Cope higher DPI mouse with a HMG and a Scout is as good as standing still.

There's a mouse that lets you break the turn speed cap? That's news to me as well.In CQC, a good Scout can stay out of that HMG's line of fire by moving faster than the Heavy can turn. And the speed advantage over Assaults gives Scouts a (slightly) larger window in which it's possible, allowing for more of a margin for error than in the closest Assault suit to matching their speed.

Yes Garrett. 2000 DPI is apparently the limit when it comes to PS3 and a mouse. Maxed DPI does feel notably faster than fastest (most sensitive) set on Sixaxis -- in Rail and Blaster instalation.

Will give it a proper test this evening.

I can't believe shield recharge rate was mentioned only once. To me that is the biggest difference between scout and assault.

As a result, scout can take more 'sustained' damage over time than assault. While the Assault is better at the low IQ standing in the open point your gun at the guy and hold the trigger conflicts. Scout will win every time when it is a matter of glancing grenade battles, hopping in, out, and around cover, taking spray from various angles etc.

Both suits can negate one another's advantages in various ways. I'm not denying that. I'm focusing on where the Scouts DO have the advantage because THAT'S WHAT OTHERS ARE ARGUING AGAINST. When people claim the Scout has NO advantages, that's flat-out WRONG. There are advantages, and when you play to those advantages, you can CONSISTENTLY beat Assaults. Just like a good Assault player can consistently beat a Scout when playing to the Assault's advantages.

I'll make a longer post later since most of your response translates to, "no your wrong." I will say my bad on the scan precision stats I'm glad they must have changed them since last I was on, or I made a mistake when thinking back on them. I will just say I have played both suits extensively and the way this game is, scouts are not even needed here at all the same way assaults, logis, and heavies are. At there highest potential in matches they are just a throw away suit to quickly get an uplink down without using a free LAV. Prove me wrong.

CQC-fitted Scouts are better than CQC-fitted Assaults for countering HMGs, Snipers, Laser Rifles and long-range AV infantry on most maps.

While not necessarily more effective, Scout Snipers provide support differently and are harder to track down than Assault Snipers.

Actually using the Scout AS A SCOUT can provide benefits to the team that an extra set of shields and a gun on the front line will never provide, and the Scout does it better than any other suit.

Well-fitted AR Scouts can chip away at most enemies with very little risk to themselves, and will force the enemy to retreat (at which point, they can outrun most enemies trying to run from them).

The being better at countering HMGs is out right wrong, and for the CQC-fitted suit going after the long range is just an ineffective method entirely. You use long range weapons to most effectively take out enemies at long range.

Scout snipers are in no way harder to track, this I know for a fact as I've tracked down hundreds of either suit.

Again wrong with a sniper rifle you can mark targets with the range of the sniper scope all the same, and even without that the fact that you see everything your squad sees there is no need for a suit designed for scouting. With communication we have never had the need for a scout suit.

lol at this a logi or an assault suit with an AR can do this and kill the other opponent rather then forcing him to retreat. If your talking about a group of enemies then yes you can kite them, however in a logi or assault you can jump in and out of cover and stand your ground more.

Sorry to say but you haven't proved anything at all.

Proof of why I'm wrong on the HMG? I've explained my reasons. It's easier - for a variety of reasons - to locate a Heavy with a Scout than an Assault, confirm their position, facing and heading, and get yourself into position to ambush them from behind, than to do the same with an Assault. Going head-on against HMG Heavies is likely to get you killed with either suit, so hitting from behind in close quarters is a better option. You CAN use all your Low Slots and most of your fitting capacity to (almost) match the reasons a Scout is better at this than an Assault, but the Scout can use all their fittings slots to dual-tank and basically have the same statlines for everything once you're both done. And without going overboard on tanking your Scout, if you can get close to the heavy, the Scout's mobility gives it an advantage in being a more difficult target that makes more difference in that situation than the extra HP would.

As for long-range weapons, countering them with your own is a fail tactic when the enemy is in a secure position and you're not. CQC fittings are built to negate the advantages of long-range weapons. Scouts are particularly good at doing so. Assaults only moderately so.

Obviously not used to dealing with good Scout Snipers. A Scout Sniper playing the role correctly is a rare event, but if and when you see it, they're the ones most likely to run 20+/0 without Redlining themselves.

With a Sniper Rifle, you can mark ONE enemy at basically any range regardless of your suit, but you need line of sight to do so. With the right skills trained and the right modules on a Scout fitted as an ACTUAL Scout, you can get close to an area where enemy activity is suspected and light up MULTIPLE enemies, and you can do so WITHOUT EXPOSING YOURSELF TO RETURN FIRE.

An Assault or Logi can go toe-to-toe with an enemy and survive while the enemy goes down, but has to be MUCH more cautious when outnumbered, and usually ends up having to retreat as soon as they take significant damage when trying to harass enemies. A Scout can attack from one position, fire a few shots, move into a new spot (or make the enemy think they're moving while staying in the same cover) then repeat the process, and consistently recover most (if not all) of their shields faster than the Assault. Unless you fill two High and one Low Slot to match the Scout's shield regen stats, and probably another Low Slot for a Stamina mod. Even then, you'll need a Profile Dampener to have as gooda chance as the Scout does of deceiving the enemy or making sure they don't know where you've gone. They can bait enemies into splitting up or spreading out, and they can force cautious players to TRY and run, then chase them down when they do. if an enemy tries to retreat from a Scout trying to do the same thing, there's a better chance of success. To match the Scout's ability to fight this way, you're giving up Slots the Scout will be using for Damage Mods.

You use long range weapons to most effectively take out enemies at long range.

Unless you're me, who uses shotguns to take out enemies at long range

It's called positional awareness and tactical approach

The fact is you don't need to run at it the same way you do as a scout. Do you understand how well you can tank an assault suit and still position yourself behind a heavy? Just because your not a scout doesn't mean you can't pick up other enemies. With the assault suit you can fit better gear and still ambush the heavy the same way you described a scout would.

If they are in a secure position you have an even harder job to get close enough to them with CQC weapons.

I have gone up against some of the best snipers in this game, and from personal experience I can tell you have absolutely no idea what your talking about here. Sniping is what I do and I happen to run a scout suit and do you know what I found from my own results?
A-series scout < type-I assault.

You don't need to light up enemies all you have to do is call out their position. Since everything your squad sees you see, there is no problem with lighting up red dots. Not even scouts can see everything and verbally pointing out enemies is all that is necessary.

It seems obvious to me at this point you don't know how to play this game and your just spewing out utter bs. Why would you have an assault suit try to be a scout when it's advantages play out even better in a situation like this then a scout can hope to accomplish. It's pointless for me now to bother discussing this with you when your going to make up scenarios in your head where the scout comes out ahead and all other suits loose. I wish you weren't so biased.

I think there is a serious lack of appreciation for the scouts mobility, not necessarily its speed. The ability to quickly jump over hindering terrain to disappear is a godsend. Running two enhanced profile dampeners, I very often lose groups of enemies, only to sneak up around behind them to unleash terror on them.

Assault Shotgun is definitely the way to go in a one on one fight, but I'm french, and a fair fight is one that I win, soooo......

scouts need a speed buff thats what it really comes down to their speed advantage is just not significant enough. a small increase to movement(say 0.5) and a slightly larger increase to sprint(1.0 ish) and scouts would be fine.

Realistically its a scaling problem, scouts were nerfed because they used to be better then just about any thing on the field in proto suits and in STD where almost good as an assault(and a lot more fun). They still scale really well but they start out really painful to play with.

Its the opposite problems that heavies have, CCP is going to have to revisit how they treat suits to fix this and I have no clue how they will, heavies are easy, heavy modules, but scouts need something that becomes less important not more as you skill into them.

Again it seems Scouts ONLY weapon of success is shotguns I shouldn't be stuck to only one gun to achieve success I should be able to use a AR just like any other suit.

Again it seems Scouts ONLY weapon of success is shotguns I shouldn't be stuck to only one gun to achieve success I should be able to use a AR just like any other suit.

Scouts are great. I wish I spec'd into it instead of the assault suit.