If people camping it might cost us the match (losing on objectives with no chance of a clone win) I will hack it. Otherwise I see it as fair game to load up on free kills.

It's clearly an exploit

It's not clear to me. Elaborate.

I second this vote for an elaboration.

Person spawns in and before he even gets control of his character he is dead. And do you honestly think CCP sat at the design table saying, "Ok, not let's make this so the enemy team can wait over here and kill the other team the moment they spawn!" No, they intended for the players to hack/destroy the spawn unit but instead they exploit it.

Again, not saying it isn't a smart tactic. It absolutely is because it is there and a viable way of winning. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to do something so stuff like this doesn't happen in the future.

Technically, it is an exploit, but not of the game itself. It's an exploit of the dumb opponents that spawn in knowing there are people waiting to obliterate them. It's not like there is no counter for it. All you have to do is not spawn there...

I don't think there's anything they really CAN do. They already give you the option to spawn elsewhere.

The delay is something I mentioned in the video. I think that fix will come eventually. It still wouldn't matter much, IMO.

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Person spawns in and before he even gets control of his character he is dead. And do you honestly think CCP sat at the design table saying, "Ok, not let's make this so the enemy team can wait over here and kill the other team the moment they spawn!" No, they intended for the players to hack/destroy the spawn unit but instead they exploit it.

Again, not saying it isn't a smart tactic. It absolutely is because it is there and a viable way of winning. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to do something so stuff like this doesn't happen in the future.

Here's the problem with CRU's in the game now.

Since they redid the spawn system to spawn you next to your teammates/squad, even if you DONT pick the CRU, it will still spawn you there anyway. This has happened numerous times.



OMG I CANT READ THAT MUCH VERSION...

If your team has CRU, don't spawn in with square either.

Here's the problem with CRU's in the game now.

Since they redid the spawn system to spawn you next to your teammates/squad, even if you DONT pick the CRU, it will still spawn you there anyway. This has happened numerous times.



OMG I CANT READ THAT MUCH VERSION...

If your team has CRU, don't spawn in with square either.

I admit it is an effective tactic.

However until winning or losing a match actually matters I will continue to discourage my corp and squad mates from doing it for the simple reason that it's not fun.

Killing someone while their screen[sic] is black is no challenge for me and it definitely isn't fun for the victim.

Wrong, this is exactly what they did. It is a valid part of Dust.

It is literally:
CRU has been hacked.
Red comes to attack.
Choice: take over, camp spawns.

Did not take a PhD in nuclear engineering to create that possible scenario tree...

CCP is smart enough to take your money, give them some credit

Technically, it is an exploit, but not of the game itself. It's an exploit of the dumb opponents that spawn in knowing there are people waiting to obliterate them. It's not like there is no counter for it. All you have to do is not spawn there...

I totally agree it is a valid tactic, CCP put it in...


My problem lies in the fact that with the new spawn system red dots get "stuck" into a no win situation unless there is a valid uplink to spawn on.

Regardless of what some may say, the new spawn system WILL spawn you next to your teammates on the CRU whether you choose it or not.

So if there is no other choice to spawn in with X or Square...

It's clearly an exploit, but just like every other exploit in this game the community will defend it as a smart tactic. And while it may indeed be a smart tactic since it's there and might as well take advantage of it, that doesn't change the fact that is also an exploit and should be on the list of things to fix.

I don't mind people doing it but it is very annoying when I hear some idiot say, "dun Hax de objecative yhu noob!" while two objectives are being taken.

If there's nothing else to do then go ahead but when objectives are being compromised, don't be that idiot.

actually from my experience i have never instantly died, this guy is exageratting, his connection is crap, or he takes to long too move after spawning. you hold down sprint while waiting to spawn in and immediately start bunny hopping most of the time you can kill the campers unless it's a heavy.. these whiners are going to ask for some crutch like a 5 second spawn immunity, they cried in all the battlefields for this same crutch, luckily they were denied it in that game every time they whined for it EA actually had a sack that time.

Can anyone honestly say that they like the new ambush better than the old one? Its not fun anymore at all...

It's Cheap period,you wouldnt want to be spawn camped yourself and dont give me that crap thats "it's legit,tactical,hur it's a challenge for me etc", id laugh in your face over the mic.

I cannot get spawn camped at the same point twice.
You are right I don't like being killed on spawn....so...I look.

Don't spawn into a camped point.

It

Doesn't

Take

A

Genius

how? You dont spawn and wait till someone puts a droplink somewhere?(hopefuly) if no other points are availaible the game just puts you at the CRU where everyone else is getting camped,it's a cycle you cant escape till the enemy hacks or destroys the CRU genius.

Can anyone honestly say that they like the new ambush better than the old one? Its not fun anymore at all...

1, There are only 2 maps in ambush OMS that have CRUs and those seem to have a reduced chance of being drawn (in 10 games tonight i only hit one once(obviously not a scientific study (lol)))
2, If you hit the square button you do not necessarily get tossed into the CRU area (if you do get tossed there it is usually because that is where many of your team have congregated. I tested it to make sure I wasn't talking out of my kitten.
3, While it is possible to spawn near the CRU on default spawning (a)it is unlikely (b)it is not where the CRU spawns, sure it is close but you aren't directly where the campers are aimed. (c) UNLIKELY, as in, it can happen but that isn't the way to bet.
4,I almost always carry uplinks for for my squad and if i see one is compromised I place a new one right away to kill the camped one. It is what you do if you are a good teammate. (I recognise that most people do not carry uplinks and this is not an option unless they are in a squad that has a guy who does)

I'm not trying to condescend or treat you like an ass, I just cannot see how this is difficult.

When you play a game and it lets you do "x" and the Devs after being made aware of "x" do not post that "x" is an exploit. "x" then is not only legal, it is part of the game. I do not expect you to follow my moral code, you have no right to demand anyone follow yours whatever it may be whatever country you may be from, however you have been raised.

Peace dude, not trying to get in your face.

Person spawns in and before he even gets control of his character he is dead. And do you honestly think CCP sat at the design table saying, "Ok, not let's make this so the enemy team can wait over here and kill the other team the moment they spawn!"

Do most of 4 work or Ambush regular and Ambush OMS?

Cheap and I don't like it being part of the game. It takes no skill to kill someone spawning in. There is no challenge. No risk.
Thread I posted about it;
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64169&find=unread

@Gunnut
I agree, but the same could be said for AFK SP farming. I think we need to explain our actions and reasoning as you have. I would simply state if you like the way it is or if you could think of something better also.

If you get spawncamped its your fault for spawning in the same place as reds are at. Sorry you just need to HTFU or go back to BF3 where they hold your hand cuz that's obviously more for you.

If you get spawncamped its your fault for spawning in the same place as reds are at. Sorry you just need to HTFU or go back to BF3 where they hold your hand cuz that's obviously more for you.

Right you are. I should just spawn in the red and snipe for the rest of the game. Secondly what if it's a sniper or a tank camping it from 200+m? Still my fault for spawning on the battlefield lol?

Is EvE uni all **** spawn campers or just you? I ask because you seem to want a mechanic which provides skill free kills. Not cool, not good. You feel this is the best possible spawn system? As for digging at bf3? When Dust has friendly fire, maybe you'll be able to say something about hand holding. But I say you are having your hand held with such an easy system to spawn camp.
Free kills = hand held.

Leave this discussion to those who aren't fatsuit redline scrub snipers ratscrub. You're still **** after a year. Go play some **** space game where time played > skill.

Smart, idiots gonna be idiots

Right you are. I should just spawn in the red and snipe for the rest of the game. Secondly what if it's a sniper or a tank camping it from 200+m? Still my fault for spawning on the battlefield lol?

Is EvE uni all **** spawn campers or just you? I ask because you seem to want a mechanic which provides skill free kills. Not cool, not good. You feel this is the best possible spawn system? As for digging at bf3? When Dust has friendly fire, maybe you'll be able to say something about hand holding. But I say you are having your hand held with such an easy system to spawn camp.
Free kills = hand held.

Telling someone to HTFU to what is a pretty obvious exploit/failed piece of game design is so mind blowingly stupid.

Yes, the game is unforgiving. A good example: you can lose 1.6 million isk in a single round if you call a tank in and it gets popped by a turret no one is even manning. Yadda, yadda, it's tough fact you have to live with, and it's supposed to be. But dying as you spawn because the other team wants to sit around and pad their kills instead of play the game as intended is bull. And yes, you're intended to take those points, that's why you get 50-100 points+(depending on squad commands) to take them. It's an incentive that's implemented to nudge you into doing it.

If you were truly intended to spawn camp, the other team's main spawn wouldn't be out of bounds. You could just walk in and mow them down since you have all the other possible spawn points and the round would end quickly. It's not that way because that's not fun. It shouldn't be fun for the people doing it, and it certainly isn't fun for the people it's happening to. As game designers, they realized this probably as early on as possible and addressed it.

To say that the current system in place is 100% perfect and could use no possible changes to improve it is short-sighted. Was it better or worse before the last spawn point update? Oh, it was worse everyone keeps saying? So it was worse, and now it's the gold standard of FPS spawning? I'm certain that's the case.

And for anyone saying "leave the game then. You won't be missed." Haha, I'm sure the designers of the game, who want people to play it and eventually spend money on it, don't necessarily agree with your elitist **** there.

I'm sure that you have noticed that you and those that agree with you are in the minority. If it is changed then strategies will adapt to the changes but so far it has not even been hinted at that they plan to change it so yes HTFU. You will not be missed because the majority are just fine with the way it is.

Im a lil tw@t

anyone who thinks this is not a legit thing is a casual gamer, so their opinion matters about as much as a used piece of toilet paper. both can get flushed. at least the toilet paper knows how to do its job. can't say the same for the sissy casual gamer.

first you lil sissies hide behind the red line so you can't get killed.

now you're mad because you spawned on a cru with no blue dots around it and got killed.


only folks who suck at gaming would think this isn't "fair".

Peace
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MAG bunker > Dust CRU

[quote=Gunnut88] When Dust has friendly fire, maybe you'll be able to say something about hand holding. But I say you are having your hand held with such an easy system to spawn camp.
Free kills = hand held.