:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. The difference is that they are trying. By signing up to the fight there is an expectation that you will fight. Anything less is, well, pathetic. What is pathetic is having to do more than 50% of your teams work for them. I cant even count the number of games that I personally would have something like 20-3 with 2000 or more WPs capping letters left and right without a squad just so the rest of my team could **** the match away with most of them having 500 or less WPs. That is doggone pathetic! Especially when we still lose and the enemies MCC didnt even get out of shield. Why should I put in any effort when the rest of the team is not putting in any LEGITIMATE effort? So far as I know theres people on my team throwing the match intentionally to help a friend on the other side, hows that for an exploit? Stop crying about it, use your head for more than a tacnet display, and maybe the rest of us will hit the ground and help the team win.
Spoken like a true loser. Thanks for making my point for me.
Good players don't hide in the mcc. Players hiding in the mcc are, by definition, bad players regardless of stats.
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Kreayshawn Coruscanti
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
130
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:00:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:weak ass stat padders cant keep up with their image so they just all stand around afk on the map either in the MCC or far off in spawn where nobody will find them.
solution: call in an LAV and push them into the redline so they get auto kicked. If I actually cared about my stats I would never afk farm. Do you know how much it's bombed my WLR? |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
75
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:13:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. The difference is that they are trying. By signing up to the fight there is an expectation that you will fight. Anything less is, well, pathetic. What is pathetic is having to do more than 50% of your teams work for them. I cant even count the number of games that I personally would have something like 20-3 with 2000 or more WPs capping letters left and right without a squad just so the rest of my team could **** the match away with most of them having 500 or less WPs. That is doggone pathetic! Especially when we still lose and the enemies MCC didnt even get out of shield. Why should I put in any effort when the rest of the team is not putting in any LEGITIMATE effort? So far as I know theres people on my team throwing the match intentionally to help a friend on the other side, hows that for an exploit? Stop crying about it, use your head for more than a tacnet display, and maybe the rest of us will hit the ground and help the team win. Spoken like a true loser. Thanks for making my point for me. Good players don't hide in the mcc. Players hiding in the mcc are, by definition, bad players regardless of stats. Either play or don't play, but leaching off the blueberries for sp because you are too leet to bother with the actual game is, as I said earlier, pathetic.
If we want to talk about by definition then you are obviously ignorant. Stop crying because we refuse to do your work for you and are letting yall do the work for us for a change. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
83
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:31:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. The difference is that they are trying. By signing up to the fight there is an expectation that you will fight. Anything less is, well, pathetic. What is pathetic is having to do more than 50% of your teams work for them. I cant even count the number of games that I personally would have something like 20-3 with 2000 or more WPs capping letters left and right without a squad just so the rest of my team could **** the match away with most of them having 500 or less WPs. That is doggone pathetic! Especially when we still lose and the enemies MCC didnt even get out of shield. Why should I put in any effort when the rest of the team is not putting in any LEGITIMATE effort? So far as I know theres people on my team throwing the match intentionally to help a friend on the other side, hows that for an exploit? Stop crying about it, use your head for more than a tacnet display, and maybe the rest of us will hit the ground and help the team win. Spoken like a true loser. Thanks for making my point for me. Good players don't hide in the mcc. Players hiding in the mcc are, by definition, bad players regardless of stats. Either play or don't play, but leaching off the blueberries for sp because you are too leet to bother with the actual game is, as I said earlier, pathetic. If we want to talk about by definition then you are obviously ignorant. Stop crying because we refuse to do your work for you and are letting yall do the work for us for a change.
Nobody is crying. Stop exaggerating. The truth is, even if great players from great corps don't farm sp in the mcc they try a lot less when they go solo in a pub match. I'm excited to see them at the start of the match then wonder why they don't perform the same without their buddy system. The worst part is players have sacrificed assets half way through the game before they realize that the skilled players don't care. And just because you top the score sheet doesn't mean you've done all the work. Some people with a lower kdr may have died a few times trying to take out a tank or dropship or a pesky blaster and eventually succeeded. Those people have done work, too. Kill a bunch of people, work done. Drop an uplink behind enemy lines, work done, in a different way. Can you measure how each player affects a game, not really. But living in the mcc counts for absolutely nothing. Go buy a passive booster and leave the spot open for someone more willing to fight. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.03.22 01:10:00 -
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The absolutely pathetic thing is when you get first place on your team while going 0/0 AFK farming, It happened to me the other day, I spawned in and threw two uplinks out at the edge of the redline before going back to watching episodes of Full House (much more interesting BTW) and the enemy apparently kept my whole team redlined allowing me to reach first place with a whopping 450wp. All those blueberries must've gave it their best! LMFAO |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
538
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Posted - 2013.03.22 01:36:00 -
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Mostly they just need the SP to stay relevant for when the game gets competitive, and they're either too bored or lazy to actually play the game. I don't mind them doing it though, I don't particularly care what they do, it doesn't effect me either way. Sure my team lost cause some guy was AFK, but I'm still getting payed.
RECON BY FIRE wrote: If we want to talk about by definition then you are obviously ignorant. Stop crying because we refuse to do your work for you and are letting yall do the work for us for a change.
lol, they get payed the same whether they win or lose, you getting high scores isn't actually doing **** for them, so don't say you're doing the "work" for them. |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
132
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Posted - 2013.03.22 01:50:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. The difference is that they are trying. By signing up to the fight there is an expectation that you will fight. Anything less is, well, pathetic. What is pathetic is having to do more than 50% of your teams work for them. I cant even count the number of games that I personally would have something like 20-3 with 2000 or more WPs capping letters left and right without a squad just so the rest of my team could **** the match away with most of them having 500 or less WPs. That is doggone pathetic! Especially when we still lose and the enemies MCC didnt even get out of shield. Why should I put in any effort when the rest of the team is not putting in any LEGITIMATE effort? So far as I know theres people on my team throwing the match intentionally to help a friend on the other side, hows that for an exploit? Stop crying about it, use your head for more than a tacnet display, and maybe the rest of us will hit the ground and help the team win. Spoken like a true loser. Thanks for making my point for me. Good players don't hide in the mcc. Players hiding in the mcc are, by definition, bad players regardless of stats. Either play or don't play, but leaching off the blueberries for sp because you are too leet to bother with the actual game is, as I said earlier, pathetic. If we want to talk about by definition then you are obviously ignorant. Stop crying because we refuse to do your work for you and are letting yall do the work for us for a change.
I win some and I lose some, but I definitely don't afk in the mcc and then try to justify my sloth by blaming the weaker players on the team. Way to go champ.
One day you'll realize (maybe) that the other players aren't the problem, your attitude is. I'm sure you've heard that before though, and ignored it then as well.
Good luck.
Still pathetic. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
131
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semperfi1999 wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points. No its not an in game glitch. Its the result of CCP putting in their SP gain system of 5 SP per second and 1 SP per WP. The second they said this it was predicted that PPL would AFK farm because you get 70-75% of your SP from time in game not from how well you do. I have said it before and I will say it again. To stop this you have to make it not worthwhile. If you make 1 WP = 5 SP and 1 sec = 1 SP then you will have fixed the vast majority of the problem. Why AFK farm for a measly 1000-1500 SP when if you play a good game you will get 10,000 to 15,000 SP in a single match? This is the change that needs to be made. Until that change is made I cannot blame the people who decide to AFK farm in the MCC because it is so profitable.
good idea! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
538
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:07:00 -
[43] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:justify my sloth
We sloths need no justification! |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
132
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:13:00 -
[44] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:justify my sloth
We sloths need no justification! Lol |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
85
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:02:00 -
[45] - Quote
was just in a match with 4 players mcc sp farming
0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0
needs to stop
When the menu jams and I cant choose a suit and I get kicked from the game, I lose isk and sp and yet these fools get rewarded. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
60
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
BMSTUBBY wrote:This game has become boring, repetitive, and old and CCP is very slow at delivering anything new that would keep vets playing instead of farming. Soon Gäó is not cutting it any longer! However since there will be no SP reset the Vets have to keep up with the SP cap and what better way to max your cap but not have to play a very boring redline fest than sit in the MCC and farm. Blame CCP not the players. BTW if you jump up onto the half walls in the MCC you can not get team killed by a cooked grenade either.
lol master farmer eh? |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
43
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:11:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kinda shocking people admiting there AFK grinders, can someone make a list of all these idiots names so when i get in a match i know who won't be pulling there weight so i can do extra for the team.
To all those people that say "blue dots are ********" or " i went 20-3 and capped 3 objectives by myself with no support so i give up" -Really so you assume before the match that all the blue dots won't do anything or they will be ******** so ill just sit in the MCC? so your feeding to your own logic by sitting in the mcc in the first place. -Ya blue dots can be ******** sometimes, its your job to show leadership, and motivate them as well as push that extra bit. Did you ever hop onto team chat? even though there many not be anyone there, you can communicate your tactics Example "Everyone needs to rush B, everyone rush B now" or if you have 2 letters on the 3 letter map "Hold the letters don't attack A, i repeat hold C and B don't push for A" or if your low on clones but winning on MCC damage and have majority letters "Every hold the letters, and revive downed solider, we can win this by MCC damage" Simply by doing this and calling out your tactics or your squads tactics can get blue dots motivated and organised.
As the system sits right now its broken: i think they should keep the 5wp=1sec, but for every lets say for every million skill points you get you get 1 wp taking away (example if you have 1 million sp you only get 4wp=sec in battle) but that 1wp is then put towards your WP to skill point ratio for example if your at 5 million sp you would be getting 1wp=1sec but you you would be getting lets say 5 sp=1WP this would still allow new players to level up and get good gear fast and would promote team work for the veterans |
Mr Turtlez
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
26
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
afk farming while i write this post |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2515
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:35:00 -
[49] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:was just in a match with 4 players mcc sp farming
0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0
needs to stop
When the menu jams and I cant choose a suit and I get kicked from the game, I lose isk and sp and yet these fools get rewarded.
u care too much the vets have been playing this for like 6 months now with no new content its fine for the OB newbies cuz its still somewhat fresh for them but vets are gettin bored of pubbin 24/7 and like slap said game has become quite a dodgefest
when ppl start talkin **** about ur corp over pubs and not in a battle u know the community goin to ****
CCP needs to look at this post and hurry the **** up already with the new build and make sure its ******* amazing cuz i can tell u if they dont deliver something amazing the AFK farming will rise.
Personally for me Weapon customization (or at least get rid of the ******* iron sights for a reflex), Planetary Conquest, FW, PvE, VR Training Room, Arena Mode
thats what i want implemented atm. |
GoD-NoVa
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
195
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1245
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:31:00 -
[51] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good
Personally I prefer playing with scrubs these days; more points for our squad! \o/ |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:13:00 -
[52] - Quote
Draco Cerberus wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points. What if you just don't get the kills or deaths because the other team is all hiding on their barge? You should still get the sp for looking for them right? EDIT for Completeness: If I remember correctly, the current SP/WP system was "voted" on by the players. This was a request to make it easier on the new players who are just starting up to get up to a slightly competitive level of fitting ability before their hairs all go grey and fall out due to the vast difference in the abilities of a LV5 anything and a LV1/2. I think that the system isn't as broken as some of you think. Consider a 2000+ WP per match player vs a 250 WP per match new player. At 5 sp per WP that's 10000+ WP+ booster, vs 1000 sp to the new player. Yes the player that is higher skilled is going to increase his SP pool quicker, yes the new player didn't do as much for the team as a whole in the match, but 250wp=10 assists to the player with 2000 wp. Each kill being 50 wp means that he had 40 kills. That is four times more than that new player getting the assists off the Skilled player who has been playing the game for a good amount of time and possible 10 times where that new player save the skilled player's butt by putting rounds into other players that died later with less starting armor or shields than if they were in a fresh suit. I bet that anyone who has played this game for over a month on a regular 3-5 days/week has seen their fair share of assists and has often finished off more than one player quickly to go and finish off another player afterwards while the new player is either dead or taking cover. Don't be too quick to write off the 5sp/sec rule. It is there so the new guys/gals can get into Duvolles or Tanks or whatever you currently believe is unfair when used against you, to help you and your team come out on top. If you think the mechanic is broken because of the number of people going afk, consider this, CCP has yet to give us pool tables and cards in the MCC. They aren't there for lounging in they are there for deployment. The real question I have is if they are being used as a lounge to chat or just afk in, then why is the character playing, PSN Home would most likely be a better place to AFK in. Attitude is everything, I believe in throwing myself in the line of fire to protect my team mates, even if it costs me a suit or 10, not stepping up and taking control of your merc destiny by participation in the battles is a sure way to lose your edge, respect, and a whole lot of isk when/if friendly fire is put in play.
And now the people who argue that you should be rewarded more for time played rather than WP earned.
See your problem is that you are thinking about the consequences of good players maxing out quickly while I am taking that into consideration. I dont know of many people at all who play skirmish once they have hit their cap instead they move onto ambush because its more profitable with faster games to get your 1000 max SP once cap is hit and also gives you good isk. What this means is that later on in the week there will be very few good players playing skirmish which will allow the bad players to play eachother and actually get more WP then they would otherwise earn thus learning the game and slowly getting better and getting more SP in a match and seeing what they did to get that large amount of SP. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
Icedslayer wrote:Kinda shocking people admiting there AFK grinders, can someone make a list of all these idiots names so when i get in a match i know who won't be pulling there weight so i can do extra for the team.
To all those people that say "blue dots are ********" or " i went 20-3 and capped 3 objectives by myself with no support so i give up" -Really so you assume before the match that all the blue dots won't do anything or they will be ******** so ill just sit in the MCC? so your feeding to your own logic by sitting in the mcc in the first place. -Ya blue dots can be ******** sometimes, its your job to show leadership, and motivate them as well as push that extra bit. Did you ever hop onto team chat? even though there many not be anyone there, you can communicate your tactics Example "Everyone needs to rush B, everyone rush B now" or if you have 2 letters on the 3 letter map "Hold the letters don't attack A, i repeat hold C and B don't push for A" or if your low on clones but winning on MCC damage and have majority letters "Every hold the letters, and revive downed solider, we can win this by MCC damage" Simply by doing this and calling out your tactics or your squads tactics can get blue dots motivated and organised.
As the system sits right now its broken: i think they should keep the 5wp=1sec, but for every lets say for every million skill points you get you get 1 wp taking away (example if you have 1 million sp you only get 4wp=sec in battle) but that 1wp is then put towards your WP to skill point ratio for example if your at 5 million sp you would be getting 1wp=1sec but you you would be getting lets say 5 sp=1WP this would still allow new players to level up and get good gear fast and would promote team work for the veterans
Interesting idea. I could agree with this although it would take alot more programming for CCP. The reason why I made my suggestion is that it is easy to just switch their numbers and keep the exact same system in place but I like this idea too.,...however also means smart new players could just afk in the MCC for the first month or so and then once they have alot of SP they could start playing then. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
110
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:24:00 -
[54] - Quote
XeroTheBigBoss wrote:BMSTUBBY wrote:This game has become boring, repetitive, and old and CCP is very slow at delivering anything new that would keep vets playing instead of farming. Soon Gäó is not cutting it any longer! However since there will be no SP reset the Vets have to keep up with the SP cap and what better way to max your cap but not have to play a very boring redline fest than sit in the MCC and farm. Blame CCP not the players. BTW if you jump up onto the half walls in the MCC you can not get team killed by a cooked grenade either. lol master farmer eh?
Meh, master multitasker.
Happy wife happy DUST life. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2090
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:the vets have been playing this for like 6 months now with no new content I'm one of those vets. I don't AFK farm, and I've got a stack of alts who could really benefit from me doing so. Couple of Skinweave Heavies and a couple of Sentinel fittings to make the job easier if I really wanted to as well. This isn't a valid reason to AFK farm. If you're not enjoying the game, don't ruin it for others, point out the exploit and let CCP work on it. Abusing exploits once they're this well-known is poor form.
Quote:when ppl start talkin **** about ur corp over pubs and not in a battle u know the community goin to **** Or if it's a large portion of the community, and the complaint is about your Corp abusing a known exploit, maybe it's time to look in the mirror?
And yes, there's a lot of blame for CCP here as well, but a lot of the people doing this SHOULD know better. And it's kind of a shame that they don't. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
141
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal?
That's your logic here. Fail. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal? That's your logic here. Fail.
That is horrible and not even analagous to this situation. This is more similar to taking your character in an MMO to an area with creeps that cannot kill you and just put yourself on autopilot and leave while your character runs around killing everything slowly earning XP. As I have said if you have an issue with this then go to CCP and tell them to use my solution. You will see AFK farmers drop dramatically and virtually become extinct. Anything else is just you raging. Whats that famous Eve saying???? Oh yea HTFU |
GoD-NoVa
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
199
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal? That's your logic here. Fail.
this is a video game...you're comment = fail all i was saying was people need to stop putting the blame on players and put it on CCP. also if players blame the AFK farmers for loses then they need to question their abilities at playing this game. you should start |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
141
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:18:00 -
[59] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal? That's your logic here. Fail. That is horrible and not even analagous to this situation. This is more similar to taking your character in an MMO to an area with creeps that cannot kill you and just put yourself on autopilot and leave while your character runs around killing everything slowly earning XP. As I have said if you have an issue with this then go to CCP and tell them to use my solution. You will see AFK farmers drop dramatically and virtually become extinct. Anything else is just you raging. Whats that famous Eve saying???? Oh yea HTFU
Not raging, just telling it like it is. The reason that afking is like I show, and not like you try to justify, is because you're on a team. If dust was single player, or you were soloing in an MMO, then fine. You aren't though, and when you choose to afk you are making a conscious decision to screw over the rest of your team. Then, you have the balls to try to blame CCP for your own bad behavior. That's a big fail buddy. You don't need CCP to tell you that screwing over your teammates is wrong, just like you don't need a law to tell you that stealing from the poor is wrong.
Or maybe you do. I kinda feel sorry for you now.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
142
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:19:00 -
[60] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal? That's your logic here. Fail. this is a video game...you're comment = fail all i was saying was people need to stop putting the blame on players and put it on CCP. also if players blame the AFK farmers for loses then they need to question their abilities at playing this game. you should start
Lol. Silly kids these days. Take a look at my previous post. It doesn't matter if the people you are screwing over are next door or across the Internet, you are actively choosing to screw people over because you are too lazy to play the game. Pathetic. |
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GoD-NoVa
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
199
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal? That's your logic here. Fail. this is a video game...you're comment = fail all i was saying was people need to stop putting the blame on players and put it on CCP. also if players blame the AFK farmers for loses then they need to question their abilities at playing this game. you should start Lol. Silly kids these days. Take a look at my previous post. It doesn't matter if the people you are screwing over are next door or across the Internet, you are actively choosing to screw people over because you are too lazy to play the game. Pathetic.
so you saying that you will cry about every person AFKing because you need their help with winning? you call me a kid but you are the one who needs to go up. start lifting so you can carry your team and not have to worry about AFKers hell id rather hae AFKers in ambush more kills for me and less kill for the enemy.....man up son |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
142
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:35:00 -
[62] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:
so you saying that you will cry about every person AFKing because you need their help with winning? you call me a kid but you are the one who needs to go up. start lifting so you can carry your team and not have to worry about AFKers hell id rather hae AFKers in ambush more kills for me and less kill for the enemy.....man up son
Wow, the childishness is strong in this one. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1245
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
Again, be more concerned about the players that don't even have enough faith to even AFK anymore. CCP put a bad mechanic in a stale game and the AFK's are hoping it will get better. |
General John Ripper
Killshot Corp
123
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
I wonder if anyone has ever thought "OMG General John Rippers on my team!!!! ". Only for me to dissapoint them and afk farm. Or if they joined the other team and thought "I might as well just quit, General John Rippers on the other team"..
Then they quit and I am still afking. |
buddha blezz
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
AFK exploiters should get their skillpoints reset by CCP for cheating , yes making use of such exploit for personal gain is nothing esle then cheating , to me it goes into the same category as aimbots and wallhacks
i dont have any respect for players using this cheap and lame tactic |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:22:00 -
[66] - Quote
This is getting more laughable by the second. So your saying that the people who in previous builds used REs or swarms to kill people were cheating too? What about ARs in the prior build? Or maybe the LOLmissiles on tanks in the prior build. Perhaps even the flux nades 2 builds ago. Were they cheating too? Because those weapons were used by almost everyone because everyone KNEW they were glitched and they were exploiting it. This isnt even a glitch just exploiting the current SP system. As I have said many times it needs to be changed and I know what could be done to change it but as long as you guys are going after us and not CCP they can continue to ignore it.
Its like dogs fighting over a measly scrap of meat instead of attacking the person who refuses to give them the bucket of meat he is carrying. |
Assi9 Ventox
The Hellspawned Ronin Oni Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:24:00 -
[67] - Quote
Someone has to fly the dropship! |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
602
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:28:00 -
[68] - Quote
It's not cheating, it's abusing the system which is done in plenty of games and Eve too |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1245
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:31:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vermaak Doe wrote:It's not cheating, it's abusing the system which is done in plenty of games and Eve too
In EVE it's considered a feature... |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2115
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:31:00 -
[70] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:
so you saying that you will cry about every person AFKing because you need their help with winning? you call me a kid but you are the one who needs to go up. start lifting so you can carry your team and not have to worry about AFKers hell id rather hae AFKers in ambush more kills for me and less kill for the enemy.....man up son
Wow, the childishness is strong in this one.
It's very clear that he only ever thinks of himself |
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:33:00 -
[71] - Quote
Vermaak Doe wrote:It's not cheating, it's abusing the system which is done in plenty of games and Eve too
I admit to the truth here. abuse =/= cheating.
I am the #1 proponent of CCP changing their SP system around so that good players get rewarded more and dont have to play as long to max out their SP. But bad players can play alot and still be able to max out their SP. Both players end up with maxed out SP just the good player got there first because they are better. Right now the different is almost insignificant. |
buddha blezz
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:07:00 -
[72] - Quote
gaining a advantage (more SP) over other players by using a exploit is still cheating , you can excuse aimbots and wallhacks the same way , if there would be no security hole people wouldnt use them either |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:09:00 -
[73] - Quote
But I am not gaining more SP than other players who play. Everybody is gaining the same amount of SP. Its not like I get a boost in SP for going AFK. |
METR0 THE DESTR0YER
UnReaL.
84
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:10:00 -
[74] - Quote
Cuz we too cool to play with you scrubs. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:14:00 -
[75] - Quote
I get a ton of stuff done around the house on wed and thurs AFKing, I don't plan on stopping, this game is too boring to play right now |
buddha blezz
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:14:00 -
[76] - Quote
you are gaining more SP+ISK compared to a player doing nothing in a lobby , at the same time youre indirectly hurting other players that are on your team by not playing, maybe CCP should create a AFK game mode just for you guys so you can have MCC camping partys together and not filling up slots for players who want to have a balanced game
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
I love the comments against AFK farming in here. Its like you assume that one or two people could carry the entire team by participating. Apparently you dont understand just how bad the bluetards are these days.
Case in point - This morning, I jumped on before going to work. I was originally going to AFK farm while I got ready but then I saw that the match opened with only 4v4 so I felt bad and decided to actually contribute.
Soooo, what happened? I went 23/7, was #1 on the team while actively capping letters trying to win the game for the team. What was the result? A LOSS because all of the special freds on my team were too afraid to come into the complex and fight. They all kept to the edges of the map where they were safe and went 1/6 or 2/4 at best.
With that, I ask you champions of participation, whats the point? This is proof positive that you cannot backpack your entire team. All it leads to is frustration, boredom, and an increase in apathy. Id rather keep my furry butt in the MCC and continue to dream of the future while I eat my egg sammich. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
551
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good "Carry The team" lol, just lol
Your team gets squat whether you win or lose, the payout is exactly the same. The only way to get payed better is to do well yourself, some guy going 50-0 on my team doesn't make my paycheck any better. So what do you accomplish by carrying the team? Well let's see.. you increased their W/L ratio, which clearly no one gives a **** about, especially the AFKers... You probably saved them from a few deaths by killing those who would have killed them otherwise, but you also denied them a learning experience.
CCP does not cause this to happen, CCP has created a system which allows this to happen. What causes this to happen? AFKers, AFKers who feel the need to get every little drop of SP because if the don't "Oh no, the noobs will catch up to us"
Maybe it's okay doing it when you're starting out and can't contribute much, maybe it's okay doing it if your're too bored to actually play the game(not saying it is, not saying it isn't), but that's not why most "leet" AFKers do it. They do it because they feel the need to grind SP just so they can stay relevant in a videogame, which is really just downright sad. So they quit trying to blame CCP just because they''re some insecure little ***** who need to have a high standing in a video game in order to make up for their pathetic little lives. |
buddha blezz
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:32:00 -
[79] - Quote
i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
110
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 17:38:00 -
[80] - Quote
Wait a minute... People actually take the time out of their busy schedule of "soaps", "cleaning" and "wife time" to play a game that in reality they aren't even playing?
tip: you'd have more time in your daily duties if you don't even fire up DUST.
You don't need to "pull your team into a win all by yourself" you need to stop playing to give someone else a chance to be part of a team. Mercenary contracts, or "battles" are just that, contracts. Fight and get payed or don't fight and don't get payed. It should be that simple. |
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Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
32
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 17:38:00 -
[81] - Quote
What did you just say? Sorry I was AFK |
Jack Sharkey42
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
57
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 17:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
Friendly fire soon, problem will be better then. |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
499
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 17:56:00 -
[83] - Quote
bro we're AFK/busy checking out good movies like this one. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:00:00 -
[84] - Quote
I have no morals or special values when it comes to participating in an online game. If I want to camp in the MCC and farm SP I am going to. It is a VIDEO GAME people. It's about Doing all the things an average person cannot do in real life, like blow **** up, or mow someone Down with a mass driver, shotty some baddie in the face, steal someone's vehicle or teabag someone with a dropship. So excuse me if I'm not doing what YOU want me to while I'm playing MY game the way I want to play It. There is no code or honor here people. It is not real life. I will not apologize for ruining your gaming experience while I am enjoying mine. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 18:02:00 -
[85] - Quote
buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ?
Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish. |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
499
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:02:00 -
[86] - Quote
Jack Sharkey42 wrote:Friendly fire soon, problem will be better then. who actually AFKs a corp battle? |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:04:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jack Sharkey42 wrote:Friendly fire soon, problem will be better then.
CCP already said FF isnt going to be on normal skirmish modes only clan battles. |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
110
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 18:05:00 -
[88] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish.
Aww Crap, The Warriors might be back with this tactic to be had. lol
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:08:00 -
[89] - Quote
buddha blezz wrote:you are gaining more SP+ISK compared to a player doing nothing in a lobby , at the same time youre indirectly hurting other players that are on your team by not playing, maybe CCP should create a AFK game mode just for you guys so you can have MCC camping partys together and not filling up slots for players who want to have a balanced game
LOL thats just hilarious. Yes I am gaining more SP by joining a game and going AFK then someone who is not even joining a game. This is true............how utterly rediculous of me I never thought of it that way sheesh now I will change my habits completely due to this arguement.
If my team cannot make possibly win with 1 player down then they diserve to lose. I cant be bothered to carry every game I join sometimes I just want the SP and then move on. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 18:13:00 -
[90] - Quote
Ghost-33 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish. Aww Crap, The Warriors might be back with this tactic to be had. lol
Well if we could do this then it would keep the AFKers out of other players hairs so how could they complain? Also it would prove to CCP that their setup has a fatal flaw and needs to be addressed. |
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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:47:00 -
[91] - Quote
Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:I have no morals or special values when it comes to participating in an online game. If I want to camp in the MCC and farm SP I am going to. It is a VIDEO GAME people. It's about Doing all the things an average person cannot do in real life, like blow **** up, or mow someone Down with a mass driver, shotty some baddie in the face, steal someone's vehicle or teabag someone with a dropship. So excuse me if I'm not doing what YOU want me to while I'm playing MY game the way I want to play It. There is no code or honor here people. It is not real life. I will not apologize for ruining your gaming experience while I am enjoying mine.
I highly doubt you save a lack of morals just for video games. That attitude has to blur into your REAL LIFE. Doing what you want in a video game is your choice, but why would you choose a team based game to neglect its purpose? There are plenty of sandbox games that would allow you do whatever without affecting other people who rightly expect participation.
So you like to ruin other people's game experience. . . . and proud about it . . .while ENJOYING sitting in the MCC.
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:I have no morals or special values when it comes to participating in an online game. If I want to camp in the MCC and farm SP I am going to. It is a VIDEO GAME people. It's about Doing all the things an average person cannot do in real life, like blow **** up, or mow someone Down with a mass driver, shotty some baddie in the face, steal someone's vehicle or teabag someone with a dropship. So excuse me if I'm not doing what YOU want me to while I'm playing MY game the way I want to play It. There is no code or honor here people. It is not real life. I will not apologize for ruining your gaming experience while I am enjoying mine. I highly doubt you save a lack of morals just for video games. That attitude has to blur into your REAL LIFE. Doing what you want in a video game is your choice, but why would you choose a team based game to neglect its purpose? There are plenty of sandbox games that would allow you do whatever without affecting other people who rightly expect participation. So you like to ruin other people's game experience. . . . and proud about it . . .while ENJOYING sitting in the MCC.
Then should CCP remove all of the crap blueberries from my game because they ruin my game experience?
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Wicked Glory
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
123
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:54:00 -
[93] - Quote
Until CCP gives me some incentive not to AFK farm then I'll keep doing it. There's just no point to actually playing the game when it gets boring and frustrating after a few games and I can make just as much SP doing nothing as I can from actually playing. |
GoD-NoVa
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
199
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:57:00 -
[94] - Quote
wow some of these people who are fussing at the AFKers are just plain idiots you all should just stop logging into the forums like seriously. i dont AFK but i can clearly see that the AFKers are not at fault with this issue. many of them are tired of this boring game and are too busy to care for this game. but they also want to keep up in sp to get their gear while CCP finds a way to fix this crappy system anyone want to cry about this should get a diaper and a bottle |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:58:00 -
[95] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:I have no morals or special values when it comes to participating in an online game. If I want to camp in the MCC and farm SP I am going to. It is a VIDEO GAME people. It's about Doing all the things an average person cannot do in real life, like blow **** up, or mow someone Down with a mass driver, shotty some baddie in the face, steal someone's vehicle or teabag someone with a dropship. So excuse me if I'm not doing what YOU want me to while I'm playing MY game the way I want to play It. There is no code or honor here people. It is not real life. I will not apologize for ruining your gaming experience while I am enjoying mine. I highly doubt you save a lack of morals just for video games. That attitude has to blur into your REAL LIFE. Doing what you want in a video game is your choice, but why would you choose a team based game to neglect its purpose? There are plenty of sandbox games that would allow you do whatever without affecting other people who rightly expect participation. So you like to ruin other people's game experience. . . . and proud about it . . .while ENJOYING sitting in the MCC. Then should CCP remove all of the crap blueberries from my game because they ruin my game experience?
If you haven't noticed many blueberries are getting better. But there will always be new players. We are talking about effort here, not skill. Contribution, dude. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:02:00 -
[96] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:I have no morals or special values when it comes to participating in an online game. If I want to camp in the MCC and farm SP I am going to. It is a VIDEO GAME people. It's about Doing all the things an average person cannot do in real life, like blow **** up, or mow someone Down with a mass driver, shotty some baddie in the face, steal someone's vehicle or teabag someone with a dropship. So excuse me if I'm not doing what YOU want me to while I'm playing MY game the way I want to play It. There is no code or honor here people. It is not real life. I will not apologize for ruining your gaming experience while I am enjoying mine. I highly doubt you save a lack of morals just for video games. That attitude has to blur into your REAL LIFE. Doing what you want in a video game is your choice, but why would you choose a team based game to neglect its purpose? There are plenty of sandbox games that would allow you do whatever without affecting other people who rightly expect participation. So you like to ruin other people's game experience. . . . and proud about it . . .while ENJOYING sitting in the MCC. Then should CCP remove all of the crap blueberries from my game because they ruin my game experience? If you haven't noticed many blueberries are getting better. But there will always be new players. We are talking about effort here, not skill. Contribution, dude.
Look at my previous post on the last page and then talk to me about the effort and contribution I am seeing in the game right now. This isnt an isolated occurrence either.
And you are dead wrong.. blueberries are getting worse and worse and worse.
Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:03:00 -
[97] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:wow some of these people who are fussing at the AFKers are just plain idiots you all should just stop logging into the forums like seriously. i dont AFK but i can clearly see that the AFKers are not at fault with this issue. many of them are tired of this boring game and are too busy to care for this game. but they also want to keep up in sp to get their gear while CCP finds a way to fix this crappy system anyone want to cry about this should get a diaper and a bottle
Yeah people are actually crying. Tears are actually rolling down cheeks. Stop exaggerating. It's called a valid gripe. If the game is boring, do something else that doesn't screw people who can tolerate the boredom.
I cant wait to you are SP capped so you can quit dust because there will be no reason to eat a sandwhich or take sh!t while your character is nothing more than a statue. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:06:00 -
[98] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:I have no morals or special values when it comes to participating in an online game. If I want to camp in the MCC and farm SP I am going to. It is a VIDEO GAME people. It's about Doing all the things an average person cannot do in real life, like blow **** up, or mow someone Down with a mass driver, shotty some baddie in the face, steal someone's vehicle or teabag someone with a dropship. So excuse me if I'm not doing what YOU want me to while I'm playing MY game the way I want to play It. There is no code or honor here people. It is not real life. I will not apologize for ruining your gaming experience while I am enjoying mine. I highly doubt you save a lack of morals just for video games. That attitude has to blur into your REAL LIFE. Doing what you want in a video game is your choice, but why would you choose a team based game to neglect its purpose? There are plenty of sandbox games that would allow you do whatever without affecting other people who rightly expect participation. So you like to ruin other people's game experience. . . . and proud about it . . .while ENJOYING sitting in the MCC. Then should CCP remove all of the crap blueberries from my game because they ruin my game experience? If you haven't noticed many blueberries are getting better. But there will always be new players. We are talking about effort here, not skill. Contribution, dude. Look at my previous post on the last page and then talk to me about the effort and contribution I am seeing in the game right now. This isnt an isolated occurrence either. And you are dead wrong.. blueberries are getting worse and worse and worse. Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
You know I cant prove that. Every match is different. Every one on one battle is different. I can only say my KDR slowed after rising fast at open beta. 5 years from now you will still see someone shooting at the MCC. But by then, I hope they are able to hit the squatters in there. |
GoD-NoVa
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
200
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:08:00 -
[99] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:wow some of these people who are fussing at the AFKers are just plain idiots you all should just stop logging into the forums like seriously. i dont AFK but i can clearly see that the AFKers are not at fault with this issue. many of them are tired of this boring game and are too busy to care for this game. but they also want to keep up in sp to get their gear while CCP finds a way to fix this crappy system anyone want to cry about this should get a diaper and a bottle Yeah people are actually crying. Tears are actually rolling down cheeks. Stop exaggerating. It's called a valid gripe. If the game is boring, do something else that doesn't screw people who can tolerate the boredom. I cant wait to you are SP capped so you can quit dust because there will be no reason to eat a sandwhich or take sh!t while your character is nothing more than a statue.
you must be one of the weaker players who have cried about not winning a match because one guy on your team AFKed |
BLCKDG
ROYAL SQUAD
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:09:00 -
[100] - Quote
Quote:
Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
I was new once, you were too. I was blueberry once, you were too. Were my c0okie? |
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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:14:00 -
[101] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:I love the comments against AFK farming in here. Its like you assume that one or two people could carry the entire team by participating. Apparently you dont understand just how bad the bluetards are these days.
Case in point - This morning, I jumped on before going to work. I was originally going to AFK farm while I got ready but then I saw that the match opened with only 4v4 so I felt bad and decided to actually contribute.
Soooo, what happened? I went 23/7, was #1 on the team while actively capping letters trying to win the game for the team. What was the result? A LOSS because all of the special freds on my team were too afraid to come into the complex and fight. They all kept to the edges of the map where they were safe and went 1/6 or 2/4 at best.
With that, I ask you champions of participation, whats the point? This is proof positive that you cannot backpack your entire team. All it leads to is frustration, boredom, and an increase in apathy. Id rather keep my furry butt in the MCC and continue to dream of the future while I eat my egg sammich.
You generalize the bad performance of players around you like everybody is the same, every match is the same, that a player that goes negative in one game cant have a 40 kill game in a different skirmish.
Yes, people who play games that highlight participation actually do expect that to be the main component of the match. And you ridicule this? What other types of purpose do you miss? |
Schalac 17
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
This isn't an exploit, I just choose who I fight for and who I don't. That should not stop me from taking any contract that will still pay me regardless of completion or failure. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:17:00 -
[103] - Quote
BLCKDG wrote:Quote:
Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
I was new once, you were too. I was blueberry once, you were too. Were my c0 okie?
Yeah, I was new.. but then I also read about what the objectives of the game formats were. I knew I actually needed to capture a letter to win the match
Cookie denied. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:25:00 -
[104] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:BLCKDG wrote:Quote:
Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
I was new once, you were too. I was blueberry once, you were too. Were my c0 okie? Yeah, I was new.. but then I also read about what the objectives of the game formats were. I knew I actually needed to capture a letter to win the match Cookie denied.
You do realize that you are assuming to know what is going on in other players heads while you are witnessing them in judgement, right? And maybe you know the circumstances surrounding what led to those players to thinking that way, too.
No, cookie, I'll take a blueberry muffin. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:26:00 -
[105] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:I love the comments against AFK farming in here. Its like you assume that one or two people could carry the entire team by participating. Apparently you dont understand just how bad the bluetards are these days.
Case in point - This morning, I jumped on before going to work. I was originally going to AFK farm while I got ready but then I saw that the match opened with only 4v4 so I felt bad and decided to actually contribute.
Soooo, what happened? I went 23/7, was #1 on the team while actively capping letters trying to win the game for the team. What was the result? A LOSS because all of the special freds on my team were too afraid to come into the complex and fight. They all kept to the edges of the map where they were safe and went 1/6 or 2/4 at best.
With that, I ask you champions of participation, whats the point? This is proof positive that you cannot backpack your entire team. All it leads to is frustration, boredom, and an increase in apathy. Id rather keep my furry butt in the MCC and continue to dream of the future while I eat my egg sammich. You generalize the bad performance of players around you like everybody is the same, every match is the same, that a player that goes negative in one game cant have a 40 kill game in a different skirmish. Yes, people who play games that highlight participation actually do expect that to be the main component of the match. And you ridicule this? What other types of purpose do you miss?
lol, this is laughable. I am not talking about players who go negative, I am talking about players that do nothing even when trying. If someone goes 8/10 one match with 700+ WP, they are contributing. People going 2/3 or 1/4 with sub 300 WP are contributing as much as an AFK farmer.
If you actualy read what everyone is saying here, you would realize that we ALL see this and its not just once. This isnt about a learning curve and they all really really trying... they are horribad.
Every game is a redline and there is nothing that one or two people can to do fix that.
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Vitoka79 from SVK
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
37
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:28:00 -
[106] - Quote
All this crap about this AFK farming makes me sad.very sad.the best argument i heard till now was "i dont like this game anymore ,so i AFK,,.whaaaaaat? |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:36:00 -
[107] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:BLCKDG wrote:Quote:
Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
I was new once, you were too. I was blueberry once, you were too. Were my c0 okie? Yeah, I was new.. but then I also read about what the objectives of the game formats were. I knew I actually needed to capture a letter to win the match Cookie denied. You do realize that you are assuming to know what is going on in other players heads while you are witnessing them in judgement, right? And maybe you know the circumstances surrounding what led to those players to thinking that way, too. No, cookie, I'll take a blueberry muffin.
I am basing my interpretation about what I see....
Situation A - There are a clump of blueberries around the CRU and firing around them, nobody is pushing out.. I spawn, run to objective C (nobody is there) cap it, and then run to objective A and cap that. Before I am done with A, the enemy had already had the time to move to C and de-hack. Wanna know where all the blueberries still are? Around the CRU or running out into the open part of the map and away from anything that could be productive to winning the match.
You seem to think that these matches are coming down to the wire and you only needed that AFK'er to push you over the top. Take off the rose tinted glasses |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
75
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:37:00 -
[108] - Quote
Jack Sharkey42 wrote:Friendly fire soon, problem will be better then.
This pretty much sums up why I dont care about AFKing anymore. I used to hate people that do it, but now Ive joined them. Why? Because most of you people cannot pay attention to even the tiniest of details. It genuinely ruins my gaming experience when I personally am doing well, but the rest of my team is too busy doing I dont even know what. Im trying to think of what they do and I cant for the life of me. This game is so simple, you go and take letters and kill people along the way. Why is it so hard for you people!? I bet half you people complaining are the same people that will rez someone even though you know theyre gonna get shot right back down just cause you want the 60 points. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:54:00 -
[109] - Quote
Schalac 17 wrote:This isn't an exploit, I just choose who I fight for and who I don't. That should not stop me from taking any contract that will still pay me regardless of completion or failure. Then quit the match and join another. Stop screwing everybody else`s game because you wanna cry. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:02:00 -
[110] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:BLCKDG wrote:Quote:
Prove me wrong and you get a cookie
I was new once, you were too. I was blueberry once, you were too. Were my c0 okie? Yeah, I was new.. but then I also read about what the objectives of the game formats were. I knew I actually needed to capture a letter to win the match Cookie denied. You do realize that you are assuming to know what is going on in other players heads while you are witnessing them in judgement, right? And maybe you know the circumstances surrounding what led to those players to thinking that way, too. No, cookie, I'll take a blueberry muffin. I am basing my interpretation about what I see.... Situation A - There are a clump of blueberries around the CRU and firing around them, nobody is pushing out.. I spawn, run to objective C (nobody is there) cap it, and then run to objective A and cap that. Before I am done with A, the enemy had already had the time to move to C and de-hack. Wanna know where all the blueberries still are? Around the CRU or running out into the open part of the map and away from anything that could be productive to winning the match. You seem to think that these matches are coming down to the wire and you only needed that AFK'er to push you over the top. Take off the rose tinted glasses
You are not the only person with a brain that plays this game. So you can think in a creative way while those you think less off die in some inferior way, great. I witness the same thing. These mcc squatters would farm if there was picking your nose skill. And be pretty good at it.
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Schalac 17
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:04:00 -
[111] - Quote
Sojuro Ryo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:This isn't an exploit, I just choose who I fight for and who I don't. That should not stop me from taking any contract that will still pay me regardless of completion or failure. Then quit the match and join another. Stop screwing everybody else`s game because you wanna cry. Who is crying? Not me. It is called being a MERC. I get to choose who I fight for. If I don't want to help out the frog corps and decide to just take their money for not doing anything then that is my prerogative. So how about you stop crying. |
Mercian Enforcer
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:13:00 -
[112] - Quote
Good corps and players rofl.....Large corps and fame seekers whom prove what knobheads they are. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:13:00 -
[113] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:
You are not the only person with a brain that plays this game. So you can think in a creative way while those you think less off die in some inferior way, great. I witness the same thing. These mcc squatters would farm if there was picking your nose skill. And be pretty good at it.
How about you think of it this way. AFK farming is the workers disability program of DUST. We are all just collecting our checks right now after having to backpack you fools over and over again. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1246
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:25:00 -
[114] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish.
Genius, we can take over one of the event servers and claim it's a protest, so we are now roleplaying too! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
552
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:26:00 -
[115] - Quote
GoD-NoVa wrote:wow some of these people who are fussing at the AFKers are just plain idiots you all should just stop logging into the forums like seriously. i dont AFK but i can clearly see that the AFKers are not at fault with this issue. many of them are tired of this boring game and are too busy to care for this game. but they also want to keep up in sp to get their gear while CCP finds a way to fix this crappy system anyone want to cry about this should get a diaper and a bottle "I want my gear, but I don't want to earn it"
Yes CCP is Partially at fault, but quit acting like if the AFKers don't get to choose how they play. I don't even mind them, but the **** you're saying is stupid. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
512
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish. Genius, we can take over one of the event servers and claim it's a protest, so we are now roleplaying too!
can I get in on this? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
146
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:50:00 -
[117] - Quote
Ghost-33 wrote:Wait a minute... People actually take the time out of their busy schedule of "soaps", "cleaning" and "wife time" to play a game that in reality they aren't even playing?
tip: you'd have more time in your daily duties if you don't even fire up DUST.
You don't need to "pull your team into a win all by yourself" you need to stop playing to give someone else a chance to be part of a team. Mercenary contracts, or "battles" are just that, contracts. Fight and get payed or don't fight and don't get payed. It should be that simple.
QFT. This is not hard people, but I do enjoy the twisted attempts to justify being a dbag to the rest of the team.
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GoD-NoVa
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
203
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:50:00 -
[118] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:wow some of these people who are fussing at the AFKers are just plain idiots you all should just stop logging into the forums like seriously. i dont AFK but i can clearly see that the AFKers are not at fault with this issue. many of them are tired of this boring game and are too busy to care for this game. but they also want to keep up in sp to get their gear while CCP finds a way to fix this crappy system anyone want to cry about this should get a diaper and a bottle "I want my gear, but I don't want to earn it" Yes CCP is Partially at fault, but quit acting like if the AFKers don't get to choose how they play. I don't even mind them, but the **** you're saying is stupid.
the **** i say is the truth and how everyone is feeling right now, get with the program |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1246
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:52:00 -
[119] - Quote
slap26 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish. Genius, we can take over one of the event servers and claim it's a protest, so we are now roleplaying too! can I get in on this?
It is a protest against Unreal by people they have dodged ... so all are welcome! |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
Don't forget to sign up on the afkfarming channel on dust, it's easier to hang in the MCC with a whole squad!!! |
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:58:00 -
[121] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:Ghost-33 wrote:Wait a minute... People actually take the time out of their busy schedule of "soaps", "cleaning" and "wife time" to play a game that in reality they aren't even playing?
tip: you'd have more time in your daily duties if you don't even fire up DUST.
You don't need to "pull your team into a win all by yourself" you need to stop playing to give someone else a chance to be part of a team. Mercenary contracts, or "battles" are just that, contracts. Fight and get payed or don't fight and don't get payed. It should be that simple. QFT. This is not hard people, but I do enjoy the twisted attempts to justify being a dbag to the rest of the team.
Pay me 5mil ISK and I will throw you on my back and give you a tour of the battlefield. I will show you sights you have never seen before like what an objective looks like. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
146
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:04:00 -
[122] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ghost-33 wrote:Wait a minute... People actually take the time out of their busy schedule of "soaps", "cleaning" and "wife time" to play a game that in reality they aren't even playing?
tip: you'd have more time in your daily duties if you don't even fire up DUST.
You don't need to "pull your team into a win all by yourself" you need to stop playing to give someone else a chance to be part of a team. Mercenary contracts, or "battles" are just that, contracts. Fight and get payed or don't fight and don't get payed. It should be that simple. QFT. This is not hard people, but I do enjoy the twisted attempts to justify being a dbag to the rest of the team. Pay me 5mil ISK and I will throw you on my back and give you a tour of the battlefield. I will show you sights you have never seen before like what an objective looks like.
Twist a little more please. I play the game just fine, and why would a pay a dbag like you. You'd probably just afk condidering that's your forte right? |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:19:00 -
[123] - Quote
IF you play the game just fine then why do you need me? How would I or any of the other guys called out in this thread help since you obviously have it in the bag already?
I will make a deal with you. I will play the game if you personally give each and every blue dot lessons on what they need to be doing in the game.
You make it interesting, we will play the game. Its on you now buddy, have at it. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
146
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:25:00 -
[124] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:IF you play the game just fine then why do you need me? How would I or any of the other guys called out in this thread help since you obviously have it in the bag already?
I will make a deal with you. I will play the game if you personally give each and every blue dot lessons on what they need to be doing in the game.
You make it interesting, we will play the game. Its on you now buddy, have at it.
"We" don't need you. We'd prefer you leave or play, but don't bs in the mcc thinking you're too leet to play, thereby tainting the entire game with your fail. Thanks.
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:38:00 -
[125] - Quote
My only fail is continuing to care what you opinion is considering you arent even absorbing what everyone is telling you about why they AFK.
You can QQ all you want but Im done responding ... peace out girlscout |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
146
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:44:00 -
[126] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:My only fail is continuing to care what you opinion is considering you arent even absorbing what everyone is telling you about why they AFK.
You can QQ all you want but Im done responding ... peace out girlscout I understand the reason. Afkers are selfish dbags who care only about thrnselves and their stats, and look down on other players to the point they think it's ok to screw the team over in order to pad their sp.
Did I miss something? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1246
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:47:00 -
[127] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:My only fail is continuing to care what you opinion is considering you arent even absorbing what everyone is telling you about why they AFK.
You can QQ all you want but Im done responding ... peace out girlscout I understand the reason. Afkers are selfish dbags who care only about themselves and their stats, and look down on other players to the point they think it's ok to screw the team over in order to pad their sp. Did I miss something?
Yeah... it's just a game. Back up until the womb and try again. Maybe you'll do better next time. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:53:00 -
[128] - Quote
WTH do people get so worked up when I am AFK?
PROTIP: get over it. I'm tired of laughing at the responses |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
22
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Posted - 2013.03.22 22:22:00 -
[129] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:I do lol when people try to put all the blame on CCP though, you're both to blame, no one is forcing you to grind SP you greedy bastards.
Yay! GREEDY BASTARDS!! |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
501
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Posted - 2013.03.22 22:47:00 -
[130] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ghost-33 wrote:Wait a minute... People actually take the time out of their busy schedule of "soaps", "cleaning" and "wife time" to play a game that in reality they aren't even playing?
tip: you'd have more time in your daily duties if you don't even fire up DUST.
You don't need to "pull your team into a win all by yourself" you need to stop playing to give someone else a chance to be part of a team. Mercenary contracts, or "battles" are just that, contracts. Fight and get payed or don't fight and don't get payed. It should be that simple. QFT. This is not hard people, but I do enjoy the twisted attempts to justify being a dbag to the rest of the team. Pay me 5mil ISK and I will throw you on my back and give you a tour of the battlefield. I will show you sights you have never seen before like what an objective looks like. lmao |
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Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
501
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Posted - 2013.03.22 22:50:00 -
[131] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Ghost-33 wrote:Wait a minute... People actually take the time out of their busy schedule of "soaps", "cleaning" and "wife time" to play a game that in reality they aren't even playing?
tip: you'd have more time in your daily duties if you don't even fire up DUST.
You don't need to "pull your team into a win all by yourself" you need to stop playing to give someone else a chance to be part of a team. Mercenary contracts, or "battles" are just that, contracts. Fight and get payed or don't fight and don't get payed. It should be that simple. QFT. This is not hard people, but I do enjoy the twisted attempts to justify being a dbag to the rest of the team. Pay me 5mil ISK and I will throw you on my back and give you a tour of the battlefield. I will show you sights you have never seen before like what an objective looks like. Twist a little more please. I play the game just fine, and why would a pay a dbag like you? You'd probably just afk considering that's your forte right? You know that even a quick battle is a contract. You signed up to fight, or is that too hard to comprehend? Your choice to legitimately choose to fight or not happened before you signed up for the battle, but no matter. I'm sure they'll be some skills in afking soon that you can skill up in if that's the way you like to play. I mean, kittens, CCP already gives you passive sp. How pathetic do you have to be to still afk when you're already being given passive points? Lol.
bro plz stop with the lolroleplaying bullsht.. no one signed a contract, they pushed L1 and selected some pub match where a bunch of tryhards are raging about nothing. |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
501
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Posted - 2013.03.22 22:52:00 -
[132] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:IF you play the game just fine then why do you need me? How would I or any of the other guys called out in this thread help since you obviously have it in the bag already?
I will make a deal with you. I will play the game if you personally give each and every blue dot lessons on what they need to be doing in the game.
You make it interesting, we will play the game. Its on you now buddy, have at it. "We" don't need you. We'd prefer you leave or play, but don't bs in the mcc thinking you're too leet to play, thereby taunting the entire game with your fail. Thanks.
fixed |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
501
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Posted - 2013.03.22 22:56:00 -
[133] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:IF you play the game just fine then why do you need me? How would I or any of the other guys called out in this thread help since you obviously have it in the bag already?
I will make a deal with you. I will play the game if you personally give each and every blue dot lessons on what they need to be doing in the game.
You make it interesting, we will play the game. Its on you now buddy, have at it. "We" don't need you. We'd prefer you leave or play, but don't bs in the mcc thinking you're too leet to play, thereby tainting the entire game with your fail. Thanks. Trust me, in general, I think the blue dots suck too, but that's not an excuse to add to the dismay by adding suck to the game. At least it isn't for me. Personally, I don't care if you play or leave, but don't waste a slot kittening around in the mcc that might be used by a player who wants to, you know, play the game. I'd rather play with blue dots that suck, but want to play, than people who think they're too good to actually play the game. Fine, go away then.
i guess this includes your corp members you fail to squad with and instead depend on randoms to carry you |
miahus
SyNergy Gaming
79
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:15:00 -
[134] - Quote
I am not saying what they're doing is not wrong, but what really encourages them is skirmish being glitched. why would I do a 39/1 in a pub skirmish if my results aren't updated in my character info? instead, I will let my butler farm sp in the mcc for me while am at work.
And to those who go out of their way and suicide into afk players, I got a story for you
Once upon a time I forgot to restock in the MQ, so I did while I was in the mcc, while doing so a blueberry (I assume he thought I was afk) tried to suicide bomb me, I run a heavy with 1000+hp. I finish restocking my dropsuits and vehicles, he respawns in the mcc again and empties an smg clip in me. I jump down, he follows. we hit the ground he starts shooting me while I was standing still waiting for the HAV I just called in. RDV arrives, drops the HAV and the shooting stops because it was dropped on his head.
moral of the story is trying to get back at afk players won't help you nor your team. it actually can back fire at you. instead, you can back out of the match, or practice some tactics, like how to fight when outnumbered. a remote explosives hacker ninja scout is fun and very useful on such situations...or there is always the damage modded charge sniper rifle.
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Y0UR NAME HERE
UnReaL.
655
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:55:00 -
[135] - Quote
I personally like my welfare, especially if I'm busy.
How can I afford a party without welfare?
Currently in skirmish ESPECIALLY we get disconnected during game.
As a tank driver that means, there's over a million down the toilette to a ccp error.
So yes I will take my welfare while doing something other then random disconnects. |
BLCKDG
ROYAL SQUAD
3
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:15:00 -
[136] - Quote
Just to get this right....
If my team sux afk farm... I could use cheapysuits and play and contribute or explore different tactics in different map areas or Sit in the mcc chewing on cud.
Those that park in the mcc. what do u do? litteraly eat sandwiches and read hate mail?
Then match ends and collect pay?
Noobs are noobs no matter where u are. if these pub matches blow why not corp battle? The more ccp promotes its product noobs will flock and play cod on ccp servers. If you know what the future holds will the corps start up more matches or let their guys troll pub matches. Besides corp batts big legues. Pub stomp is like a high schooler playin dodgeball with a 5 year old kickin butt and hi fivevin his buds..
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Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:21:00 -
[137] - Quote
CCP, when will the marketplace stock more items? I could use some chocolate, marshmallows and graham crackers, Plus a decent tent, and make sure the proto stuff is GOOD! I want to spec into the best gear for skirmish. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
95
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:25:00 -
[138] - Quote
Lots of peeps seem to be doing this with alt characters, I guess . ... who can blame them, at the same time I hate them to hell. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
559
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Posted - 2013.03.23 04:21:00 -
[139] - Quote
Anarchide wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I do lol when people try to put all the blame on CCP though, you're both to blame, no one is forcing you to grind SP you greedy bastards. Yay! GREEDY BASTARDS!! lol |
Vitoka79 from SVK
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
37
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Posted - 2013.03.23 08:11:00 -
[140] - Quote
It's a good thing that this crap is happening in the beta.Plenty of time for CCP to fix this ,,anomaly,,. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1250
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Posted - 2013.03.23 08:56:00 -
[141] - Quote
Vitoka79 from SVK wrote:It's a good thing that this crap is happening in the beta.Plenty of time for CCP to fix this ,,anomaly,, .
It's a released game with no more resets... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
562
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Posted - 2013.03.23 09:01:00 -
[142] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Vitoka79 from SVK wrote:It's a good thing that this crap is happening in the beta.Plenty of time for CCP to fix this ,,anomaly,, . It's a released game with no more resets... It's still a beta and it's meant to stress test the servers, but hey, If you want us all to get reset again then sure, why not? I'm sure you have more to lose than me, I've got 2.5 mill SP, you down? I'm sure the AFKers would be happy to know that they and everybody else have been wasting their time for the last 2 months. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1250
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Posted - 2013.03.23 11:37:00 -
[143] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Vitoka79 from SVK wrote:It's a good thing that this crap is happening in the beta.Plenty of time for CCP to fix this ,,anomaly,, . It's a released game with no more resets... It's still a beta and it's meant to stress test the servers, but hey, If you want us all to get reset again then sure, why not? I'm sure you have more to lose than me, I've got 2.5 mill SP, you down? I'm sure the AFKers would be happy to know that they and everybody else have been wasting their time for the last 2 months.
CCP considers BETA to be a marketing term for a game that will see future content. That is such a perversion of the term. The stress test already happened. The balance of current assets already happened. There will be expansions, not wholesale revisions, from this point forward.
Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. |
Kreayshawn Coruscanti
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
134
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Posted - 2013.03.23 11:59:00 -
[144] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Vitoka79 from SVK wrote:It's a good thing that this crap is happening in the beta.Plenty of time for CCP to fix this ,,anomaly,, . It's a released game with no more resets... It's still a beta and it's meant to stress test the servers, but hey, If you want us all to get reset again then sure, why not? I'm sure you have more to lose than me, I've got 2.5 mill SP, you down? I'm sure the AFKers would be happy to know that they and everybody else have been wasting their time for the last 2 months. CCP considers BETA to be a marketing term for a game that will see future content. That is such a perversion of the term. The stress test already happened. The balance of current assets already happened. There will be expansions, not wholesale revisions, from this point forward. Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. http://i.imgur.com/Ri46DOT.gif |
Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:02:00 -
[145] - Quote
The idle mechanic and the distance traveled mechanic will put an end to this one. When implemented, if you do not engage or get engaged with an enemy in a set time, you will get booted with 0 isk and 0 sp.. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2095
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:20:00 -
[146] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. I've asked this of several people before (and I think you may have been one of them. Still waiting on an answer.
Source? |
Panther AIpha
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:31:00 -
[147] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. I've asked this of several people before (and I think you may have been one of them. Still waiting on an answer. Source?
I guess is the fact that is an AUR market, people is spending "real" money in the game, and DUST 514 is in the PSN market as a FULL game.... not a demo.
CCP is making money from this game... so that is the equivalent of an "Official Release". |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2096
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:39:00 -
[148] - Quote
Panther AIpha wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. I've asked this of several people before (and I think you may have been one of them. Still waiting on an answer. Source? I guess is the fact that is an AUR market, people is spending "real" money in the game, and DUST 514 is in the PSN market as a FULL game.... not a demo. CCP is making money from this game... so that is the equivalent of an "Official Release". 1. It's not the first beta to have functional microtransactions before release. 2. The AUR market existed when we were still in closed beta. 3. A beta isn't a demo, it's n incomplete product.
Almost every point Noc used to "prove" that it's a commercial release is flat-out false. Balance issues and basic core gameplay elements are still be altered and redesigned on a fairly regular basis. |
James TrendalI
BetaMax. CRONOS.
10
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:40:00 -
[149] - Quote
When blueberries steal my tank and cost me over 2 million a game they have to suffer me hogging up a slot while i AFK farm isk to make that tank back. Also if the blueberries are stupid enough to spawn on my drop uplinks then hey i will take those free SP's to. |
Panther AIpha
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:56:00 -
[150] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Panther AIpha wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. I've asked this of several people before (and I think you may have been one of them. Still waiting on an answer. Source? I guess is the fact that is an AUR market, people is spending "real" money in the game, and DUST 514 is in the PSN market as a FULL game.... not a demo. CCP is making money from this game... so that is the equivalent of an "Official Release". 1. It's not the first beta to have functional microtransactions before release. 2. The AUR market existed when we were still in closed beta. 3. A beta isn't a demo, it's n incomplete product. Almost every point Noc used to "prove" that it's a commercial release is flat-out false. Balance issues and basic core gameplay elements are still be altered and redesigned on a fairly regular basis.
Sorry... but the full thing is misleading. Most people will get Dust 514 thinking that is the official release. "Work in progress" can be interpreted in different ways.
Right now, it feels like we getting about 10% of the game... which for most people that will be the equivalent of a "Demo".
Is a poor marketing strategy from CCP, and they losing potential costumers by releasing a "Demo", and then call it an "Open Beta" |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1251
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Posted - 2013.03.23 13:26:00 -
[151] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Oh, and we are officially commercially released. That's not semantics, that's a fact. I've asked this of several people before (and I think you may have been one of them. Still waiting on an answer. Source?
"To clarify when DUST 514 joined EVE on TQ on January 10th and subsequently opened to the public on Jan 22nd this became our commercial launch. With this in mind we are now unable to grant AUR or character resets moving forward." - CCP Customer Relations |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
574
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Posted - 2013.03.23 18:49:00 -
[152] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:The stress test already happened. . Yes, because things go oh so smoothly whenever we have 32 vs 32 events? I lagged like crazy in about 5 matches on tuesday and just flat out got kicked from 3 of them because the system was tripping out, I also know I'm not the only person it happened to. So yeah, we still need some more testing before we ever get past 16 vs 16. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
180
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Posted - 2013.03.23 18:55:00 -
[153] - Quote
Richard Sebire wrote:The idle mechanic and the distance traveled mechanic will put an end to this one. When implemented, if you do not engage or get engaged with an enemy in a set time, you will get booted with 0 isk and 0 sp..
I'm sorry but what?
You'd have to move around on the map or fight someone to not get kicked? That's BS Level 5 with BS Profficiency Level 1.
There are plenty and I mean PLENTY of different things that would cause players to get kicked because they don't adhere to this crap.
Sniping- Technically you're not engaging the enemy Logistics- Your main job is to support. Mapping- You're active but you're feeding your team info by looking at the Tactnet Map. Hiding- Nuff said And then some.
I'm pretty sure those rules aren't official and if they were these forums would be set-a-blaze with players crying tears of flames. Me included. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
97
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:06:00 -
[154] - Quote
I think he means if you don't get war points in a set amount of time you get kicked. |
EKH0 0ne
RestlessSpirits
1
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:16:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:My only fail is continuing to care what you opinion is considering you arent even absorbing what everyone is telling you about why they AFK.
You can QQ all you want but Im done responding ... peace out girlscout I understand the reason. Afkers are selfish dbags who care only about themselves and their stats, and look down on other players to the point they think it's ok to screw the team over in order to pad their sp. Did I miss something?
You anti-AFK'ers are the ones who wants to change the rules and limit how others play the game so you can have a better experience? Now who's being selfish? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
574
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:19:00 -
[156] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote: You anti-AFK'ers are the ones who wants to change the rules and limit how others play the game so you can have a better experience? Now who's being selfish?
lol, you must really hate the redline. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2106
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:23:00 -
[157] - Quote
Roy Ventus wrote:Richard Sebire wrote:The idle mechanic and the distance traveled mechanic will put an end to this one. When implemented, if you do not engage or get engaged with an enemy in a set time, you will get booted with 0 isk and 0 sp.. I'm sorry but what? You'd have to move around on the map or fight someone to not get kicked? That's BS Level 5 with BS Profficiency Level 1. There are plenty and I mean PLENTY of different things that would cause players to get kicked because they don't adhere to this crap. Sniping- Technically you're not engaging the enemy Logistics- Your main job is to support. Mapping- You're active but you're feeding your team info by looking at the Tactnet Map. Hiding- Nuff said And then some. I'm pretty sure those rules aren't official and if they were these forums would be set-a-blaze with players crying tears of flames. Me included. Sniping: You're moving from/to a location to snipe, marking enemies with scope, and firing at (engaging) enemies. Logistics: If you're not moving as a Logi, then you're probably doing something wrong. Not necessarily, but even so, you'll have to be actively performing actions to get WPs, even though you may be technically engaging with teammates rather than enemies. Mapping: Unless you're squad leader, and therefore using the map to set and alter squad orders, there's no reason to be doing this for a significant amount of time. Hiding: If you're hiding in a position for long enough, and not moving at all, even slightly, then you're not active and not productive at all and shouldn't be considered as such.
As long as there's a reasonable time limit on the idle system, and earning WPs actively (Repair Tool, Assists, Squad Commission) consistently, then you should be fine. If you aren't fine, I'll be complaining too. |
EKH0 0ne
RestlessSpirits
1
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:30:00 -
[158] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote: You anti-AFK'ers are the ones who wants to change the rules and limit how others play the game so you can have a better experience? Now who's being selfish?
lol, you must really hate the redline.
??? |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
103
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:19:00 -
[159] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Kitten Commander wrote:My only fail is continuing to care what you opinion is considering you arent even absorbing what everyone is telling you about why they AFK.
You can QQ all you want but Im done responding ... peace out girlscout I understand the reason. Afkers are selfish dbags who care only about themselves and their stats, and look down on other players to the point they think it's ok to screw the team over in order to pad their sp. Did I miss something? You anti-AFK'ers are the ones who wants to change the rules and limit how others play the game so you can have a better experience? Now who's being selfish?
Yeah, a better experience as a team. This is a team game. How does that escape you? It's not selfish, it's a reasonable expectation. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:30:00 -
[160] - Quote
lulz, this is still going on? CCP will never put a kick method based on warpoints.. wanna know why? because every fresh blueberry that doesnt know how to play the game yet will be kicked from the game and give up.
Wanna make the game interesting and keep people from AFKing or redline sniping? Then CCP can choose from multiple good ideas that are already on this forum
- Time limit for how long you can be behind the redline (couple minutes at least) - No WP for actions taken behind the redline - Move the redline back
Honestly, I think that they need to give a larger bonus for hacking a letter and WP for de-hacking. There should also be a bonus for being within a certain radius of the hacked letter as that will give blueberries more incentive to be in the thick of things. CCP needs to stop catering to the lowest common denominator. If they want noobs to have a chance, then they need to make a game mode or area that can only be accessed if you are below a certain amount of SP.
If you want something to change then come up with a solution instead of whining or nobody is going to take your seriously. |
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Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
103
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:49:00 -
[161] - Quote
Kitten Commander wrote:lulz, this is still going on? CCP will never put a kick method based on warpoints.. wanna know why? because every fresh blueberry that doesnt know how to play the game yet will be kicked from the game and give up.
Wanna make the game interesting and keep people from AFKing or redline sniping? Then CCP can choose from multiple good ideas that are already on this forum
- Time limit for how long you can be behind the redline (couple minutes at least) - No WP for actions taken behind the redline - Move the redline back
Honestly, I think that they need to give a larger bonus for hacking a letter and WP for de-hacking. There should also be a bonus for being within a certain radius of the hacked letter as that will give blueberries more incentive to be in the thick of things. CCP needs to stop catering to the lowest common denominator. If they want noobs to have a chance, then they need to make a game mode or area that can only be accessed if you are below a certain amount of SP.
If you want something to change then come up with a solution instead of whining or nobody is going to take your seriously.
Solutions . . . Depending on the suit, if you sit in the MCC, a heavy will shrink into a skinny midget and must enter the next match as a midget. A logi would get a flashing message on the screen that says, "your teamwork sucks". It will get brighter and brighter until he goes blind and he must enter the next match without sight. An assault player will have to shove a Gek up his butt and enter the next match with it protruding from his butt. And a sniper will be directed away from dust to a different game altogether: duck hunt. Take that seriously. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
386
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:50:00 -
[162] - Quote
I swear some of the ideas on this subject are just so idiotic. Seriously would it be smart to spend time coding an entire idle system with all the information that has to be interpreted to determine if that person is active or inactive instead of just changing the SP system such that it is not worth AFKing for SP? If you get 1 SP per second and 5 SP per WP virtually noone will be AFKing for SP. It would take so long to get anywhere but if you played the game you would max out in about 20 games easy. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:56:00 -
[163] - Quote
James TrendalI wrote:When blueberries steal my tank and cost me over 2 million a game they have to suffer me hogging up a slot while i AFK farm isk to make that tank back. Also if the blueberries are stupid enough to spawn on my drop uplinks then hey i will take those free SP's to.
Thanks for the tank James!! Keep em coming!! |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
267
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:01:00 -
[164] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate.
it's called having burned out on pub matches |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
104
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:16:00 -
[165] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. it's called having burned out on pub matches
when I'm burned out, I don't turn the game on. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
578
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:28:00 -
[166] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote: You anti-AFK'ers are the ones who wants to change the rules and limit how others play the game so you can have a better experience? Now who's being selfish?
lol, you must really hate the redline. ??? Clearly it limits your ability to run in there and kill the other team. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
578
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:29:00 -
[167] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. it's called having burned out on pub matches when I'm burned out, I don't turn the game on. I play Tekken, or Dark Souls, though I've been burned out from those too for a while now. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
386
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:30:00 -
[168] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. it's called having burned out on pub matches when I'm burned out, I don't turn the game on.
Then you will lose out on active SP.
Once I have everything upgraded for my specialty I will not concern myself so much with maxing out my active SP every week. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:32:00 -
[169] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. it's called having burned out on pub matches when I'm burned out, I don't turn the game on.
Whatever floats your boat man, when I'm burned out I play skirmish while drinking a pint at the pub next door |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
578
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:35:00 -
[170] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:
Then you will lose out on active SP.
I'm sorry to tell you that no matter how much you AFK, there will always be no-lifers with more SP than you. But hey, as long as you stay relevant in a video game, who cares if you're having fun or not right?
I wish CCP would just switch over to the roll over system already. |
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
386
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:46:00 -
[171] - Quote
Yes my life revolves around being relevant in this video game...............
I dont care about no lifers or people with boosters they all have more SP than I do. |
Grace ling Pearl
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:23:00 -
[172] - Quote
RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore.
Who the hell are you. I guess we can't all be perfect like you. I've been playing for a little over a month and I go 0-6 alot. That's because I try to help take over game space, and I don't have the skills or equipment to compete. But I try and don't just stand in one place. The only way to learn is to keep trying, than maybe we can all be as good as you!!! |
Grace ling Pearl
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:39:00 -
[173] - Quote
Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:WTH do people get so worked up when I am AFK?
PROTIP: get over it. I'm tired of laughing at the responses
The actions of people who misplay a game as intended serves only as a mirror of how they play their own lives!
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Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:49:00 -
[174] - Quote
Grace ling Pearl wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:WTH do people get so worked up when I am AFK?
PROTIP: get over it. I'm tired of laughing at the responses The actions of people who misplay a game as intended serves only as a mirror of how they play their own lives!
He who first smelt it, dealt it. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
580
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Posted - 2013.03.23 23:01:00 -
[175] - Quote
Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:Grace ling Pearl wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:WTH do people get so worked up when I am AFK?
PROTIP: get over it. I'm tired of laughing at the responses The actions of people who misplay a game as intended serves only as a mirror of how they play their own lives!
He who first smelt it, dealt it. ~Thomas Jefferson Some deep quote Drake never said. ~Drake |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
79
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Posted - 2013.03.23 23:51:00 -
[176] - Quote
Grace ling Pearl wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:I have a better question, why is it always the players who are like 1-4 or worse who are the ones that try to suicide the AFKers? You cannot feel entitled to me playing when your individual performance is so detrimental to the team. Maybe if those people AFKed I would actually put some effort in on skirmish anymore. Who the hell are you. I guess we can't all be perfect like you. I've been playing for a little over a month and I go 0-6 alot. That's because I try to help take over game space, and I don't have the skills or equipment to compete. But I try and don't just stand in one place. The only way to learn is to keep trying, than maybe we can all be as good as you!!!
How in the world do you try to "take over game space?" I can get on my alt with less than 1 mil SP, none of it in assault/ARs, and still manage to go 10/2 with the starter suits so dont even try to use SP as an excuse. Using militia against advanced and higher gear is tough, but its not impossible. This game is more about skill than people like to admit. There is definately a period of time where you have to get used to Dust regardless of skill, but if youre still going 0-6 a lot after a month Im sorry to tell you, but you just arent very good at this game. You likely just need to improve your tactics and how you try to "take over game space," but me playing instead of AFKing is not going to help you do that. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
267
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Posted - 2013.03.24 00:18:00 -
[177] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. it's called having burned out on pub matches when I'm burned out, I don't turn the game on.
not getting left in the dust
(pun intended) |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2107
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Posted - 2013.03.24 00:48:00 -
[178] - Quote
RECON BY FIRE wrote:There is definately a period of time where you have to get used to Dust regardless of skill, but if youre still going 0-6 a lot after a month Im sorry to tell you, but you just arent very good at this game. You likely just need to improve your tactics and how you try to "take over game space," but me playing instead of AFKing is not going to help you do that. ...unless you're running dedicated Logi.
In Ambush, if I can die 6 times, but save 20 clones, I consider that going positive in spite of 0 kills.
In Skirmish, if I can keep a Heavy alive through sustained fire from multiple enemies, and he can hold half the enemy team down while we're hacking A, my death to a Sniper soon after wasn't a game-changer. |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
79
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:20:00 -
[179] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:There is definately a period of time where you have to get used to Dust regardless of skill, but if youre still going 0-6 a lot after a month Im sorry to tell you, but you just arent very good at this game. You likely just need to improve your tactics and how you try to "take over game space," but me playing instead of AFKing is not going to help you do that. ...unless you're running dedicated Logi. In Ambush, if I can die 6 times, but save 20 clones, I consider that going positive in spite of 0 kills. In Skirmish, if I can keep a Heavy alive through sustained fire from multiple enemies, and he can hold half the enemy team down while we're hacking A, my death to a Sniper soon after wasn't a game-changer.
"Dedicated logi" is nothing more than an excuse for not being very good. Ive played games with a skinweave logi well after reset and still managed to go something like 9-1 AND doing all my logi duties. If you had actually been shooting back you may not have even had to pick up half of those 20 clones. If you suppressed/killed the enemy they may have not even gotten shot down to start with. A good logi kills as much, if not more, than they save. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
267
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:27:00 -
[180] - Quote
RECON BY FIRE wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:There is definately a period of time where you have to get used to Dust regardless of skill, but if youre still going 0-6 a lot after a month Im sorry to tell you, but you just arent very good at this game. You likely just need to improve your tactics and how you try to "take over game space," but me playing instead of AFKing is not going to help you do that. ...unless you're running dedicated Logi. In Ambush, if I can die 6 times, but save 20 clones, I consider that going positive in spite of 0 kills. In Skirmish, if I can keep a Heavy alive through sustained fire from multiple enemies, and he can hold half the enemy team down while we're hacking A, my death to a Sniper soon after wasn't a game-changer. "Dedicated logi" is nothing more than an excuse for not being very good. Ive played games with a skinweave logi well after reset and still managed to go something like 9-1 AND doing all my logi duties. If you had actually been shooting back you may not have even had to pick up half of those 20 clones. If you suppressed/killed the enemy they may have not even gotten shot down to start with. A good logi kills as much, if not more, than they save.
some ones passive aggressive |
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
181
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:35:00 -
[181] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Richard Sebire wrote:The idle mechanic and the distance traveled mechanic will put an end to this one. When implemented, if you do not engage or get engaged with an enemy in a set time, you will get booted with 0 isk and 0 sp.. I'm sorry but what? You'd have to move around on the map or fight someone to not get kicked? That's BS Level 5 with BS Profficiency Level 1. There are plenty and I mean PLENTY of different things that would cause players to get kicked because they don't adhere to this crap. Sniping- Technically you're not engaging the enemy Logistics- Your main job is to support. Mapping- You're active but you're feeding your team info by looking at the Tactnet Map. Hiding- Nuff said And then some. I'm pretty sure those rules aren't official and if they were these forums would be set-a-blaze with players crying tears of flames. Me included. Sniping: You're moving from/to a location to snipe, marking enemies with scope, and firing at (engaging) enemies. Logistics: If you're not moving as a Logi, then you're probably doing something wrong. Not necessarily, but even so, you'll have to be actively performing actions to get WPs, even though you may be technically engaging with teammates rather than enemies. Mapping: Unless you're squad leader, and therefore using the map to set and alter squad orders, there's no reason to be doing this for a significant amount of time. Hiding: If you're hiding in a position for long enough, and not moving at all, even slightly, then you're not active and not productive at all and shouldn't be considered as such. As long as there's a reasonable time limit on the idle system, and earning WPs actively (Repair Tool, Assists, Squad Commission) consistently, then you should be fine. If you aren't fine, I'll be complaining too.
From Sniping and Logistics it was mostly about the attacking players thing...You don't attack players as a supportive Sniper Recon who's passing info as he looks and sniping only when he/she has to. As a logistics you don't attack players unless you're forced into it. Well most logistics really.
If you're doing mapping right you're standing over your group in the MCC looking at the map and watching the action of the enemies. I'm able to tell when enemies are moving and where they're moving EVEN if they don't show up on the map as bright red dots and instead shiny dots. And not just that, but getting info from the recon snipers I mentioned above, I can really get down to "controlling" the map.
I'll agree that hiding for too long can become counter-productive but I do believe there can be certain points in a corp match where this works.
IF all of these rules had to do with the Pubs only, I won't give that much of a damn because complex tactics and planning isn't worth the trouble of blue berries, a poor match making program, and so little ISK for reasons you don't care about.
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