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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:56:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points.
No its not an in game glitch. Its the result of CCP putting in their SP gain system of 5 SP per second and 1 SP per WP. The second they said this it was predicted that PPL would AFK farm because you get 70-75% of your SP from time in game not from how well you do. I have said it before and I will say it again. To stop this you have to make it not worthwhile. If you make 1 WP = 5 SP and 1 sec = 1 SP then you will have fixed the vast majority of the problem. Why AFK farm for a measly 1000-1500 SP when if you play a good game you will get 10,000 to 15,000 SP in a single match? This is the change that needs to be made. Until that change is made I cannot blame the people who decide to AFK farm in the MCC because it is so profitable. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:13:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:They don't want to play the game, but also don't want to miss out on the skill points. So they abuse a mechanic that ccp was dumb enough to put in.
I see it as the drug addicts on welfare. Hardworking people are paying for these slobs to reap the benefits. CCP didn't "put it in" it was obviously a game mechanic glitch that idiots are taking advantage of. I think if you go 0 and 0 you should get no isk or skill points. What if you just don't get the kills or deaths because the other team is all hiding on their barge? You should still get the sp for looking for them right? EDIT for Completeness: If I remember correctly, the current SP/WP system was "voted" on by the players. This was a request to make it easier on the new players who are just starting up to get up to a slightly competitive level of fitting ability before their hairs all go grey and fall out due to the vast difference in the abilities of a LV5 anything and a LV1/2. I think that the system isn't as broken as some of you think. Consider a 2000+ WP per match player vs a 250 WP per match new player. At 5 sp per WP that's 10000+ WP+ booster, vs 1000 sp to the new player. Yes the player that is higher skilled is going to increase his SP pool quicker, yes the new player didn't do as much for the team as a whole in the match, but 250wp=10 assists to the player with 2000 wp. Each kill being 50 wp means that he had 40 kills. That is four times more than that new player getting the assists off the Skilled player who has been playing the game for a good amount of time and possible 10 times where that new player save the skilled player's butt by putting rounds into other players that died later with less starting armor or shields than if they were in a fresh suit. I bet that anyone who has played this game for over a month on a regular 3-5 days/week has seen their fair share of assists and has often finished off more than one player quickly to go and finish off another player afterwards while the new player is either dead or taking cover. Don't be too quick to write off the 5sp/sec rule. It is there so the new guys/gals can get into Duvolles or Tanks or whatever you currently believe is unfair when used against you, to help you and your team come out on top. If you think the mechanic is broken because of the number of people going afk, consider this, CCP has yet to give us pool tables and cards in the MCC. They aren't there for lounging in they are there for deployment. The real question I have is if they are being used as a lounge to chat or just afk in, then why is the character playing, PSN Home would most likely be a better place to AFK in. Attitude is everything, I believe in throwing myself in the line of fire to protect my team mates, even if it costs me a suit or 10, not stepping up and taking control of your merc destiny by participation in the battles is a sure way to lose your edge, respect, and a whole lot of isk when/if friendly fire is put in play.
And now the people who argue that you should be rewarded more for time played rather than WP earned.
See your problem is that you are thinking about the consequences of good players maxing out quickly while I am taking that into consideration. I dont know of many people at all who play skirmish once they have hit their cap instead they move onto ambush because its more profitable with faster games to get your 1000 max SP once cap is hit and also gives you good isk. What this means is that later on in the week there will be very few good players playing skirmish which will allow the bad players to play eachother and actually get more WP then they would otherwise earn thus learning the game and slowly getting better and getting more SP in a match and seeing what they did to get that large amount of SP. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:18:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Kinda shocking people admiting there AFK grinders, can someone make a list of all these idiots names so when i get in a match i know who won't be pulling there weight so i can do extra for the team.
To all those people that say "blue dots are ********" or " i went 20-3 and capped 3 objectives by myself with no support so i give up" -Really so you assume before the match that all the blue dots won't do anything or they will be ******** so ill just sit in the MCC? so your feeding to your own logic by sitting in the mcc in the first place. -Ya blue dots can be ******** sometimes, its your job to show leadership, and motivate them as well as push that extra bit. Did you ever hop onto team chat? even though there many not be anyone there, you can communicate your tactics Example "Everyone needs to rush B, everyone rush B now" or if you have 2 letters on the 3 letter map "Hold the letters don't attack A, i repeat hold C and B don't push for A" or if your low on clones but winning on MCC damage and have majority letters "Every hold the letters, and revive downed solider, we can win this by MCC damage" Simply by doing this and calling out your tactics or your squads tactics can get blue dots motivated and organised.
As the system sits right now its broken: i think they should keep the 5wp=1sec, but for every lets say for every million skill points you get you get 1 wp taking away (example if you have 1 million sp you only get 4wp=sec in battle) but that 1wp is then put towards your WP to skill point ratio for example if your at 5 million sp you would be getting 1wp=1sec but you you would be getting lets say 5 sp=1WP this would still allow new players to level up and get good gear fast and would promote team work for the veterans
Interesting idea. I could agree with this although it would take alot more programming for CCP. The reason why I made my suggestion is that it is easy to just switch their numbers and keep the exact same system in place but I like this idea too.,...however also means smart new players could just afk in the MCC for the first month or so and then once they have alot of SP they could start playing then. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:11:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:to everyone who hate AFK farmers.... YOU ARE BAD. first of all CCP cause this to happen not the farmers, blame CCP. second, if you cant even pull your own weight you shouldn't rely on the better players to win the match for you. if you are good enough you should be able to pull your whole team. third, stop playing by yourself idiots. if you have a squad thats 3 other people you can count on to carry the team. or maybe i just play with very good people and everyone cant do what we do....hmm well get good So, you'd wilfully steal from the poor if only it were legal? That's your logic here. Fail.
That is horrible and not even analagous to this situation. This is more similar to taking your character in an MMO to an area with creeps that cannot kill you and just put yourself on autopilot and leave while your character runs around killing everything slowly earning XP. As I have said if you have an issue with this then go to CCP and tell them to use my solution. You will see AFK farmers drop dramatically and virtually become extinct. Anything else is just you raging. Whats that famous Eve saying???? Oh yea HTFU |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:22:00 -
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This is getting more laughable by the second. So your saying that the people who in previous builds used REs or swarms to kill people were cheating too? What about ARs in the prior build? Or maybe the LOLmissiles on tanks in the prior build. Perhaps even the flux nades 2 builds ago. Were they cheating too? Because those weapons were used by almost everyone because everyone KNEW they were glitched and they were exploiting it. This isnt even a glitch just exploiting the current SP system. As I have said many times it needs to be changed and I know what could be done to change it but as long as you guys are going after us and not CCP they can continue to ignore it.
Its like dogs fighting over a measly scrap of meat instead of attacking the person who refuses to give them the bucket of meat he is carrying. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:33:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:It's not cheating, it's abusing the system which is done in plenty of games and Eve too
I admit to the truth here. abuse =/= cheating.
I am the #1 proponent of CCP changing their SP system around so that good players get rewarded more and dont have to play as long to max out their SP. But bad players can play alot and still be able to max out their SP. Both players end up with maxed out SP just the good player got there first because they are better. Right now the different is almost insignificant. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:09:00 -
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But I am not gaining more SP than other players who play. Everybody is gaining the same amount of SP. Its not like I get a boost in SP for going AFK. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:02:00 -
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buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ?
Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:04:00 -
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Jack Sharkey42 wrote:Friendly fire soon, problem will be better then.
CCP already said FF isnt going to be on normal skirmish modes only clan battles. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:08:00 -
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buddha blezz wrote:you are gaining more SP+ISK compared to a player doing nothing in a lobby , at the same time youre indirectly hurting other players that are on your team by not playing, maybe CCP should create a AFK game mode just for you guys so you can have MCC camping partys together and not filling up slots for players who want to have a balanced game
LOL thats just hilarious. Yes I am gaining more SP by joining a game and going AFK then someone who is not even joining a game. This is true............how utterly rediculous of me I never thought of it that way sheesh now I will change my habits completely due to this arguement.
If my team cannot make possibly win with 1 player down then they diserve to lose. I cant be bothered to carry every game I join sometimes I just want the SP and then move on. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:13:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:buddha blezz wrote:i myself find it funny how you AFK exploiters keep finding excuses for doing it like its the most natural thing to do, but you need to admit youre affecting the game in a negative way, imagine if all players start doing it , the game would render unplayable and totally lose its purpose , or would you like to have a team of statues on your side when you occasionaly decide to play legit ? Actually I would love to get into an Ambush game where everyone went AFK. If noone dies the game keeps going. You could afk for several hours and then after many hours suicide yourself so that the game ends and you get your cap SP in one go. Would be much more efficient then having to go back every 15-20 min and restart another skirmish. Aww Crap, The Warriors might be back with this tactic to be had. lol
Well if we could do this then it would keep the AFKers out of other players hairs so how could they complain? Also it would prove to CCP that their setup has a fatal flaw and needs to be addressed. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:50:00 -
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I swear some of the ideas on this subject are just so idiotic. Seriously would it be smart to spend time coding an entire idle system with all the information that has to be interpreted to determine if that person is active or inactive instead of just changing the SP system such that it is not worth AFKing for SP? If you get 1 SP per second and 5 SP per WP virtually noone will be AFKing for SP. It would take so long to get anywhere but if you played the game you would max out in about 20 games easy. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:30:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:I see these dudes on the score sheet before the match and think cool, same side as the imperfects, but they are gun fighting in MCC the whole game. They go 0-0 to what, farm sp/isk.
Well thanks a ton, because somebody willing to fight could have taken your spots. Inconsiderate. it's called having burned out on pub matches when I'm burned out, I don't turn the game on.
Then you will lose out on active SP.
Once I have everything upgraded for my specialty I will not concern myself so much with maxing out my active SP every week. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:46:00 -
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Yes my life revolves around being relevant in this video game...............
I dont care about no lifers or people with boosters they all have more SP than I do. |
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