Are you sure it's coming to random battles?

Are you sure it's coming to random battles?

Are you sure it's coming to random battles?

Hope all is well with you Sake! but I already picture this being very bad. I see a lot of team killing on the way.

Wonder how they will handle equipment being lost from friendly kills?

I guess, kills behind redline don't count at all.

Or if your killed by a friendly who started shooting you while you were at 100 percent...but that wouldnt work, because maybe he was shooting at enemies and someone jumped in his way.

I can see soooo much rage coming in.

Per CCP_Praetorian on Twitter

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Personally, I can't wait for this.

That's why it isn't coming to random battles. It's for corps.

If friendly fire is coming to pubs then the only way it wouldn't completely break this game is if friendlies receive <50% damage and a vote to kick option or automatic kick at x amount of teamkills is added.

For team kiiling, there should be a voting kick system for this. If you're hacking something, your teammate will kill you for the points.

Also, the team kill then revival for points.

If friendly fire is coming to pubs then the only way it wouldn't completely break this game is if friendlies receive <50% damage and a vote to kick option or automatic kick at x amount of teamkills is added.

Oh great here it comes. Dumb tards going to abuse this like if there would be no tommorrow.

Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !

When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills.

In the other guy's post, he asked about equipment lost via friendly fire. Easy. Subtract the cost from the TK'ers wallet, plus a bunch extra as a penalty, and reimburse the person killed a percentage of it from said penalty.

DEATH TO THE REDLINE SNIPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD

For team kiiling, there should be a voting kick system for this. If you're hacking something, your teammate will kill you for the points.

Also, the team kill then revival for points.

I like this suggestion. You break it you pay for it.

There is already precedence for team killing to go to random battles for a game like this. World of Tanks handled it perfectly, and if they can do it, Dust can do it. Friendly fire would be a great addition to the game, CCP simply need to be wise in their FF punishment rules.

In the other guy's post, he asked about equipment lost via friendly fire. Easy. Subtract the cost from the TK'ers wallet, plus a bunch extra as a penalty, and reimburse the person killed a percentage of it from said penalty.

And the good news is that, were CCP to copy Wargaming's system from WoT, all the people above hoping they'll be able to TK friendlies will eventually get automatically banned for increasingly lengthy periods of time, culminating in a permanent ban from Dust. Friendly fire would be chlorine in the Dust genepool.

Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match.

Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly.

It should be noted the EVE has friendly fire.

If friendly fire is coming to pubs then the only way it wouldn't completely break this game is if friendlies receive <50% damage and a vote to kick option or automatic kick at x amount of teamkills is added.

I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period

Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny.

Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening

I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period

Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny.

Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening

I hope its not in regular highsec pub matches.

Because being able to shoot into a crowd of Red and Blue and not having to wary about whether I hit a comrade completely breaks the immersion for me. Guns are dangerous. Your skill with a gun should be as much about your ability to not hit your friends as it is about hitting your enemies.

I definitely see it happening, but with this kind of community and the backstabbing nature of Eve, I srsly doubt we'll be able to hold it off for long. If it's a loosing fight, I'd rather levy a tax on it early than try to stave it off until the last breath.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that FF in pub matches is a disastrous idea, but I just don't see any chance of winning that fight.

In Dust terms, I look at it like I'm redlined in the last 3 minutes of a match. I may not win, but I'm gonna hurt you as much as I possibly f*ck*ng can in the process of losing. Fighting FF is like fighting to win in this scenario, almost impossible. But there are plenty of targets to hit if I'm just trying to do as much damage as I can. And hitting those targets basically equates to levying fines for TKing.

I'm thinking this could mostly be a reference to orbital bombardment. It has been announced that those will have friendly fire effects. They will be able to be more precise though to compensate.

I'm just a bit worried because, as a DS pilot, everybody requests me picking them up by shooting at me.
What if they take out a door gunner?

Or purposely kill the door gunner so they can take up the position. But that would never happen.

Watch out blueberries. I may start stabbing you if I catch you doing something amazingly stupid.

I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period

Friendly fire will be another top 5 bonehead additions to this game. I will NEVER attempt to hack an objective again. I can already see people shooting you in the back if you don't have any deaths or if you're wearing a proto suit just for trolling.

In other games, it's ok if you die by friendly fire or trolls but in this game...you will lose your $200K suit.

NOT COOL, CCP.

One problem with penalties for TK is that while that may deter griefers ( I doubt it) no one yet (I only got through first 3 pages of this thread) has seemed to think of the accidental killing people will do through no fault of their own. For example, if I'm firing mass driver rounds into a mass of red dots around their CRU and some shotgunning scout wants to get in their and get his kills how is it my fault when he gets his fool self blown up? Or if I toss a grenade around a corner and some blueberry charges around the corner behind me not heeding the fact I tossed a grenade, why should I be penalized for their stupidity.

Thus I hope they limit friendly fire to corp matches and possibly merc contracts where one has control over who they are playing with and there is communication. Otherwise hold off friendly fire until we have PvE to grind ISK and SP from and can thus avoid pub matches

Friendly Fire is going to add to the Meta to this game. It'll allow a lot more then griefing. I can finally duel my blue berry allies to show them to HTFU or STFU on comms ;)

Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !

When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills.

Per CCP_Praetorian on Twitter

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Personally, I can't wait for this.

If you allow friendly fire in random instant battles and don't have a feature to block people from matchmaking who teamkill this game is going to get really old really fast.



Dust is not EvE. In EvE teamkilling gets expensive. Lets say you have 5 HACs in your fleet and then a teamkiller joins you. That's fine... think he can take you all? Hell no. Particularly not in his militia gear / Ibis. If he has a command ship he might take one of you down... but not all... and it'll be expensive. In DUST, I could wipe out my entire team in a random battle before anyone could do anything about it. It's not the same thing at all. Friendly fire is fine in a public match if two features are present: The ability to boot someone on your team who kills you from the match, AND the ability to block them from joining you in future public matches. If CCP doesn't do both of those things, I will personally guarantee you I will teamkill the hell out of this game until they change their minds. ...because if I can't have fun I'll see to it no one can There will be no HTFU. There will be only me destroying spawn points and when they are all gone camping my own MCV. You'll be dead before you hit the ground.

Thats why I've getting run over by LAVs recently. I was wondering how did the red team manage to that, they didnt, its my own god damn team mates killing me and wasting my outfits. It was in a PUB match :( FF sux especially with noobs that have no idea.
FF should be more interrupting, like getting knocked over for a few seconds, so you can't actually get killed by team mates but if the enemy is around they have a huge advantage