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Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1210	Posted - 2013.03.18 15:52:00 - [31] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Will we have at least a representative for each language? I would feel better if we could talk to our representatives in our language and then he or she can report in english in the council The whole thing is good news ! It is through that kind of interactions with the community that CCP makes a difference with your usual game dev. So witnessing the birth of a Dust 514 CSM is a very very very good thing. I get the whole handpick thing as the mecanics behind voting for a Dust CSM has to be entirely build from scratch due to the F2P nature and the fact that well.....no one did that before. One thing i would support though is the remark i quote from shaman oga. Even though, it would a hell of a huge council if you would have to add one representative per language. But i guess spanish, chinese, german, french and english would be pretty good for starter.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2088	Posted - 2013.03.18 15:55:00 - [32] - Quote With competition like Iron Wolf and a few of the others actively in IRC, I strongly doubt I would have any pull here. Regardless, now that I know CCP is actively looking to involve us like this, I greatly look forward to getting my recording set up all squared away so that I can start putting out tutorials and tips for new players. Aside from being an active participant in IRC and the forums, are there any other criteria you're looking for from these / future candidates?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 6	Posted - 2013.03.18 15:56:00 - [33] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: But i guess spanish, chinese, german, french and english would be pretty good for starter. I'm italian
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.03.18 15:58:00 - [34] - Quote Excellent stuff. Can't wait to see this in action! But: good luck figuring out how the voting system will work.
Deadly Mitauchi SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 146	Posted - 2013.03.18 15:59:00 - [35] - Quote What is to stop people from making alts and voting multiple times?
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 945	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:00:00 - [36] - Quote I would def want to be on this council
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1210	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:01:00 - [37] - Quote Oh sorry for the double post but...... Yeah the name HAS to change Otherwise, we'll end up talking about CSM and...... WC....... see the problem here ?
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 372	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:02:00 - [38] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: shaman oga wrote: Will we have at least a representative for each language? I would feel better if we could talk to our representatives in our language and then he or she can report in english in the council The whole thing is good news ! It is through that kind of interactions with the community that CCP makes a difference with your usual game dev. So witnessing the birth of a Dust 514 CSM is a very very very good thing. I get the whole handpick thing as the mecanics behind voting for a Dust CSM has to be entirely build from scratch due to the F2P nature and the fact that well.....no one did that before. One thing i would support though is the remark i quote from shaman oga. Even though, it would a hell of a huge council if you would have to add one representative per language. But i guess spanish, chinese, german, french and english would be pretty good for starter. It's kind of difficult to accomodate every language but yes i think ligua fracas are the way to go. Using common languages that are spoken across many regions along with using translation services (not sure how well google translate works) is the best way to get good representation across the greatest number of ppl. A great criteria would be to find representatives who have multi-language fluency so they can communicate to a wider audience without creating an overtly large and bloated council. Keep in mind though once this thing goes player elected council it may be difficult to accomodate non-english speakers as i imagine the english speaking population will have a large majority. Hopefully CCP will figure out a way to decrease the communication gap.
Foley Jones SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 124	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:03:00 - [39] - Quote Let's see.... gotta have quickgloves, icy tiger, iron wolf saber, g slizz (if you can find him) OH and sleepy zan :) oh wait.....
Samahiel Immobile Infantry 1	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:10:00 - [40] - Quote How large a council are you currently planning on? What are the criteria for selection that the interview will be based around? How will you differentiate between who is constructive in content generation, and who is merely loud?

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 6	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:21:00 - [41] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: It's kind of difficult to accomodate every language but yes i think ligua fracas are the way to go. Using common languages that are spoken across many regions along with using translation services (not sure how well google translate works) is the best way to get good representation across the greatest number of ppl. A great criteria would be to find representatives who have multi-language fluency so they can communicate to a wider audience without creating an overtly large and bloated council. Keep in mind though once this thing goes player elected council it may be difficult to accomodate non-english speakers as i imagine the english speaking population will have a large majority. Hopefully CCP will figure out a way to decrease the communication gap. Obviously the council will be english speaking, i'm not against it, i just want to say that there are 7 language forums, i guess that in the council will be more than 7 people, at least one for each language should be in, and of course english speaking people should have more seats on the council. I asked only because i guess spanish people prefer to play with other spanish, germans with other germans, italians with other italians and so and so... It's much easier to ask something in your own language to a player you know than asking to a complete unknown for you. For example italian player will ask to the italian member, french player to the french member....
Mechanicus Lupus Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 37	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:23:00 - [42] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Mechanicus Lupus wrote: Any idea when we will know who is on or tentatively on the War Council? Soon(TM) Did you seriously need to ask? Yes and actually got a real answer CCP Dolan wrote: Mechanicus Lupus wrote: Any idea when we will know who is on or tentatively on the War Council? Look for a Dev Blog announcing the full War Council some time before the end of the month. Thanks CCP Dolan
Lord Crases PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:25:00 - [43] - Quote This is relevant to my interests. Please let the updates flow like water and or the blood of my enemies! Amarr Victory!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2058	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:38:00 - [44] - Quote CPM Council of Planetary Management. Just a (really obvious) possibility. Clear similarity and difference from CSM, and still easily typed. It's also a good way to describe what the difference is between DUST Mercs and EVE Capsuleers in New Eden. They claim the stars, we have the planets.
Sergamon Draco Darkstar Mercs 5	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:51:00 - [45] - Quote What kind of things war council will vote and decide,and will it be balanced with all corporations.are factions kept out of council votes,will there be spokes person in every corporation,and will the bigger corps(bigger member count)get more says in votes?
Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:57:00 - [46] - Quote This should be interesting. i hope it works out, took quite awhile for the CSM members to actually feel like they where working in tandem with ccp. With their prior experience, interaction and how well CSM7 has went perhaps dust's version will become more productive out of the gate. Might i recommend that ccp pick a previous CSM member that also plays dust. Like a mentor role for the first group. Just a random thought ;)
Klivve Cussler Ransoms Incorporated 66	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:09:00 - [47] - Quote CPM: Council of Planetary Mercenaries DCU: Drop-Clone's Union. PMG: Planetary Mercenary Guild Very very interested in this. I have always been impressed by the CSM. Especially how they have often taken the concerns of Eve players to CCP and come back with "I can't go into details due to the NDA, but chill, they've got this under control" or "CCP is going to change a few things based on your concerns" CCP has also done a good job balancing the desires of the players against their own long-term strategies. They've been careful to listen and talk to the CSM without sacrificing control over their own IP, giving the CSM a strong voice, but reserving veto for themselves. While this has occasionally let to problems (the Jita riots, for example), on the whole, I think it's a good thing. By doing the same thing with the dust community, they will allow players that we trust (relatively, of course. This is New Eden after all) to take our concerns to CCP, peek behind the NDA curtain, and come back and let us know if THEY think CCP is on track. Looking forward to it!
Finn Kempers BetaMax. CRONOS. 222	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:11:00 - [48] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: CPM Council of Planetary Management. Just a (really obvious) possibility. Clear similarity and difference from CSM, and still easily typed. It's also a good way to describe what the difference is between DUST Mercs and EVE Capsuleers in New Eden. They claim the stars, we have the planets. Name already is being used. CaptainAwesome, me and a few others have already been discussing this. CaptainAwesome has set up a site here. There is also a Google Docs set for goals here
Mechanicus Lupus Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 37	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:13:00 - [49] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: What kind of things war council will vote and decide,and will it be balanced with all corporations.are factions kept out of council votes,will there be spokes person in every corporation,and will the bigger corps(bigger member count)get more says in votes? I believe there will be only a few members on the Council, say 5-12. For the first Council CCP is picking them and they have yet to work out how the future Councils will be chosen since players can be made for free and basically without limit. While larger corps will have more base support it will take more than that one corp and in some cases even alliance to elect a member to the board, just like in real elections. We will see how this goes...

CCP Dolan C C P C C P Alliance 21	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:13:00 - [50] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: What kind of things war council will vote and decide,and will it be balanced with all corporations.are factions kept out of council votes,will there be spokes person in every corporation,and will the bigger corps(bigger member count)get more says in votes? While the exact details of operation are something we are looking to figure out with the Beta of a War Council, if the CSM is any indication of how the War Council will operate then there will be almost no voting involved at all. The CSM in their year long term only ever voted to pick their officers. The War Council, like the CSM, will likely act as an advisory group to development teams. They highlight issues and problems that teams may have overlooked. Teams would come to them with features and changes and say "What have we missed?" or "How would you potentially break this?".


Django Quik R.I.f.t 302	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:25:00 - [51] - Quote Man Dust is exciting lately - Planetary Conquest and now War Council! O boy o boy, I get so buzzed when things really start happening!
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 458	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:28:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: What kind of things war council will vote and decide,and will it be balanced with all corporations.are factions kept out of council votes,will there be spokes person in every corporation,and will the bigger corps(bigger member count)get more says in votes? While the exact details of operation are something we are looking to figure out with the Beta of a War Council, if the CSM is any indication of how the War Council will operate then there will be almost no voting involved at all. The CSM in their year long term only ever voted to pick their officers. The War Council, like the CSM, will likely act as an advisory group to development teams. They highlight issues and problems that teams may have overlooked. Teams would come to them with features and changes and say "What have we missed?" or "How would you potentially break this?". CCP, thank you. Seeing this kind of effort and appreciating the consideration you are giving to both quality, fair representation and speed of action is encouraging. My fellow mercs: Please try to keep this focus at the forefront as we all go into this endeavor together... The War Council should be a body that works to improve the game for everyone. Representation works best when there is more effort directed towards seeking increased benefit for everyone vice seeking increased benefit or recognition for the representatives. It should be more about DUST514 and less about who the candidates are. Loss of this perspective in most representative bodies is what leads us to the adage that Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. (take heed legislative branch) Good communication and effort CCP. Thanks
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2059	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:40:00 - [53] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: CPM Council of Planetary Management. Just a (really obvious) possibility. Clear similarity and difference from CSM, and still easily typed. It's also a good way to describe what the difference is between DUST Mercs and EVE Capsuleers in New Eden. They claim the stars, we have the planets. Name already is being used. CaptainAwesome, me and a few others have already been discussing this. CaptainAwesome has set up a site here. There is also a Google Docs set for goals here I was seriously considering searching before making the suggestion. Now I wish I had. Council for Mercenary Management? Again, simple, but seems logical enough.
Matobar Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 146	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:46:00 - [54] - Quote Somewhere, right now, the CPM group is sh****** brix

CCP Dolan C C P C C P Alliance 27	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:47:00 - [55] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Finn Kempers wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: CPM Council of Planetary Management. Just a (really obvious) possibility. Clear similarity and difference from CSM, and still easily typed. It's also a good way to describe what the difference is between DUST Mercs and EVE Capsuleers in New Eden. They claim the stars, we have the planets. Name already is being used. CaptainAwesome, me and a few others have already been discussing this. CaptainAwesome has set up a site here. There is also a Google Docs set for goals here I was seriously considering searching before making the suggestion. Now I wish I had. Council for Mercenary Management? Again, simple, but seems logical enough. We've had just as much back and forth debate on what the name should be internally. War Council is very much just one of a number of names that have been suggested, but I didn't want to delay this any further just to debate a name.

Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 145	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:02:00 - [56] - Quote While it seems a good idea on paper the method of picking these ppl do not Why cant you let ppl who want to be on the war council compete for it, so you make a sub forum and just say for 2 weeks anyone who wants to put forward ther name does so and states why they would be good and what they would campaign for Basically and election but no one votes and only CCP picks the winners, but also CCP would have access to ther posts and to see if they are full of **** or not Also you could add rules like only max 2 reps from each corp
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 639	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:05:00 - [57] - Quote Sounds very interesting and very promising, its a feature I know many of the players have been pushing for for some time now. My only word of advice is to try to avoid having all of your candidates be from major organizations, or just people who post a lot on the forums. There are a lot of players out there from some of the massive corps that like to showboat around on the forums, playing themselves off as a fantastic community members when really they're just trying to draw up community support with a silver tongue and little work behind their words to back it up. There are plenty of people I've seen around that quietly work to support this game by doing hard and good work that is sometimes left unnoticed by the masses, but is nevertheless invaluable to the community in the long run. It would be a shame for CCP to also let this work go unnoticed, because it really is important and will allow this game to survive and thrive. Because of that, the people working on this stuff really should be the ones on the council because they're more interested in the quality of the game and not just their own personal or corporate interests.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1116	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:08:00 - [58] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: While it seems a good idea on paper the method of picking these ppl do not Why cant you let ppl who want to be on the war council compete for it, so you make a sub forum and just say for 2 weeks anyone who wants to put forward ther name does so and states why they would be good and what they would campaign for Basically and election but no one votes and only CCP picks the winners, but also CCP would have access to ther posts and to see if they are full of **** or not Also you could add rules like only max 2 reps from each corp Luckily, we already have access to the posting history of all our internal candidates. We have vetted a number of candidates that were suggested to us and we have reviewed their forum posting history along with a number of other qualifications in order to be sure they live up to the standards we are setting for the beta War Council.

Brush Master HavoK Core 255	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:09:00 - [59] - Quote This sounds like a great idea. I think members that have been around since closed beta, been active in the game and given feedback/bug reports should top off the list. What all criteria are you considering and what would a council members required duties be?
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 240	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:13:00 - [60] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: Congratulations Iron Wolf Saber. I had the same thought. :( hes such a noob



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