DUST Search - Shoulder those Mass Drivers Noobs!! Friendly Fire coming soon!

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Needless Sacermendor wrote:

Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted !

When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills.

Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD

Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match.

Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly.

I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period

Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny.

Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening

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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2013.01.31 12:04:00 - [31] - Quote Here's how I think it should work: 1. Corp battles have full friendly fire with no built-in penalties beyond "you killed your corpmate, you idiot". The CEO and/or Directors may be able to set "sanctions" on TKers, so you get a certain amount of ISK deducted from your earnings and paid into the corp fund. Possibly also with an automatic reimbursement paid to the victim. 2. Pub matches should only apply friendly fire at a rate of 50% and only apply splash damage, not direct damage. Blasters would deal minimal damage (but still hurt), ARs and the like still do nothing to teammates, and grenades/MDs/Missiles etc. would be damaging, but not consistently lethal. Additionally, you should have -25 WP penalty for a FF Assist and -50 WP for FF Kill.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.01.31 12:41:00 - [32] - Quote Prepare Yourselves! for the incoming QQ from cod noobz who dont want to be responsible for where they shoot. this is great! FF should be on in all areas. Heavies and the MD just got a natural nerf \o/
Striosal Onslaught Inc 2	Posted - 2013.01.31 12:52:00 - [33] - Quote great i can already feel the HMGs shooting me in the back n the half berries running in front of me when shooting causing me to TK Q Q other than that its going to be cool to have.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.31 12:54:00 - [34] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: If friendly fire is coming to pubs then the only way it wouldn't completely break this game is if friendlies receive <50% damage and a vote to kick option or automatic kick at x amount of teamkills is added. Plenty of FPSs which have FF on at all times. That's they way it's supposed to be - I refuse to play FPSs that don't have FF, and the only reason I tolerate lack of FF in Dust is that they've promised it.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.31 12:56:00 - [35] - Quote I'd say no to VTK, but I'd be down with an auto kick after too many TK's. EDIT: I'd also be down with a vote to kick if you can only do so after a certain number of TK's
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:04:00 - [36] - Quote Oh great here it comes. Dumb tards going to abuse this like if there would be no tommorrow.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:10:00 - [37] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Oh great here it comes. Dumb tards going to abuse this like if there would be no tommorrow. Not an issue. VTK will be implemented in pubs I'm sure, and in corp matches TK is a valid tactic for spies.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:13:00 - [38] - Quote Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted ! When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:15:00 - [39] - Quote Friendly fire will be another top 5 bonehead additions to this game. I will NEVER attempt to hack an objective again. I can already see people shooting you in the back if you don't have any deaths or if you're wearing a proto suit just for trolling. In other games, it's ok if you die by friendly fire or trolls but in this game...you will lose your $200K suit. NOT COOL, CCP.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:16:00 - [40] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted ! When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD

Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 164	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:22:00 - [41] - Quote I vote for full friendly fire, but you loose 25 wp for assisting in killing a friendly (if you do more than 10% of the damage) and loose 50 wp for killing a friendly. You should also loose the same amount of skill points that you would have gained if you had done it to a hostile. If you get 5 friendly kills or 10 friendly kill assists then you should be booted from the match. I added the 10% buffer on friendly kill assists because stray bullets happen.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 164	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:26:00 - [42] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: In the other guy's post, he asked about equipment lost via friendly fire. Easy. Subtract the cost from the TK'ers wallet, plus a bunch extra as a penalty, and reimburse the person killed a percentage of it from said penalty. I like this suggestion. You break it you pay for it. [Edit: On the other hand griefers might start making really expansive fits and then running in front of heavies or jumping on grenades.]
birdog's duster Nevec Task Force Orbis Imperialis 13	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:26:00 - [43] - Quote Lavirac JR wrote: DEATH TO THE REDLINE SNIPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who's afwaid of the big bad sniper? The red lines will be removed soon enough anyway.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:26:00 - [44] - Quote I hope the trolls kill you supporters for full friendly fire the most
birdog's duster Nevec Task Force Orbis Imperialis 13	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:31:00 - [45] - Quote I am so glad I've been training my spy alt now. Friendly fire will be most welcome.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:32:00 - [46] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted ! When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 164	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:34:00 - [47] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: For team kiiling, there should be a voting kick system for this. If you're hacking something, your teammate will kill you for the points. Also, the team kill then revival for points. Hmmm how about you loose 50 wp for a friendly kill, but loose 100 points if you kill a friendly while they are in the process of hacking? Edit: Also vote kick systems are easily abused. Better an automatic kick after a set amount of friendly kills or kill assists. If a newb with a mass driver gets kicked due to incompetence instead of maliciousness, well it is automated and nothing personal.
Ziatan Yuri Ohr Ein Sof 5	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:34:00 - [48] - Quote This is awful. 90% of matches now will be you getting killed by your teammates. I love FF but 90% of players are to stupid not to kill their own teammates. It better set up a system where if you get killed by your own team mate it doesn't hurt you but hurts the person who did the killing.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:36:00 - [49] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: In the other guy's post, he asked about equipment lost via friendly fire. Easy. Subtract the cost from the TK'ers wallet, plus a bunch extra as a penalty, and reimburse the person killed a percentage of it from said penalty. I like this suggestion. You break it you pay for it. You really think that CCP is going to implement that? Listen....there is no increase in gameplay enjoyment by adding friendly fire. CCP needs to add the features that players have been promised....
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD Legacy Rising 115	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:38:00 - [50] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Umbat Boki wrote: That's why it isn't coming to random battles. It's for corps. There is already precedence for team killing to go to random battles for a game like this. World of Tanks handled it perfectly, and if they can do it, Dust can do it. Friendly fire would be a great addition to the game, CCP simply need to be wise in their FF punishment rules. In the other guy's post, he asked about equipment lost via friendly fire. Easy. Subtract the cost from the TK'ers wallet, plus a bunch extra as a penalty, and reimburse the person killed a percentage of it from said penalty. And the good news is that, were CCP to copy Wargaming's system from WoT, all the people above hoping they'll be able to TK friendlies will eventually get automatically banned for increasingly lengthy periods of time, culminating in a permanent ban from Dust. Friendly fire would be chlorine in the Dust genepool. This is CCP - the company which actively encourages grief play in Eve. There is no way they will have any penalties for FF kills.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:41:00 - [51] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted ! When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly. I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny. Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 164	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:45:00 - [52] - Quote It should be noted the EVE has friendly fire.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:46:00 - [53] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: It should be noted the EVE has friendly fire. So, what does that have to do with Dust 514?
Dusters Blog Bragian Order Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:47:00 - [54] - Quote very good news. we discussed this in our list of gameplay fixes: http://tinyurl.com/afykr2x this allows for high level gameplay, persistence and consequences but can easily fit into the lore. in templar one templar 3 lost it, got killed by templar one and then the amarrians disabled his clone reactivation. TK should obviously be penalized -50, -25 and an ISK penalty but should get a mulligan for the first time they kill someone. the 2nd time they kill that same person the victim should get a 'kick or forgive' choice that represents the contract holder possibly disabling their clone. [teamkill revives should not yield any SP/WP to prevent farming] More than 3 teamkills should turn the TKer red to both sides and autokick them after someone collects their bounty. would be really cool if it stayed true to the lore and gave a 'your clone has been disabled for being a danger to teammates' msg. along with the usual 'this will be noted in your permanent file'
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 164	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:49:00 - [55] - Quote Until I read this thread I just assumed that friendly fire was active. I never shot friendlies or ran across someoneGÇÖs line of fire to find out any different. And my own grenades seemed to kill me just fine.
Vaerana Myshtana ScIdama Endless Renaissance 202	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:51:00 - [56] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: If friendly fire is coming to pubs then the only way it wouldn't completely break this game is if friendlies receive <50% damage and a vote to kick option or automatic kick at x amount of teamkills is added. What about a WP penalty, so that it is actually possible to earn no SP if you do it a lot?
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:57:00 - [57] - Quote Friendly fire might be cool if done right, but for now i can see a ton of TK's for the sake of griefing, which is why i dont see this happening in pub matches more likely corp matches. But im not worried the guy who TK's me in my proto suit will get a mouthful of Flux/MD. After which ill place the defend order on them for the rest of the match, call out my tank and turn all my blasters their way. You've been WARNED!!!!!
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:58:00 - [58] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted ! When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly. I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny. Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening I definitely see it happening, but with this kind of community and the backstabbing nature of Eve, I srsly doubt we'll be able to hold it off for long. If it's a loosing fight, I'd rather levy a tax on it early than try to stave it off until the last breath. I agree with you wholeheartedly that FF in pub matches is a disastrous idea, but I just don't see any chance of winning that fight. In Dust terms, I look at it like I'm redlined in the last 3 minutes of a match. I may not win, but I'm gonna hurt you as much as I possibly fckng can in the process of losing. Fighting FF is like fighting to win in this scenario, almost impossible. But there are plenty of targets to hit if I'm just trying to do as much damage as I can. And hitting those targets basically equates to levying fines for TKing.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.01.31 14:29:00 - [59] - Quote There already is a negative WP penalty for team killing. I once locked onto an LAV with a Swarm Launcher as it was being hacked and somehow managed to blow it up, killing the blue hacker, after it had turned blue. I even got a message saying -50 points.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 164	Posted - 2013.01.31 14:33:00 - [60] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Deducting wp isnt the way to do it ... just directly deduct 10sp per 1 hp of team damage inflicted ! When you get down to zero available points you start losing levels of random skills. Trolls don't give a **** about points. Just omit friendly fire entirely...PERIOD Kind of suprised you feel that way Ydubbs, I kind of figured you'd be one of the one's fighting to implement TKing. No disrespect, just sayin'. I could go either way as long as it comes with consequences that make it very detrimental to you to TK. VTK after a certain number of TK's is good if they are immediately dropped from the match and loose all gains but keep all losses from the match. Say 3 TK's and your team can kick you, you loose all SP, ISK, WP & Kill stats you got that match, and loose all the gear you died in, keep the deaths you took, take an additional death when you are kicked, and the number of times you were kicked for TKing goes on your permanent character sheet record. I do believe that would cut down on griefers significantly. I, honestly can't fathom why someone would want to support friendly fire. There's no reason to do it. For what?...to kill redline snipers? To kill a bluedot who is horrible?? Blues will be blues, I've long stopped worrying about them. You have to rely on yourself or your squadmates..period Forget penalizing the trolls by removing wps or perentage of this or that. I DON'T want to lose ONE suit because some troll feels like killing me. Or, because I'm wearing a proto suit and they'll think that it'll be funny. Or, maybe they'll TK you because they feel that you're stealing all of their kills....you guys must see these things happening Because being able to shoot into a crowd of Red and Blue and not having to wary about whether I hit a comrade completely breaks the immersion for me. Guns are dangerous. Your skill with a gun should be as much about your ability to not hit your friends as it is about hitting your enemies.



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