If your gonna play aggressive as a scout like super aggressive then you will die a lot try to take your time but also be aggressive at the same time don't stand around waiting for the perfect kill but don't run into a group of heavies either

So... what significant advantage does the scout have over the assault type-II ?

Well for one there is a great speed and stealth advantage and i'm pretty sure the scout suits are 4000 to 5000 isk cheaper

Great speed? not nearly enoughover the assault type-11 variations to out way the hp advantage. Stealth is only better by 5 points, with the greater cpu and more slots you can actually close that gap without a problem if you feel like it. And 4000 t0 5000isk.... lol

Assault type-II > scout type-I + type-II

Hey i'm not saying you have to like the suit i'm just saying i do and i can do well with it isn't that all that matters?

I'm saying scout needs buff in it's own niche.

Actually, the speed of them is only their secondary advantage. Their scanning stats are highly misunderestimated.

We can all agree that the scout suit is a extremely hard to use suit but if used properly the benefits out way the disadvantages

I thought we just went over this...

It's not underestimated; it's useless.

well obviously some people don't understand.

Actually, the speed of them is only their secondary advantage. Their scanning stats are highly misunderestimated.

I have already proved benefits do not out weigh disadvantages by comparing them to another suit that can do everything a scout suit can do but better.

It moves only slightly faster then the assault with 1/3 the survival time under consistent fire. The signature is only slightly smaller then that of an assault. The point that really hammers it home, If you are a good scout, you can be a great assault for all the same reasons.

It moves only slightly faster then the assault with 1/3 the survival time under consistent fire. The signature is only slightly smaller then that of an assault. The point that really hammers it home, If you are a good scout, you can be a great assault for all the same reasons.

Which suit has better scanning stats (both profile AND PRECISION)?
Which suit has a higher strafe speed?
Which suit has better shield regen?

Which suit has ALL those things as well as straight-line speed and HP to outmatch the Scout?

^Higher shields, module slots and CPU/PG > everything you said above. Is speed really that significant at the cost of lower number of modulr slots and HP???

Mercs that say "the scout is only marginally better in these Individual aspects" Need to consider this.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

All of these small advantages the scout has in speed, movement, jumping, stamina and shield regeneration add up to create a highly mobile killing machine.

So while your walking towards enemies shooting and taking hits to the face and thanking your amazing shield and armour capacity ill be sprinting round on the flank to clean up.

I'm saying scout needs buff in it's own niche.(since it has no significant specialty to make it a worthwhile asset)

That means scouts are great for "lone wolf" infiltration tactics? Sometimes I like getting through the back and kill a group of snipers, sneaking up a heavy or just killing without being noticed while the group's attention is at my whole team.

I think this is an important question. Does firing your weapon makes you appear on your enemy's radar???? Been wanting to try out those Nova Knives for the lulz.

As a dedicated Scout player since may, i've seen the influx of scout players and then the mass exodus away from scouts when CODEX hit, its bound to happen when they slashed the strafe speed and fix the hit detection. Even the Dev said they tweaked the strafe speed way down past what they thought was acceptable to gather information, Remember when they did this back in precursor, they Halved every AV weapon damage including AV Grenades and they put every vehicle on a 50% sale.

I will agree with the above points that the assault type-2 suit or b-series does beat the scout for the over all health they can get out of it, and with more slots and cpu/pg the assault suit is far superior in this build.

You may ask why i spec'd down that tree, or why i still play scout when i know i could easly gain 1.0 to 2.0 on my KDR by just switching to Assault. The answer is i know scouts will be getting buffed like the Logi (10% to hack speed) but for something else, i know there's going to be lots more focus on electronic warfare so being able to evade scanners and detect players in my vicinity will not only help me but help the team.

Not only that i love the challenge of playing the suit

In my opinion the Scout suit is underestimated. Its a great suit in nearly all aspects. The lack of Armour and Shields is easily countered by the ability they have to dodge and the speed to run away from a sticky situation Their shields regen super quick as well.

The scout is the fastest Usain Bolt a run for his money. out flank enemy positions to give their team valuable intel and to also

get high K/d Games and often win as well.

Assault Strafe speed? MUCH lower than Scout.
Assault scan profile? Only slightly lower, but that's why I asked for profile AND PRECISION.
Assault shield regen? Also significantly lower than the Scout.

Straight-line speed? Scout is ahead - not by a huge amount, but still ahead.

And that's before I bring up the stamina advantage. Scouts have more stamina and faster regen than other suits, allowing for much more CONSISTENT mobility - which is important in buildings and areas with a good amount of cover... IF you're good at playing to those strengths.

That is a wonderful example of a selective and close minded view point on this, thank you.You fail to acknowledge any of the assault suit's advantages and how they may or may not cancel out the scout's advantages.

First off, profile and precision are only at a 5 point(10%) difference from the assault suit, yes you can still call that an advantage but you shouldn't get carried away just because you want to aimlessly defend the scout suit.

Strafe speed may be significantly higher then the assault type-I variations but not a big difference over the assault type-IIs, yes you do feel a difference when you play the suit, and I have to admit the scout does feel nicer, but from your enemy's view point (where it matters) there is hardly a difference at all when tracking it.

Now for the regen. True it is significantly higher and it does actually pay off in some situations but in my experience playing in both suits, the hp advantage the assault suit has pays off in more situations then the scouts lower hp but higher recovery. You can keep the scout suit in spots where it has the advantage but ultimately the play style required to exploit the fast regen can easily anchor you down in a match.

The most significant advantage I have found the scout suit to have is it's larger pool of stamina which allows you to sprint to objectives and move around the map faster on foot, but free LAVs

The assault suit has more slots and more cpu which allows it to be a far better asset then the scout can ever hope to be atm. If you'd like you can even put those slots to use and turn it into a scout suit with the right mods and still be more effective. The way scout suits are right now makes them more of a liability then an advantage and even if you do well in them it most likely just means your not playing to your full potential do to the suit's limitations, it makes me sad

btw this is the part where you say "sorry, I was wrong"

That is a wonderful example of a selective and close minded view point on this, thank you.You fail to acknowledge any of the assault suit's advantages and how they may or may not cancel out the scout's advantages.

First off, profile and precision are only at a 5 point(10%) difference from the assault suit, yes you can still call that an advantage but you shouldn't get carried away just because you want to aimlessly defend the scout suit.

Strafe speed may be significantly higher then the assault type-I variations but not a big difference over the assault type-IIs, yes you do feel a difference when you play the suit, and I have to admit the scout does feel nicer, but from your enemy's view point (where it matters) there is hardly a difference at all when tracking it.

Now for the regen. True it is significantly higher and it does actually pay off in some situations but in my experience playing in both suits, the hp advantage the assault suit has pays off in more situations then the scouts lower hp but higher recovery. You can keep the scout suit in spots where it has the advantage but ultimately the play style required to exploit the fast regen can easily anchor you down in a match.

The most significant advantage I have found the scout suit to have is it's larger pool of stamina which allows you to sprint to objectives and move around the map faster on foot, but free LAVs

The assault suit has more slots and more cpu which allows it to be a far better asset then the scout can ever hope to be atm. If you'd like you can even put those slots to use and turn it into a scout suit with the right mods and still be more effective. The way scout suits are right now makes them more of a liability then an advantage and even if you do well in them it most likely just means your not playing to your full potential do to the suit's limitations, it makes me sad

btw this is the part where you say "sorry, I was wrong"

I love Scout cause I feel it challenged me (and I like the sprint speed and look) I play Scout very aggressive and foolishly. Instead of camping and hiding I rush and go into 1v1s playing to the Scouts weakness. 2 CShieldExtenders only give me 232 shields and 98 armor. That is EASILY melted by anything. I find myself losing some gunfights by some players that aren't even good (DMG Mods are a noobs favorite toy) I feel Scout need a significant speed advantage cause Sprint only is no speed advantage unless it is CLEARLY faster and not just barely faster. As far as the a Scout can sprint for ages and leave Assault behind most Assault can keep up with me some what ya I out run them but it's not by much. I wait for the day where CCP wakes up and realizes that Scout suits are pointless at the time. I wish everyday that I went Logi or Assault but will continue to stay Scout in hopes our day will come.

Now let me start off I have used all the suits in the game for at least a week so i know how most of them work pretty much inside and out.

In order from my favourite to least favourite are the

Favourite Scout

Then logi

Then Assault

Then Heavy

This thread is about how much In my opinion the Scout suit is underestimated. Its a great suit in nearly all aspects. The lack of Armour and Shields is easily countered by the ability they have to dodge and the speed to run away from a sticky situation Their shields regen super quick as well.

The scout is the fastest ground unit on Dust 514. With a base sprint speed of 7.8 m/s before modifiers, these guys can give Usain Bolt a run for his money. The primary function of scouts in Dust 514 is to get to objectives quickly during skirmish matches and make the hack. Other purposes of the scouts are to out flank enemy positions to give their team valuable intel and to also drop uplinks at strategic locations. Quoted from the http://warravens.enjin.com/scout website

Great suit try it out if you haven't there not only for shotguns or snipers or smgs i use an assault rifle and get high K/d Games and often win as well.

+1

I only fear they leave our pretty Gallente Scouts as are and tweak new suits to proper stats.

Everyone seems to miss a BIG part of the scout suit that makes it deadly is its size. It has the smallest hitbox out of all the Suits making it extremely hard to hit while moving.

has anybody who is saying the scout suit is just a crap assault suit actually put xp into the scanning and stealth skills. coz if you have not then your right, your scout suit is just a crap assault suit

Assault suits can do that too

Not to the extent that the Scout suit can though

That is a wonderful example of a selective and close minded view point on this, thank you.You fail to acknowledge any of the assault suit's advantages and how they may or may not cancel out the scout's advantages.

First off, profile and precision are only at a 5 point(10%) difference from the assault suit, yes you can still call that an advantage but you shouldn't get carried away just because you want to aimlessly defend the scout suit.

Strafe speed may be significantly higher then the assault type-I variations but not a big difference over the assault type-IIs, yes you do feel a difference when you play the suit, and I have to admit the scout does feel nicer, but from your enemy's view point (where it matters) there is hardly a difference at all when tracking it.

Now for the regen. True it is significantly higher and it does actually pay off in some situations but in my experience playing in both suits, the hp advantage the assault suit has pays off in more situations then the scouts lower hp but higher recovery. You can keep the scout suit in spots where it has the advantage but ultimately the play style required to exploit the fast regen can easily anchor you down in a match.

The most significant advantage I have found the scout suit to have is it's larger pool of stamina which allows you to sprint to objectives and move around the map faster on foot, but free LAVs

The assault suit has more slots and more cpu which allows it to be a far better asset then the scout can ever hope to be atm. If you'd like you can even put those slots to use and turn it into a scout suit with the right mods and still be more effective. The way scout suits are right now makes them more of a liability then an advantage and even if you do well in them it most likely just means your not playing to your full potential do to the suit's limitations, it makes me sad

btw this is the part where you say "sorry, I was wrong"

Cope higher DPI mouse with a HMG and a Scout is as good as standing still.

There's a mouse that lets you break the turn speed cap? That's news to me as well.In CQC, a good Scout can stay out of that HMG's line of fire by moving faster than the Heavy can turn. And the speed advantage over Assaults gives Scouts a (slightly) larger window in which it's possible, allowing for more of a margin for error than in the closest Assault suit to matching their speed.

Yes Garrett. 2000 DPI is apparently the limit when it comes to PS3 and a mouse. Maxed DPI does feel notably faster than fastest (most sensitive) set on Sixaxis -- in Rail and Blaster instalation.

Will give it a proper test this evening.

I can't believe shield recharge rate was mentioned only once. To me that is the biggest difference between scout and assault.

As a result, scout can take more 'sustained' damage over time than assault. While the Assault is better at the low IQ standing in the open point your gun at the guy and hold the trigger conflicts. Scout will win every time when it is a matter of glancing grenade battles, hopping in, out, and around cover, taking spray from various angles etc.

Both suits can negate one another's advantages in various ways. I'm not denying that. I'm focusing on where the Scouts DO have the advantage because THAT'S WHAT OTHERS ARE ARGUING AGAINST. When people claim the Scout has NO advantages, that's flat-out WRONG. There are advantages, and when you play to those advantages, you can CONSISTENTLY beat Assaults. Just like a good Assault player can consistently beat a Scout when playing to the Assault's advantages.

I'll make a longer post later since most of your response translates to, "no your wrong." I will say my bad on the scan precision stats I'm glad they must have changed them since last I was on, or I made a mistake when thinking back on them. I will just say I have played both suits extensively and the way this game is, scouts are not even needed here at all the same way assaults, logis, and heavies are. At there highest potential in matches they are just a throw away suit to quickly get an uplink down without using a free LAV. Prove me wrong.

CQC-fitted Scouts are better than CQC-fitted Assaults for countering HMGs, Snipers, Laser Rifles and long-range AV infantry on most maps.

While not necessarily more effective, Scout Snipers provide support differently and are harder to track down than Assault Snipers.

Actually using the Scout AS A SCOUT can provide benefits to the team that an extra set of shields and a gun on the front line will never provide, and the Scout does it better than any other suit.

Well-fitted AR Scouts can chip away at most enemies with very little risk to themselves, and will force the enemy to retreat (at which point, they can outrun most enemies trying to run from them).

The being better at countering HMGs is out right wrong, and for the CQC-fitted suit going after the long range is just an ineffective method entirely. You use long range weapons to most effectively take out enemies at long range.

Scout snipers are in no way harder to track, this I know for a fact as I've tracked down hundreds of either suit.

Again wrong with a sniper rifle you can mark targets with the range of the sniper scope all the same, and even without that the fact that you see everything your squad sees there is no need for a suit designed for scouting. With communication we have never had the need for a scout suit.

lol at this a logi or an assault suit with an AR can do this and kill the other opponent rather then forcing him to retreat. If your talking about a group of enemies then yes you can kite them, however in a logi or assault you can jump in and out of cover and stand your ground more.

Sorry to say but you haven't proved anything at all.

Proof of why I'm wrong on the HMG? I've explained my reasons. It's easier - for a variety of reasons - to locate a Heavy with a Scout than an Assault, confirm their position, facing and heading, and get yourself into position to ambush them from behind, than to do the same with an Assault. Going head-on against HMG Heavies is likely to get you killed with either suit, so hitting from behind in close quarters is a better option. You CAN use all your Low Slots and most of your fitting capacity to (almost) match the reasons a Scout is better at this than an Assault, but the Scout can use all their fittings slots to dual-tank and basically have the same statlines for everything once you're both done. And without going overboard on tanking your Scout, if you can get close to the heavy, the Scout's mobility gives it an advantage in being a more difficult target that makes more difference in that situation than the extra HP would.

As for long-range weapons, countering them with your own is a fail tactic when the enemy is in a secure position and you're not. CQC fittings are built to negate the advantages of long-range weapons. Scouts are particularly good at doing so. Assaults only moderately so.

Obviously not used to dealing with good Scout Snipers. A Scout Sniper playing the role correctly is a rare event, but if and when you see it, they're the ones most likely to run 20+/0 without Redlining themselves.

With a Sniper Rifle, you can mark ONE enemy at basically any range regardless of your suit, but you need line of sight to do so. With the right skills trained and the right modules on a Scout fitted as an ACTUAL Scout, you can get close to an area where enemy activity is suspected and light up MULTIPLE enemies, and you can do so WITHOUT EXPOSING YOURSELF TO RETURN FIRE.

An Assault or Logi can go toe-to-toe with an enemy and survive while the enemy goes down, but has to be MUCH more cautious when outnumbered, and usually ends up having to retreat as soon as they take significant damage when trying to harass enemies. A Scout can attack from one position, fire a few shots, move into a new spot (or make the enemy think they're moving while staying in the same cover) then repeat the process, and consistently recover most (if not all) of their shields faster than the Assault. Unless you fill two High and one Low Slot to match the Scout's shield regen stats, and probably another Low Slot for a Stamina mod. Even then, you'll need a Profile Dampener to have as gooda chance as the Scout does of deceiving the enemy or making sure they don't know where you've gone. They can bait enemies into splitting up or spreading out, and they can force cautious players to TRY and run, then chase them down when they do. if an enemy tries to retreat from a Scout trying to do the same thing, there's a better chance of success. To match the Scout's ability to fight this way, you're giving up Slots the Scout will be using for Damage Mods.

You use long range weapons to most effectively take out enemies at long range.

Unless you're me, who uses shotguns to take out enemies at long range

It's called positional awareness and tactical approach

The fact is you don't need to run at it the same way you do as a scout. Do you understand how well you can tank an assault suit and still position yourself behind a heavy? Just because your not a scout doesn't mean you can't pick up other enemies. With the assault suit you can fit better gear and still ambush the heavy the same way you described a scout would.

If they are in a secure position you have an even harder job to get close enough to them with CQC weapons.

I have gone up against some of the best snipers in this game, and from personal experience I can tell you have absolutely no idea what your talking about here. Sniping is what I do and I happen to run a scout suit and do you know what I found from my own results?
A-series scout < type-I assault.

You don't need to light up enemies all you have to do is call out their position. Since everything your squad sees you see, there is no problem with lighting up red dots. Not even scouts can see everything and verbally pointing out enemies is all that is necessary.

It seems obvious to me at this point you don't know how to play this game and your just spewing out utter bs. Why would you have an assault suit try to be a scout when it's advantages play out even better in a situation like this then a scout can hope to accomplish. It's pointless for me now to bother discussing this with you when your going to make up scenarios in your head where the scout comes out ahead and all other suits loose. I wish you weren't so biased.

I think there is a serious lack of appreciation for the scouts mobility, not necessarily its speed. The ability to quickly jump over hindering terrain to disappear is a godsend. Running two enhanced profile dampeners, I very often lose groups of enemies, only to sneak up around behind them to unleash terror on them.

Assault Shotgun is definitely the way to go in a one on one fight, but I'm french, and a fair fight is one that I win, soooo......

scouts need a speed buff thats what it really comes down to their speed advantage is just not significant enough. a small increase to movement(say 0.5) and a slightly larger increase to sprint(1.0 ish) and scouts would be fine.

Realistically its a scaling problem, scouts were nerfed because they used to be better then just about any thing on the field in proto suits and in STD where almost good as an assault(and a lot more fun). They still scale really well but they start out really painful to play with.

Its the opposite problems that heavies have, CCP is going to have to revisit how they treat suits to fix this and I have no clue how they will, heavies are easy, heavy modules, but scouts need something that becomes less important not more as you skill into them.

Again it seems Scouts ONLY weapon of success is shotguns I shouldn't be stuck to only one gun to achieve success I should be able to use a AR just like any other suit.

Again it seems Scouts ONLY weapon of success is shotguns I shouldn't be stuck to only one gun to achieve success I should be able to use a AR just like any other suit.

Scouts are great. I wish I spec'd into it instead of the assault suit.

Why though?

as an avid scout user I can tell you they are not fine nor are they broken to the point of uselessness but, as I said above, they do need a buff and something that will help them at the start but has no consequence in the later stages of scouting.

So because YOU are better with the Assault, and play Sniper in the manner that best suits an Assault suit, the VERY DIFFERENT playstyle that makes a Scout Sniper viable doesn't exist? Sorry, but no.

Also, Garrett: Cmdr Wand announced that they will look at disparity between KBM and Sixaxis. When you go max DPI which PS3 allows, you definitely turn a bit faster. Now, as a Scout setting that high DPI means you cannot hit anything, but Heavy may come close to top speed and manage his aim.

The dev team will compare turn speeds with kbm and controllers for both infantry and vehicles to see if there are inconsistancies.

I've actually seen that since I posted earlier. it's interesting.


That doesn't say they'll look at the disparity, which assumes that there is a disparity to look at. It says they'll look to see if there is a disparity or not, which is completely different. With how they've worded that, it's clear that there SHOULDN'T be a difference in max turning speeds between control schemes, and if there is, it's a bug and will be fixed.

I haven't personally seen evidence of this, and I haven't seen confirmation from CCP that they consider it any more than a concern to be investigated, so while it's possible it's true, I'm still viewing it as a rumour until I see evidence of it for myself. If and when that happens, cool, but at the moment, I'm happy that CCP are investigating it as a possible problem while people are reporting it as such.

If you haven't seen, that means you tested? If not, try this: set your DPI on mouse to 3200 DPI (that will be set to 2000 by PS3 if the limit exist at all) and and set mouse sensitivity to highest. Then set your Seixaxis sensitivity to X-Y highest.

A Scout using a mouse with this settings is almost impossible to be aimed/played with. Sixaxis is fast but more manageable. There most certainly is disparity.

Again it seems Scouts ONLY weapon of success is shotguns I shouldn't be stuck to only one gun to achieve success I should be able to use a AR just like any other suit.