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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:52:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote: Luckily, we already have access to the posting history of all our internal candidates. We have vetted a number of candidates that were suggested to us and we have reviewed their forum posting history along with a number of other qualifications in order to be sure they live up to the standards we are setting for the beta War Council.
In other words, if any of your posts ever contained "HTFU", "scrub", "newberry", or "QQ", you are not WC material. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
318
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:02:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:CCP Eterne wrote: Luckily, we already have access to the posting history of all our internal candidates. We have vetted a number of candidates that were suggested to us and we have reviewed their forum posting history along with a number of other qualifications in order to be sure they live up to the standards we are setting for the beta War Council.
In other words, if any of your posts ever contained "HTFU", "scrub", "newberry", or "QQ", you are not WC material.
I imagine what they meant was that they checked through for people trolling or breaking the forum rules rather than using really quite common terminology. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
436
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:13:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:CCP Eterne wrote: Luckily, we already have access to the posting history of all our internal candidates. We have vetted a number of candidates that were suggested to us and we have reviewed their forum posting history along with a number of other qualifications in order to be sure they live up to the standards we are setting for the beta War Council.
In other words, if any of your posts ever contained "HTFU", "scrub", "newberry", or "QQ", you are not WC material. I imagine what they meant was that they checked through for people trolling or breaking the forum rules rather than using really quite common terminology.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Still, I would expect that at least some measure of consideration would go into the context and tone of posts. After all, there's a huge difference between:
"In the interests of helping newberries learn the ropes so they can stop QQing and HTFU..."
and
"Hey you newberry scrubs, HTFU and stop all the QQ!" |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2139
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:24:00 -
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Foley Jones wrote:Let's see.... gotta have quickgloves, icy tiger, iron wolf saber, g slizz (if you can find him) OH and sleepy zan :) oh wait..... I vote for me is a vote for truth, happiness, and freedom |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2070
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:11:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:CCP Eterne wrote: Luckily, we already have access to the posting history of all our internal candidates. We have vetted a number of candidates that were suggested to us and we have reviewed their forum posting history along with a number of other qualifications in order to be sure they live up to the standards we are setting for the beta War Council.
In other words, if any of your posts ever contained "HTFU", "scrub", "newberry", or "QQ", you are not WC material. Well that only rules out...
uhhhh...
...
Anyone left?
Any DEVS left?
Yeah. By those rules, we have no council. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
725
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Posted - 2013.03.19 18:56:00 -
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CCP is remarkably understanding of the hypercompetitive nature of the players in both EVE and DUST. When they say they are handpicking people they are not handing out boy scout merit badges. They are looking at who seems to get the point behind both games and who is insightful and articulate enough to recognize what was done right, and how to build on that. They also want people who can see what has been done poorly and come up with solid ideas to fix that as well without resorting to "omg u sux ccp!" or "lasers are OP nerf them now."
I do not, for a split-second, believe CCP would pick me as an example because I have given very little to indicate that I am anything more than a jackass who cant do more than screw with people. They would be right to dismiss me as a candidate.
But there are others out there both belligerant and soft-spoken who have a very good grasp of what is right and what is wrong with dust. we want them on the war council. So if you think CCP should consider someone, ignore whether they are an HTFU type or not and look at what their suggestions indicate. We want the people with that good grasp of the game, not the popular sparklekittens who promise everything and accomplish nothing.
We already have enough of that **** in the US and other countries every election year. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
861
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:51:00 -
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Forget soft spoken, they need someone on the council who'll slap CCP upside the head when they do something that reaches ZionShad levels of stupidity. |
Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
66
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:16:00 -
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I think my son might of had an idea with merit:
"Why not just only allow PSN accounts that have actually logged into Dust and played some matches in the last few weeks to vote? That should weed out almost all of the dummy accounts."
Food for thought.
I love the amount of passion in this thread. It shows that this game already has the rabid fanbase CCP games are famous for, and that Internet Space-marines are serious business, even at this early stage. I personally am not worried: The WC is all about credibility with the player base. Without that, it's useless, both to us and to CCP. If CCP has picked a group without the credibility necessary, we'll let them know, and then ignore the WC until a new one is selected. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
698
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:24:00 -
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Klivve Cussler wrote:I think my son might of had an idea with merit:
"Why not just only allow PSN accounts that have actually logged into Dust and played some matches in the last few weeks to vote? That should weed out almost all of the dummy accounts."
Food for thought.
I love the amount of passion in this thread. It shows that this game already has the rabid fanbase CCP games are famous for, and that Internet Space-marines are serious business, even at this early stage. I personally am not worried: The WC is all about credibility with the player base. Without that, it's useless, both to us and to CCP. If CCP has picked a group without the credibility necessary, we'll let them know, and then ignore the WC until a new one is selected. All that means is that you have to sink a couple of hours if that into each account, it wouldn't change anything, IMO the idea about doing a vote per ps3 seemed the most sensible to me, but you could add in your idea as well. A vote per ps3 as long as your chosen voting account has logged x amount of time in the last week, maybe? |
Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
66
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:30:00 -
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Quote:All that means is that you have to sink a couple of hours if that into each account, it wouldn't change anything,
Keep in mind that the CSM in Eve is voted on by active account (I think), which means that some people get more votes than others. If you have paid for, or if you play well enough to earn the plexes for, multiple accounts, you get multiple votes. CCP is ok with that. I think what they're worried about is some group spam-botting the new PSN account screen and generating hundreds or thousands of accounts in order to skew the election results. But if you've taken the time to actually play multiple accounts, CCP might be ok with that player getting multiple votes. |
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Trainer Node
Axis of Chaos
0
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:37:00 -
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Let me point out that hardware specific ideas are a bad idea because DUST 514 will probably outlast the PS3 system. So suggesting things like MAC addresses is just setting up a problem a few years down the road. Any idea needs to be inherent to the game itself, not to the system that runs the game. Technology changes. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
698
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:43:00 -
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Trainer Node wrote:Let me point out that hardware specific ideas are a bad idea because DUST 514 will probably outlast the PS3 system. So suggesting things like MAC addresses is just setting up a problem a few years down the road. Any idea needs to be inherent to the game itself, not to the system that runs the game. Technology changes. It's not like a similar system won't be applicable to platforms down the line, update the system as the tech changes, although there could be problems in a cross-generational period... hmm i don't know i'm not really knowledgeable about this kind of thing, as i said just my opinion |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
450
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:00:00 -
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Trainer Node wrote:Let me point out that hardware specific ideas are a bad idea because DUST 514 will probably outlast the PS3 system. So suggesting things like MAC addresses is just setting up a problem a few years down the road. Any idea needs to be inherent to the game itself, not to the system that runs the game. Technology changes.
Well, MAC addresses are not exactly specific to the PS3. They are very common in networking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
While it would be silly to tie a single account to one MAC address forever, it makes sense to keep a list of MAC addresses used by an account and to disallow that MAC address to vote twice in the same election.
If the MAC address is later supplanted by something else, Dust can always switch over to that.
The only alternative I can think of is restricting voting based on an account's age and activity level. |
Mithridates VI
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:12:00 -
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If DUST 514 ever came to PC and MAC address was used as a unique identifier, I could vote hundreds of times.
It's historically been possible to spoof a MAC address from a PS3, too. I can't speak as to whether it's currently viable because I haven't had cause to do so (some quick searching suggests it might be). |
Martin Short Man
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:04:00 -
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Unlike the CSM where they expose the Names behind the players, this one should stick to anonymity. I do not believe the members of this group have to be a part of EVE what so ever and seeing in the future that it will be put up to a vote, they wonGÇÖt have to be. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
728
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Posted - 2013.03.20 05:22:00 -
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No. You should know who is representing you or threadcrapping your votes away for their own agenda. They need to have a reason to do the job rather than be all "Look at me I'm a game dev! HI MOM!" |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
863
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Posted - 2013.03.20 07:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:No. You should know who is representing you or threadcrapping your votes away for their own agenda. They need to have a reason to do the job rather than be all "Look at me I'm a game dev! HI MOM!" As someone who's been the subject of out of game harrassment I disagree with you breakin. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
729
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Posted - 2013.03.20 09:13:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:No. You should know who is representing you or threadcrapping your votes away for their own agenda. They need to have a reason to do the job rather than be all "Look at me I'm a game dev! HI MOM!" As someone who's been the subject of out of game harrassment I disagree with you breakin.
... Damn you and your heathen logic.
how often do CSM guys have to deal with angry harassment on average?
And I apologize for thinking random grab-bags of gamers would be somewhat mature after the other day's lessons. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.03.20 11:38:00 -
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I think what matters most is that you only put in people who have plaid the game from ever view point
although I nominate me myself and I as well as protoman. protoman used to play the game a while ago and he drew every one's attention because he was really good at the game for some reason. He would probably know the most tricks about the game. |
Vethosis
On The Brink
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 21:19:00 -
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yes |
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Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:40:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:I think what matters most is that you only put in people who have plaid the game from ever view point
although I nominate me myself and I as well as protoman. protoman used to play the game a while ago and he drew every one's attention because he was really good at the game for some reason. He would probably know the most tricks about the game.
Yeah protoman is a long time player. But i dont recall him giving any valuable feedback compared to other people here except rant about how its precious breach AR and straf speed were nerf. And obviously, while doing so, not offering any tweaking suggestion as a solution to balance stuff.
Knowing the game is obviously mandatory but you dont need a year of experience on it to have that. What matters greatly imo is the state of mind people have when considering a game's evolution and how they put it into words.
And many people i've seen being suggested on the forum are, from where i'm standing, far from having the potential to have constructive talks and relevant pointers to give to CCP. Also, many of those dont care much about what others may think and believe they hold the truth about everything...
Now to get back to the voting process. Has anyone suggested this as a possible way to avoid multi-accounts ?
=> Having a credit card registered in your PSN account being mandatory
This could easily be used to tag accounts. Yes people could still manage to get 2-3 credit cards and create extra account but using name, adress and other information, CCP could maybe sort out people using multiple cards from the same home. Obviously, when a vote is cast, credit card is registered and any other account trying to vote with that same CC registered is denied.
Now, how feasible this is probably depends on Sony's policy in sharing those data with a third party developper. Could be tricky.
Yet, it would allow a kind of control without requiring any actual purchase in game.
Thoughts ? |
DudE Just Die
Red Star.
38
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Posted - 2013.03.21 02:15:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:If DUST 514 ever came to PC and MAC address was used as a unique identifier, I could vote hundreds of times.
It's historically been possible to spoof a MAC address from a PS3, too. I can't speak as to whether it's currently viable because I haven't had cause to do so (some quick searching suggests it might be).
You cant spoof a Credit card. I say you buy AUR you get the right to vote! |
Trainer Node
Axis of Chaos
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 04:42:00 -
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While I'm not one of them, many of the people who play this game have kids and for that reason DON'T have a credit card linked to a PSN account that their 10 year old can get onto. That's just one of the issues. Think about HOW you'd run that system and you'll realize that requiring a credit card opens up a few problems. |
Devils Imp
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:18:00 -
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Trainer Node wrote:While I'm not one of them, many of the people who play this game have kids and for that reason DON'T have a credit card linked to a PSN account that their 10 year old can get onto. That's just one of the issues. Think about HOW you'd run that system and you'll realize that requiring a credit card opens up a few problems.
Lame.
You make this sound like there are hundreds of thousands of these situations. That maybe a % of a % of the number of players here.
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Panther AIpha
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:25:00 -
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Devils Imp wrote:Trainer Node wrote:While I'm not one of them, many of the people who play this game have kids and for that reason DON'T have a credit card linked to a PSN account that their 10 year old can get onto. That's just one of the issues. Think about HOW you'd run that system and you'll realize that requiring a credit card opens up a few problems. Lame. You make this sound like there are hundreds of thousands of these situations. That maybe a % of a % of the number of players here.
I just love it, when some one hits you with logic, and you response like a kitten.
You ever hear about the "Working class", and "Families"?. The are real ... in not a myth. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
830
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:38:00 -
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DudE Just Die wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:If DUST 514 ever came to PC and MAC address was used as a unique identifier, I could vote hundreds of times.
It's historically been possible to spoof a MAC address from a PS3, too. I can't speak as to whether it's currently viable because I haven't had cause to do so (some quick searching suggests it might be). You cant spoof a Credit card. I say you buy AUR you get the right to vote!
If you making having a voice in the future of the game require spending money on the game then the game loses the ability to solidly claim that it's both free to play and not pay to win.
That aside not everyone (even among those who are buying AUR) have or use credit cards, and not everyone who has a CC ever links it to their PSN (likely fewer do now that did before that mass security breach awhile back ).
Doing it this way is at minimum a marking nightmare and that's not even touching on the idea of Sony sharing account and billing information with CCP on that scale and across so many national lines. I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't want to be the lawyer(s) in charge of sorting out that tangled mess even assuming it never hit any snags along the way.
0.02 ISK Cross
ps ~ There are also people who share the same address, both IP and physical, as well as the same CC/banking info who are not in fact the same person. Spouses and siblings rank highly within this demographic, followed (in much more rare cases) by certain roommates. Making any major part of D514 bottle necked to "one account per household" is a huge encumbrance especially for a free to play game model (F2P thrives on open access, removing that asset is therefore a heavy detriment to any F2P game). |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1230
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:27:00 -
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Trainer Node wrote:While I'm not one of them, many of the people who play this game have kids and for that reason DON'T have a credit card linked to a PSN account that their 10 year old can get onto. That's just one of the issues. Think about HOW you'd run that system and you'll realize that requiring a credit card opens up a few problems.
You can very well register the CC for the moment you vote and then delete it when you're done. Game register this credit card has already voted and you're good.
As for the "buy aurum" suggestion it has two problems :
1) either it's cheap and some people will transfer small AUR amount to activate 100eds of voting accounts. 2) Either it's too expansive and you sink into a pay-to-get-elected situation. (which is kind of the case for any IRL election )
Credit Card identification without payment is something i really think could work. You could multi-accounts but not by an infinite amount. And you dont need to pay. Beside it has adress, name etc... with it so it eases deleting multiple voters. |
Panther AIpha
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:50:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Trainer Node wrote:While I'm not one of them, many of the people who play this game have kids and for that reason DON'T have a credit card linked to a PSN account that their 10 year old can get onto. That's just one of the issues. Think about HOW you'd run that system and you'll realize that requiring a credit card opens up a few problems. You can very well register the CC for the moment you vote and then delete it when you're done or you could imagine the game asking for you CC data without it being linked to your PSN account. Game then register this credit card has already voted and you're good. As for the "not everyone owns a credit card", i'm pretty sure this is only a very few % of the people that could vote. I'd even go with less than 1% tbh. Acceptable loss ? To me, yes. As for the "buy aurum" suggestion it has two problems : 1) either it's cheap and some people will transfer small AUR amount to activate 100eds of voting accounts. 2) Either it's too expansive and you sink into a pay-to-get-elected situation. (which is kind of the case for any IRL election ) Credit Card identification without payment is something i really think could work. You could multi-accounts but not by an infinite amount. And you dont need to pay. Beside it has adress, name etc... with it so it eases deleting multiple voters.
What the........ you talking about ?
Pay to Win..... now Pay to Vote ? so much for the original idea of a Free to Play game huh ? Maybe you guys using a different dictionary than i do.
Free ;
Not affected or restricted by a given condition or circumstance. |
Trainer Node
Axis of Chaos
2
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:31:00 -
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Please reread the last sentence of my last post....
The (in most cases) 16 digits that make up a credit card number are just numbers until they are verified to be a valid account. And unless CCP starts issuing credit cards this means that CCP would need to set up the system needed to check potentially millions of cards for each election. While this isn't anywhere near impossible it would be a huge hassle for CCP, would cost them money, and would involve them in dealing with the card issuers (many of which aren't known for going out of their way to help other companies) if anything goes wrong.
I'm not saying the idea isn't feasible, I'm saying I don't see it being worth the hassle. There are plenty of alternative ways to set up voting that aren't as technically or financially complex, and which don't require dealing with outside forces.
And people, please remember that so far this discussion has been between members of the community, not CCP. So saying things like "so much for free-to-play" is ridiculous. |
Card Drunook
DoC Deck of Contractors
79
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Posted - 2013.03.22 00:06:00 -
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I've spent a little while setting up a couple topic for us to discuss the ideas put forth in this thread. Assuming anyone's interested in actually trying to discuss and work them out that is. I've got links in the threads to the other topics.
[Voting Discussion] Credit Card Identification
[Voting Discussion] Weighted Voting System
[Voting Discussion] Technical Identifiers (IPs, MAC addresses, PS3 serial number...
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