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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:15:00 -
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Friendly fire will be another top 5 bonehead additions to this game. I will NEVER attempt to hack an objective again. I can already see people shooting you in the back if you don't have any deaths or if you're wearing a proto suit just for trolling.
In other games, it's ok if you die by friendly fire or trolls but in this game...you will lose your $200K suit.
NOT COOL, CCP. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:16:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !
When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills.
Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:26:00 -
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I hope the trolls kill you supporters for full friendly fire the most |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:36:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:
In the other guy's post, he asked about equipment lost via friendly fire. Easy. Subtract the cost from the TK'ers wallet, plus a bunch extra as a penalty, and reimburse the person killed a percentage of it from said penalty.
I like this suggestion. You break it you pay for it.
You really think that CCP is going to implement that? Listen....there is no increase in gameplay enjoyment by adding friendly fire. CCP needs to add the features that players have been promised.... |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:41:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !
When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly.
I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period
Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny.
Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:46:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:It should be noted the EVE has friendly fire.
So, what does that have to do with Dust 514? |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:18:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !
When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly. I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny. Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening Because being able to shoot into a crowd of Red and Blue and not having to wary about whether I hit a comrade completely breaks the immersion for me. Guns are dangerous. Your skill with a gun should be as much about your ability to not hit your friends as it is about hitting your enemies.
But you can't shoot through a blue dot to kill a red dot. So, essentially you are being penalized.
As noble as your intentions are, people WILL, undoubtedly, exploit it and totally ruin the game. Is making sure that you aim properly worth losing all of that ISK in matches??
If you want to make sure, skill is what gets the kill.....then don't wait for CCP to enforce it. Take initiative...make sure that you don't shoot any blues to kill a red dot. Because if you shoot a blue now, they take the bullets and you are not hitting your enemy anyway. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:22:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !
When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly. I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny. Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening I definitely see it happening, but with this kind of community and the backstabbing nature of Eve, I srsly doubt we'll be able to hold it off for long. If it's a loosing fight, I'd rather levy a tax on it early than try to stave it off until the last breath. I agree with you wholeheartedly that FF in pub matches is a disastrous idea, but I just don't see any chance of winning that fight. In Dust terms, I look at it like I'm redlined in the last 3 minutes of a match. I may not win, but I'm gonna hurt you as much as I possibly f*ck*ng can in the process of losing. Fighting FF is like fighting to win in this scenario, almost impossible. But there are plenty of targets to hit if I'm just trying to do as much damage as I can. And hitting those targets basically equates to levying fines for TKing.
Yes, we can stop it......if the community rises up and demands that this absurd idea does not make it to see the light, then CCP will listen. In the same way, we've gotten rid of the daily cap, we can prevent this stupid notion of friendly fire in this particular game.
Eve is separate from Dust and CCP wants to give Dust its own identity instead of making it into EVE on the fps side. So, just because there is backstabbing and teamkilling in EVE, it doesn't mean the same has to be for Dust. Look at the skill point system in Eve. It is only passive....as opposed to dust where it is both active and passive. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:29:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:I'm thinking this could mostly be a reference to orbital bombardment. It has been announced that those will have friendly fire effects. They will be able to be more precise though to compensate.
I don't mind friendly fire on orbitals but not regular combat |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.01.31 15:57:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:I'm just a bit worried because, as a DS pilot, everybody requests me picking them up by shooting at me.
What if they take out a door gunner? Or purposely kill the door gunner so they can take up the position. But that would never happen. 
nah, never |
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