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Cross Atu wrote:

Virex Staz wrote:

Furrow33 wrote:

I haven't seen the name mentioned but i would think that one obviouse merc that should be considered is Zion Shad. I mean the guy regularly talks about dust on podside and runs a respectable corp that i was once a part of. He's interviewed ccp dev's numerous times. He was considering running for csm. Seems to me he would make a good fit. If not now im sure he'll be voted in down the road.

There's a bunch of people with a real hate-on for Shad, so every time he speaks or is mentioned now there's a wave of crap posted that people don't want to have to deal with. This has reached the level that I think it will stop him being successful as a representative for Dust players, and he doesn't seem to have found a counter to it. Its not fair, but that's politics.

Assuming it's "not fair" is assuming that the reputation and backlash is unearned, even just with what has been done publicly on these forums it's clearly not 'just a mistake'. Read what happened with Kain and the event he was organizing, granted it came out right in the end but only after a public kitten storm. Putting the cookie back after you've been caught with your hand in the jar doesn't negate your original actions which created the situation. Many of the individuals who have a "real hate-on" for Shad have very specific and legitimate reasons for the outlook, being a podcast 'celebrity' does not wipe away the consequences of how you treat people, nor should it.

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ps ~ I'm not going to drag this thread off topic by rehashing the above, if you want details ask the parties involved in each specific instance and/or simply use the forums search command.

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Katariss Katalyst Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.04.02 01:11:00 - [241] - Quote O.k, I have decided what can be done : (this is probably a flawed idea, feel free to point them out :) I think that since people can have infinite Dust accounts and PSN accounts that they should do voting like this: Each PS3 get one vote, no matter what accounts are on it, because they will check by the MAC address and so that will only get one vote; but if the person has like 4 PS3s then they can have like 4 votes (it makes sense, only people with money can get lots of ps3s). So if your like me, you have 1 PS3, and that means one vote. This should be able to work because you cant change your mac address... I hope this helps.... (Go SMERG)
Mithridates VI Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 574	Posted - 2013.04.02 01:26:00 - [242] - Quote Katariss Katalyst wrote: This should be able to work because you cant change your mac address... Issues with people paying to vote more aside, a MAC address can be spoofed (changed, for all intents and purposes).
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 443	Posted - 2013.04.02 06:40:00 - [243] - Quote i nominate kinky bacon to represent the issues of bacon, and the cult of bacon
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2334	Posted - 2013.04.02 07:21:00 - [244] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote: I wasn't aware you could be a member of multiple corps. Multiple PSNs. Even without multiple PSNs, you can be CEO of 3 Corps with only a single PSN account. Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote: Criticizing is not helping. You in no way suggested an improved way of doing you only pointed out that it was flawed. There's not a very fine line between a "flawed" idea and a "bad" one. Flawed ideas are good ideas that need tweaking. Bad ideas aren't worth trying to redeem, and a valid explanation for why something is a bad idea should be all that's needed. Your idea was a bad idea, and is therefore not open to being turned into a good idea. Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote: If I had a fool proof system I would've typed up ten pages explaining it in detail. When you come up with an idea that needs 10 pages of explanation for someone to understand it, you should probably hold off until you have a TL;DR version. Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote: I am sorry I'm not a regular on the forums but I'm trying to help how I can. And when you suggest something which can't help, people are trying to help you by explaining that your idea quite simply doesn't work.
Robert JD Niewiadomski Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.02 07:23:00 - [245] - Quote irrelevant, sorry...
Warpfiend Thanos HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp 0	Posted - 2013.04.02 07:44:00 - [246] - Quote I wanna see this happen

CCP Dolan C C P C C P Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:51:00 - [247] - Quote Just an update that we at CCP have been slightly delayed by the Easter Holiday, but fear not work is still in progress.

The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 343	Posted - 2013.04.02 15:20:00 - [248] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Just an update that we at CCP have been slightly delayed by the Easter Holiday, but fear not work is still in progress. I know all about Easter delays... They cause all sorts of troubles...
Katariss Katalyst Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.04.02 19:28:00 - [249] - Quote So then since all my ideas can either be spoofed, or have many accounts, I have come up with one that could actually work... This is the Idea: That in order for the person to vote, they need to have a certain amount of skill points (sorry noobs) like 500,000 or something. Because it would allow for players to vote. (people are not going to waste points getting lots of skill points on multiple accounts for one vote.) Please, if this idea can be improved, please state that improvement below...
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 387	Posted - 2013.04.03 01:12:00 - [250] - Quote That's great dolan look forward to it. Katariss Katalyst wrote: So then since all my ideas can either be spoofed, or have many accounts, I have come up with one that could actually work... This is the Idea: That in order for the person to vote, they need to have a certain amount of skill points (sorry noobs) like 500,000 or something. Because it would allow for players to vote. (people are not going to waste points getting lots of skill points on multiple accounts for one vote.) Please, if this idea can be improved, please state that improvement below... it's not your ideas that are flawed, infact they are good, but they are not strong enough to work on their own. the process of elimination dictates that you go step by step blocking out each potential method of abuse. "I have 4 PS3s, all with 4 accounts, all have over 1 million sp." so go from micro and build to macro.

Mithridates VI Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 591	Posted - 2013.04.04 00:38:00 - [251] - Quote Breaking: The War Council will be known as the Council of Planetary Management. Says so here: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/human-endurance-event-for-dust-514human-endurance-event-for-dust-514/
SIRAJKNIGHT KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 0	Posted - 2013.04.04 01:39:00 - [252] - Quote whats the point of multiple blueprint copy rewards of the same item even though they are unlimited? EDIT: Wrong thread! Sorry
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2374	Posted - 2013.04.04 10:34:00 - [253] - Quote Katariss Katalyst wrote: So then since all my ideas can either be spoofed, or have many accounts, I have come up with one that could actually work... This is the Idea: That in order for the person to vote, they need to have a certain amount of skill points (sorry noobs) like 500,000 or something. Because it would allow for players to vote. (people are not going to waste points getting lots of skill points on multiple accounts for one vote.) Please, if this idea can be improved, please state that improvement below... 500,000 SP wouldn't work. That's the baseline level with which all characters start. Also, a new player who's wanting to be active would be denied a voice under this system, while someone who's been afking across 3 accounts per PS3 on 2 consoles would have at least 6 votes easily (even if you're limited to one vote per account instead of per character).
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 86	Posted - 2013.04.04 11:10:00 - [254] - Quote How about 1 vote per IP Address accepted. and you that IP address have to have been active in the system in the last 30 days? I'm not sure how much Sony allows CCP to check IP addresses. It would exclude multiplaystation homes, but that would probably be a relative minority. [Edit]: Yea one could switch an IP address, but if you only accept 1 vote from an IP and that IP already has to be registered then it prevents people from just loading up numerous IPs voting.
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 387	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:00:00 - [255] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Katariss Katalyst wrote: So then since all my ideas can either be spoofed, or have many accounts, I have come up with one that could actually work... This is the Idea: That in order for the person to vote, they need to have a certain amount of skill points (sorry noobs) like 500,000 or something. Because it would allow for players to vote. (people are not going to waste points getting lots of skill points on multiple accounts for one vote.) Please, if this idea can be improved, please state that improvement below... 500,000 SP wouldn't work. That's the baseline level with which all characters start. Also, a new player who's wanting to be active would be denied a voice under this system, while someone who's been afking across 3 accounts per PS3 on 2 consoles would have at least 6 votes easily (even if you're limited to one vote per account instead of per character). you have to draw a line somewhere. there is no such thing as a perfect system - have to accept that. the amount of sp used is "the post" you have to adjust. Also the solution is a good idea if combined with other filtering techniques. On it's own is fail. Daedric - ip addresses change all the time, every time you boot the playstation you are given a new IP, or when your router is restarted. How do you register an IP to CCP? It doesn't stop them registering multiple IPs?
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 590	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:30:00 - [256] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Mechanicus Lupus wrote: Any idea when we will know who is on or tentatively on the War Council? Look for a Dev Blog announcing the full War Council some time before the end of the month. Where is it, sir? We are now in a new month and we want to make sure we know who to QQ at. I, for one, welcome our new dropclone overlords.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 95	Posted - 2013.04.04 19:13:00 - [257] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: Daedric - ip addresses change all the time, every time you boot the playstation you are given a new IP, or when your router is restarted. How do you register an IP to CCP? It doesn't stop them registering multiple IPs? Thats what I mean, your address can change all the time, but the only way to vote is if your using the same IP address. You wouldn't be able to vote with the previous addresses because they are already gone and you can't log into them. Of course that assumes the voting takes place on one specific day instead of over a period of time. If people complain about losing their address and vote because they shut off their router or PS3, well to bad.
Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2013.04.04 19:55:00 - [258] - Quote Hey CCP here is a thought. When you release the names maybe you could do a podcast an kinda release them like a NBA draft pick. Give a little explanton on why the people were choosen or some background on them. Just a thought i think it would be fun an cool, plus give the community a connection with CCP as well. You know make it personal/.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 801	Posted - 2013.04.05 03:07:00 - [259] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: Hey CCP here is a thought. When you release the names maybe you could do a podcast an kinda release them like a NBA draft pick. Give a little explanton on why the people were choosen or some background on them. Just a thought i think it would be fun an cool, plus give the community a connection with CCP as well. You know make it personal/. Really....I mean....You're in the war council beta....really?
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 389	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:23:00 - [260] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: Hey CCP here is a thought. When you release the names maybe you could do a podcast an kinda release them like a NBA draft pick. Give a little explanton on why the people were choosen or some background on them. Just a thought i think it would be fun an cool, plus give the community a connection with CCP as well. You know make it personal/. I think if CCP gives their reasons the community may disagree with them. They make wild allegations and jump on someone they don't like, why give them the opportunity just for some (what may be seen as) epeen waving? I already foresee a lot of complaints about who will be on the current council (case in point - post above lol), Think it will be a delicate matter for a while before we can make public displays like that. @Daedric Lothar what if people aren't available to vote on 1 day? I can't vote on weekends for example

Furrow33 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.04.06 00:57:00 - [261] - Quote I haven't seen the name mentioned but i would think that one obviouse merc that should be considered is Zion Shad. I mean the guy regularly talks about dust on podside and runs a respectable corp that i was once a part of. He's interviewed ccp dev's numerous times. He was considering running for csm. Seems to me he would make a good fit. If not now im sure he'll be voted in down the road.
shade emry3 Conspiratus Immortalis 18	Posted - 2013.04.07 10:00:00 - [262] - Quote Add the top k/d ratio guy, somewhere in the ranks.. This should prove as a good "war cheif"......and this is just me tired.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 882	Posted - 2013.04.07 11:00:00 - [263] - Quote Furrow33 wrote: I haven't seen the name mentioned but i would think that one obviouse merc that should be considered is Zion Shad. I mean the guy regularly talks about dust on podside and runs a respectable corp that i was once a part of. He's interviewed ccp dev's numerous times. He was considering running for csm. Seems to me he would make a good fit. If not now im sure he'll be voted in down the road. You clearly don't see the whole picture.
Virex Staz Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.04.07 16:38:00 - [264] - Quote Furrow33 wrote: I haven't seen the name mentioned but i would think that one obviouse merc that should be considered is Zion Shad. I mean the guy regularly talks about dust on podside and runs a respectable corp that i was once a part of. He's interviewed ccp dev's numerous times. He was considering running for csm. Seems to me he would make a good fit. If not now im sure he'll be voted in down the road. There's a bunch of people with a real hate-on for Shad, so every time he speaks or is mentioned now there's a wave of crap posted that people don't want to have to deal with. This has reached the level that I think it will stop him being successful as a representative for Dust players, and he doesn't seem to have found a counter to it. Its not fair, but that's politics.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 881	Posted - 2013.04.07 17:55:00 - [265] - Quote Virex Staz wrote: Furrow33 wrote: I haven't seen the name mentioned but i would think that one obviouse merc that should be considered is Zion Shad. I mean the guy regularly talks about dust on podside and runs a respectable corp that i was once a part of. He's interviewed ccp dev's numerous times. He was considering running for csm. Seems to me he would make a good fit. If not now im sure he'll be voted in down the road. There's a bunch of people with a real hate-on for Shad, so every time he speaks or is mentioned now there's a wave of crap posted that people don't want to have to deal with. This has reached the level that I think it will stop him being successful as a representative for Dust players, and he doesn't seem to have found a counter to it. Its not fair, but that's politics. Assuming it's "not fair" is assuming that the reputation and backlash is unearned, even just with what has been done publicly on these forums it's clearly not 'just a mistake'. Read what happened with Kain and the event he was organizing, granted it came out right in the end but only after a public kitten storm. Putting the cookie back after you've been caught with your hand in the jar doesn't negate your original actions which created the situation. Many of the individuals who have a "real hate-on" for Shad have very specific and legitimate reasons for the outlook, being a podcast 'celebrity' does not wipe away the consequences of how you treat people, nor should it. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ I'm not going to drag this thread off topic by rehashing the above, if you want details ask the parties involved in each specific instance and/or simply use the forums search command.
Devils Imp Expert Intervention Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:54:00 - [266] - Quote The WC Will be all goons and allys and will ask for voting so that no one else in dust will be allowed to enter
Devils Imp Expert Intervention Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:59:00 - [267] - Quote
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 893	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:21:00 - [268] - Quote Devils Imp wrote: The WC Will be all goons and allys and will ask for voting so that no one else in dust will be allowed to enter Really? Because i think voting is a very bad idea for the WC and should be selected by CCP each year. You really need to get your **** together son, if you want to troll you need to do your homework first.
Furrow33 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.04.09 22:37:00 - [269] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Virex Staz wrote: Furrow33 wrote: I haven't seen the name mentioned but i would think that one obviouse merc that should be considered is Zion Shad. I mean the guy regularly talks about dust on podside and runs a respectable corp that i was once a part of. He's interviewed ccp dev's numerous times. He was considering running for csm. Seems to me he would make a good fit. If not now im sure he'll be voted in down the road. There's a bunch of people with a real hate-on for Shad, so every time he speaks or is mentioned now there's a wave of crap posted that people don't want to have to deal with. This has reached the level that I think it will stop him being successful as a representative for Dust players, and he doesn't seem to have found a counter to it. Its not fair, but that's politics. Assuming it's "not fair" is assuming that the reputation and backlash is unearned, even just with what has been done publicly on these forums it's clearly not 'just a mistake'. Read what happened with Kain and the event he was organizing, granted it came out right in the end but only after a public kitten storm. Putting the cookie back after you've been caught with your hand in the jar doesn't negate your original actions which created the situation. Many of the individuals who have a "real hate-on" for Shad have very specific and legitimate reasons for the outlook, being a podcast 'celebrity' does not wipe away the consequences of how you treat people, nor should it. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ I'm not going to drag this thread off topic by rehashing the above, if you want details ask the parties involved in each specific instance and/or simply use the forums search command. Guess i missed out on all that. I was away for awhile. I left his corp not because of him but because of another douche bag that never shut the hell up.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 900	Posted - 2013.04.10 14:42:00 - [270] - Quote Here's a good place to start: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64282&find=unread And here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64327&find=unread Who did you leave because of?



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