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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:45:00 -
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Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed.
Hard.
Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.
Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514.
Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:47:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:48:00 -
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Not sure about damage nerf. But the others are needed. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:49:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything. |
Tamuramu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
15
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:50:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:52:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything.
really the breach didnt get nerfed to uselessness because people kept taking regular ar's (which were made to out range the breach fyi) to a cqc battle and losing to the gun made for cqc? tell me again how they DIDN'T get nerfed
you complain as if the laser rifle was the only thing to ever get nerfed that didnt need it it needs a nerf not one as hard as what youre saying but it definitley needs one. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:52:00 -
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Don't use lasers anymore, when AR with sharpshooter does everything better. And has CQC capabilities. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:53:00 -
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maybe they are finally trying to balance the game instead of keep imbalances in an FPS so they can actually get the members they are trying to shoot for not people who play it for a day or two and quit.
mass appeal just won't work if you have weapons that are the best at everything. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:53:00 -
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Tamuramu wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed. Sounds like someone doesn't know how to counter ****. I've never had a problem fighting LRs because I have brain cells |
James Blaise
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:55:00 -
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Lets nerf rocks!
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:58:00 -
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really? Good job morons for ruining the game for people who have a different playstyle. Well i mainly focused on tanks and when im done with that i look at getting my infantry skills up. Just like i did in the last build. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:58:00 -
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quite frankly i think theyre going to nerf everything because how can something be op if they all suck? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 -
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Soon to come- every weapon is now an assault rifle with a reskin. |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:00:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
LEAVE MY MASS DRIVER ALONE!!!!
LASERS OP LOL.. (JUST KIDDING) |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:06:00 -
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I really like the lasers, but end up using an AR most of the time. The situations where a laser rules the field are limited, and by the sounds of it, going to further limited soon.
May as well tell my guys to stick with the AR then. |
Hawkings Greenback
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Soon to come- every weapon is now an assault rifle with a reskin.
ahh the new bland rifle
Not seen many lazers recently. Guess I will see even less soon
Whats next . . . . Im gonna guess mass drivers |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:09:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything.
I see people beast with every weapon out there, don't give me that "AR is all that works" bs. AR's have taken a huge hit with the return of recoil, and the fact that everyone knew it was coming doesn't reduce the effectiveness hit they took when it happened. But they are 100% where they need to be right now. The reason more people get AR kills than with any other weapon is because more people gravitate towards it since it's a weapon they are familiar with. People have to learn the new weapons to do well with them, so those people running other weapons will have a harder time getting kills with them until they become as familiar with them as AR users are with the AR.
AR's were seriously OP with no recoil, as you notice people have a lot harder time killing with them now but they are still effective enough to be useful. Lasers are OP currently (any weapon that you can just heat up and whip across people a couple times for an insta-kill is OP, no matter the downsides, and yes, I have specced them and know the issues with them) but CCP is again coming in with a sledge-o-matic instead of a rubber mallet to deal with the issue. Blame that, not the fact that AR's are balanced and lasers are about to be UP.
Lastly, the AR is good at most ranges, but it is the master of none. Equal lvl SMG tops AR at close range, as does a shotgun. HMG tops an AR up to 55~65 meters. Mass driver tops AR's for dealing with entrenched enemies. Laser tops it at any range an AR can reach above the HMG range by a WIDE margin (this wide gap is about to be reduced apparently). Sniper is obviously a sniper rifle, above and beyond the AR range. Every weapon has it's purpose and it's intended range use, the AR is just the one that has slightly reduced effectiveness with the advantage of being the most versatile at different ranges. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
151
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:09:00 -
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They don't need a Nerf. Even though i hate it to the core, but i would say it needs a bit o tweaking. Not nerf. |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:11:00 -
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If their nerfing it its probably because the devs decided it was over powered, as I have learn from previous games whiners on the forums have little to do with updates. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:12:00 -
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Seriously? Lasers require some skill and practice to maximize their damage without overheating, and they give away your exact position to half the dang map.
Meanwhile, GEKs are responsible for upwards of 3/4 of my deaths. |
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Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:13:00 -
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Don't know why they would nerf it though, I tried it and hated the gun with a passion. To me it needs upped a bit. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
151
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:17:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Seriously? Lasers require some skill and practice to maximize their damage without overheating, and they give away your exact position to half the dang map.
Meanwhile, GEKs are responsible for upwards of 3/4 of my deaths.
Already nerfed. This is the Post Nerf version of GEK so no complains there. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
264
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:18:00 -
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I find this disappointing I used the LR and have a few points in it this build but I use it less because of its limits to where it is efective.
Well glad that duat is slowly going to bland shooter 514. At least all the skill hards are going to be able to say they are winning because of skill not because they got killed by unique interesting gear that out performs their AR where it is supposed to. |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:18:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Seriously? Lasers require some skill and practice to maximize their damage without overheating, and they give away your exact position to half the dang map.
Meanwhile, GEKs are responsible for upwards of 3/4 of my deaths. Agreed nerf GEK's before lasers.. come on CCP Stop listening to the whiney kids that have 300 EHP and don't understand how to play the game.
Also watch for fake threads, by players trying to get every weapon but their own NERFED.
CCP just stop, your drunk.. BAD CCP bad.. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:18:00 -
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Lasers, like any weapon, have to be learned. You can't just toy with it for a few days and know all it's secrets. You have to work at it like you did bak when you were first learning how to play a shooter. These weapons have a learning curve, and if you aren't willing to put in the work, you'll never master it.
Lasers DO give away your position, but to everyone more than 20 feet away, they try to avoid you every chance they get unless they notice you are shooting in a different direction. Using lasers is all about positioning yourself and making sure your squad is watching your flanks. |
Spaceman-Rob
Galactic Alliance 514
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:19:00 -
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I wouldn't say the lasers were op at all, hardly ever killed by them. I wouldn't use one because there like a big neon sign saying here I am come and kill me. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:22:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:I find this disappointing I used the LR and have a few points in it this build but I use it less because of its limits to where it is efective.
Well glad that duat is slowly going to bland shooter 514. At least all the skill hards are going to be able to say they are winning because of skill not because they got killed by unique interesting gear that out performs their AR where it is supposed to. Again, plenty of weapons top the AR in their own range. SMG, Shotgun, Mass Driver, HMG, Sniper, etc. Wsit to see what they do before you get all "they're ruining the game" on it. They've done this plenty over the last year, and the game is still moving forward. |
Vile Heathen
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
352
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:23:00 -
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I always get more kills with ARs than lasers, and I'm fairly good with both. I always get stuck with assists because blues with ARs usually get the kill points. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
264
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:26:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:I find this disappointing I used the LR and have a few points in it this build but I use it less because of its limits to where it is efective.
Well glad that duat is slowly going to bland shooter 514. At least all the skill hards are going to be able to say they are winning because of skill not because they got killed by unique interesting gear that out performs their AR where it is supposed to. Again, plenty of weapons top the AR in their own range. SMG, Shotgun, Mass Driver, HMG, Sniper, etc. Wsit to see what they do before you get all "they're ruining the game" on it. They've done this plenty over the last year, and the game is still moving forward.
Yes' true but those weapons specialise in those ranges.
The laser is supposed to beat the assault rifle at its optimal range. Which is supposed to be longer than the ARs.
The assault rifle should be good at all those ranges but not the best. Jack of all trades master of none and all that. |
Purple Lipton
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
33
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:27:00 -
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I hate lasers more than any other weapon, but i didnt think they were op. It has been the same people beasting with the lr, and that says more about the players skill w the weapon, than the weapon itself. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:28:00 -
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Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary. |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:32:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Oh THANK GOD i was worried that every ******* person wouldnt be using the AR so glad theres not going to be another good weapon to use. |
tharinkle
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:34:00 -
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I love the LR and carry it almost every match. Still, more than half my kills are with my SMG. If the nerf is as bad as it sounds, I guess I'll just join the AR horde. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:35:00 -
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Lasers were the only thing this Type-II heavy really feared....... |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:36:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary.
Unless it is intentional on CCPs part that ARs are overpowered at low levels and underpowered at proto, I'd say they're the ones with the balance problem, not every single other weapon. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
674
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 -
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Tamuramu wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed.
No bro what he's getting at is the fact we've been in this beta a long time (since 1st build) and we've been testing the a$$ off all the weapons etc and giving our contribution to the development, and then all the damn noobs join the closed beta moaning about the guns etc, so stuff gets nerfed. Then the flood gates open and the open beta people pile in and start moaning about weapons that have already been hit with the nerf bat, so they get hit again....and again.....and again. Then they go after weapons that they suck at using, such as the laser rifle. They can't get it into their thick heads that they're using militia dropsuits against a powerful laser rifle so they want the rifle nerfed. People are wrecking this gem of a game. And I for one am getting pissed off with that. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 -
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Purple Lipton wrote:I hate lasers more than any other weapon, but i didnt think they were op. It has been the same people beasting with the lr, and that says more about the players skill w the weapon, than the weapon itself.
Pew pew pew |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
Good, lasers are OP, they needed a nerf. |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
206
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:44:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary.
Tony, u definitely are the SI guy i respect the most. Good quality post on an issue that needs to be addressed (even though ave corp mates on other side); as u put tags aside and gave good info for the benefit to the community. +1 |
Kaserai Mandrag
DUST University Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:53:00 -
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Agreed. Im sorry OP. This is what happens when you get COD players. They like brainless games |
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The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:58:00 -
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lol funny thing is the cod players there catering for will be gone in a week max. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:06:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:
Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.
1) source?
2) I'm really not seeing anything like logic in this decision, a significant nerf in any ONE of the mentioned areas would make an already situational weapon near worthless like the Mass driver before it and the HMG before that. |
Kane Brackman
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:08:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:
Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.
1) source? 2) I'm really not seeing anything like logic in this decision, a significant nerf in any ONE of the mentioned areas would make an already situational weapon near worthless like the Mass driver before it and the HMG before that.
It needed a overheat tweak and the fact that they are reducing range makes it worthless now. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:10:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
If this is true then it sounds like the they are overnerfing when only a tweaking is needed. Just because you worried that CCP is going to nerf something too hard that doesnt mean that you should be against attempting to balance weapons. Laser are supposed to rip you up at range I agree. But the rediculous dmg they did without ever overheating needed some adjusting. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:22:00 -
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Whenever I shoot a lazer its like putting sirens on my head and big horns that say IM HERE SHOOT ME |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:23:00 -
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Ah hell - I'm just going to say SWEET since no name scrubs could pick this damn weapon up and pay massive damage to all for it's obvious need of a small tweak. HMG scrubs just get owned for not knowin' how to walk. Laser scrubs just keep distance and don't worry bout it all. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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Lasers are overpowered right now. The fact that players who aren't full of **** recognize that, and that CCP recognizes it as well, doesn't mean that the one followed the other. CCP doesn't need us to tell them things like lasers are broken, and the fact that people talked about them needing a nerf is coincidental to them getting a nerf. |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Ah hell - I'm just going to say SWEET since no name scrubs could pick this damn weapon up and pay massive damage to all for it's obvious need of a small tweak. HMG scrubs just get owned for not knowin' how to walk. Laser scrubs just keep distance and don't worry bout it all. sota pop your butt hurt because you got owned by impswarm move along. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
294
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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Death to LAZERs |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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I'd be cool with lowering the damage on the higher level lasers and maybe adjusting heat build up to kick in with 30 rounds or maybe a little more in the clip(instead of the current 20 with STD laser and lvl3 ops). But an across the board Nerf will kill it for the 2-3 months it takes CCP to bring it back into usability. |
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Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
133
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
LOL |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:28:00 -
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and the range reduction isn't a terrible thing. You can upgrade it like anything else - why should you get such a massive damaging weapon at tier 1 and think having no passives to support it makes it anything but just sorta good. It ruins the RPG side of the game if no passives = still a massive slayer weapon. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:29:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ah well. Here we go again.
"DUST 514! hailed far and wide as just another generic shooter, with lasers! Also EVE something something Orbital bombardment!" |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
200
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 21:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not sure about damage nerf. But the others are needed.
This is the first time i think i have disagreed with in a few months, LAR are fine. Break LOS, close range engage in CQC win. This is sad news. AR are still the most powerful weapon in the game based on adaptability.
I use AR on my Alt-> LAR are not an issue. I use a HMG on my main-> LAR is an issue but that is the roll it fills.
Sad day indeed... |
The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:37:00 -
[56] - Quote
SoTa PoP Clone wrote:And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers. lol still butthurt |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 21:39:00 -
[57] - Quote
The legend345 wrote:SoTa PoP Clone wrote:And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers. lol still butthurt Damn right I am. Not cheap being a heavy soloing. Try it sometime. You may find not being in a squad isn't as terrible as you think. You may even learn something of yourself you never knew existed ;)
And my honest opinion on lasers is it only needed a slight tweak like the HMG. This over-nerf is typical CCP over-kill. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:44:00 -
[58] - Quote
AR's are the cars of the world. Nobody notices when a car wreck kills someone, it's just a constant background noise.
Someone one gets eaten by a shark? Front page news!
An AR drops you ten times in one match? You shrug your shoulders and vow to improve your game.
A laser melts your face or a MD sends you flying once in a match? OMG! Did you see that noob with that OP PoS killing everyone?!?! Nerf Bat! Now! |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
95
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:46:00 -
[59] - Quote
I have not leveled anything past level one yet other than the AR because I figured this is what CCNerf would do. Damn shame to cuz I liked the laser. |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 21:46:00 -
[60] - Quote
BMSTUBBY wrote:I have not leveled anything past level one yet other than the AR because I figured this is what CCNerf would do. Damn shame to cuz I liked the laser. Same here man - I have nearly 500,000 SP saved up. Once next build comes a long it may be safe to pick a route without fear of CCP effin' it up. |
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Mr Turtlez
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
Most balanced gun in the game. Better nerf it. |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 21:58:00 -
[62] - Quote
I never complained about weapons but i know for a fact they better not mess with my mass driver |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
Nstomper wrote:I never complained about weapons but i know for a fact they better not mess with my mass driver
I gaurantee that it's next. Heck, it's almost as easy to kill people with as the AR is... and everyone knows we can't have that. |
Gunmouse
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
44
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:05:00 -
[64] - Quote
Funny how all these QQ'rs saying the laser is OP have 0 likes. It's all the shield tanking tryhards and the Heavy spray and pray noobs that want the nerf. |
Otto Golaso
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
18
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
Kaserai Mandrag wrote:Agreed. Im sorry OP. This is what happens when you get COD players. They like brainless games
because zombies ate the one they had!?! |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
Otto Golaso wrote:Kaserai Mandrag wrote:Agreed. Im sorry OP. This is what happens when you get COD players. They like brainless games because zombies ate the one they had!?! Wouldn't that mean they're zombies themselves? That would explain why they stand still and shoot. |
Otto Golaso
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
18
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Otto Golaso wrote:Kaserai Mandrag wrote:Agreed. Im sorry OP. This is what happens when you get COD players. They like brainless games because zombies ate the one they had!?! Wouldn't that mean they're zombies themselves? That would explain why they stand still and shoot.
I think I will start thinking of blueberries as zombies, now. it would splain a lot.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:31:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tony Calif wrote:Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary.
extra clip size is good reduce splash SLIGHTLY
EDIT: loldust |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
215
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:34:00 -
[69] - Quote
SoTa PoP Clone wrote:And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers.
HTFU, MD SPAM Isn't skillful. Gee nobody told me when took out sica, lavs and ENTIRE SQUADS with my MD with SQUISHY LOGISUIT!!! Then i took a break from curb stombing fools, performed the 3R's dishing out reps and resupply like your favorite neighborhood drug dealer, then went back to stomping like it was a seamless uniform motion. It really is poetry in motion my gameplay.
Lulz you think the only measure of skill is gungame, sorry i play chess and for me its all about the tactical don't be mad IMPSwarm is full of Sun Tzu disciples and you just a grunt.
When we up in da Barge, All Eyez on us, all eyez on usGǪGǪ You are now now rockin with I M Perfects and IMPSwarm b itch!! |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:37:00 -
[70] - Quote
Gunner Nightingale wrote:SoTa PoP Clone wrote:And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers. HTFU, MD SPAM Isn't skillful. Gee nobody told me when took out sica, lavs and ENTIRE SQUADS with my MD with SQUISHY LOGISUIT!!! Then i took a break from curb stombing fools, performed the 3R's dishing out reps and resupply like your favorite neighborhood drug dealer, then went back to stomping like it was a seamless uniform motion. It really is poetry in motion my gameplay. Lulz you think the only measure of skill is gungame, sorry i play chess and for me its all about the tactical don't be mad IMPSwarm is full of Sun Tzu disciples and you just a grunt. Glad you posted because you're one of the few impswarms worth remembering. Try to get into the imperfects sometime soon, mmk? |
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Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:38:00 -
[71] - Quote
I really hope they don't Nerf the LR and not because I use it, it's because I hate it!!!!! It's the only weapon other than a Duvolle that can kitten slap me when I'm in the middle of a HMG/Heavy murderthon. I hate it when I see the Green beam of death swing my way from some high up place my HMG can only dream of reaching and I just cannot stand the kitten thing!!! But it's what the game is all about, IMHO the laser fills a great niche and I have been through so many Nerfs that I am sick of it, Missles, HMG, grenades, heavy armour and scout speed far to many. The game is fairly well balanced right now and there doesn't appear to be anything such as a tweak, so let's just get on with it.
Rant over regards
Snag |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
215
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:44:00 -
[72] - Quote
SoTa PoP Clone wrote:[
Glad you posted because you're one of the few impswarms worth remembering. Try to get into the imperfects sometime soon, mmk?
Why would i want Imperfect tags. I ALREADY AM AN IMP. IMPSwarm is going viral soon baby, to a district near you.
But by all means dismiss and underestimate us we love reveling in our Bad New Bears reputation. Can't wait for news to spread im like a caged dog and my IMP masters are just slapping me around to turn me even more rabid and soon i will hear those glorious words
UNLEASH THE KRAKEN.
oh and thanks for the compliment.(no no must not be nice, bad imp bad imp)
When we up in da Barge, All Eyez on us, all eyez on usGǪGǪ You are now now rockin with I M Perfects and IMPSwarm b itch!!
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mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
425
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:45:00 -
[73] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
Not sure why you're surprised. CCP doesn't understanding "tweaking".... they only know "HULK SMAAASHHH!!!!!"
TBH, lasers need a slightly faster overheat (given that they are UBER powerful once heated up)... but that is prob all that they needed. |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:46:00 -
[74] - Quote
Gunner Nightingale wrote:SoTa PoP Clone wrote:[
Glad you posted because you're one of the few impswarms worth remembering. Try to get into the imperfects sometime soon, mmk? Why would i want Imperfect tags. I ALREADY AM AN IMP. IMPSwarm is going viral soon baby, to a district near you. But by all means dismiss and underestimate us we love reveling in our Bad New Bears reputation. Can't wait for news to spread im like a caged dog and my IMP masters are just slapping me around to turn me even more rabid and soon i will hear those glorious words UNLEASH THE KRAKEN. oh and thanks for the compliment.(no no must not be nice, bad imp bad imp)
When we up in da Barge, All Eyez on us, all eyez on usGǪGǪ You are now now rockin with I M Perfects and IMPSwarm b itch!! haha - good thing I already figured out how to take care of MD's. Turns out they don't like nades much.
Still figuring out the counter to lasers though Tac rifles blow :( |
Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
A good counter for LR dudes is a red lined sniper on comms, they laser acts like a reverse tracer. I can't remember who said it but a dude I met once said "So he's got more range and power? Well you'd better get a buddy with more range and power than he has"
Snag |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:51:00 -
[76] - Quote
Snagman 313 wrote:A good counter for LR dudes is a red lined sniper on comms, they laser acts like a reverse tracer. I can't remember who said it but a dude I met once said "So he's got more range and power? Well you'd better get a buddy with more range and power than he has"
Snag Problem with this is snipers go down in a blink of an eye to lasers. They need to get some good good distance if they don't want to end up a pile of goo. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:52:00 -
[77] - Quote
Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Tamuramu wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed. Sounds like someone doesn't know how to counter ****. I've never had a problem fighting LRs because I have brain cells yea unfortunately CCP is now taking the cater to noobs and morons approach.. F it they win. i just hope CCP can hurry up and get the rest of the nerfs done and over with and not string us out over years of nerfing the next FOTM weapon which will popup that someone cried about, i hate having to relearn a game every 2 months
can you fkn hurry up and nerf everything, CCP? or are you going to string us along a slow diet of nerfs like they do in BF3? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:54:00 -
[78] - Quote
Never mind. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 22:55:00 -
[79] - Quote
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53357&find=unread
this is the link to thread regarding ccps constant nerfing again please show your support so we can get something right happening over the new berries because there's one asking for an orbital as a kill streak in the request section |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 23:03:00 -
[80] - Quote
I was fighting a heavy HMG with a LR over my lunch break today, and because I wasn't using the weapon to its full potential, we fought to a complete stalemate, even though I had an elevated, unflankable position. (Not that any of that match's extra derpy blueberries were going to be flanking him for me any time soon.)
Basically we would both pop out of cover and hammer each other until our shields were down and then retreat. I tried leaving the laser firing at his cover, but he could see it and obviously wasn't stupid enough to walk right into the beam. If I had been smart, I would have fired it up and off to the side until he showed his face and then swung it back down, hopefully for a second of max damage and victory.
Honestly, I think it's one of the most balanced weapons in the game. Powerful when used smartly, so-so when wielded by the thick. |
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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 23:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. LEAVE MY MASS DRIVER ALONE!!!! " LASERS OP LOL.. (JUST KIDDING) it's coming bro sadly MD will be next. once they make the final pass on the last weapon that hasnt been nerfed, they will restart from the beginning again, another second "rebalancing" of weapons, since the first pass failed, they will begin a second pass of nerfs starting all the way back again at the AR, and will nerf from there, even tho they've all already been nerfed- theres always so non gaming guy in a suit somewhere in a board room saying ignoring the harder core gamers because there just some supposed niche` while bending over backwards to bring in a "new(b) audience" by trying to make games that appeal to people who never were gamers in the first place.
this has nothing to do at all with gaming, nerfing stuff is a corporate marketing plan, they think that by "listening" to the commuinty aka QQing noobs on their forums that they will sell more games/aurum because they "listen" to their community.
example: scrub cries on forums, scrub gets his nerf, scrub goes out and tells he's little noob buddies what a great company they are because they listened to him cry and he personally had an effect "designing" the game, his noobs that sucked at gaming in the first place all feel empowered despite they spend more time on the forums than in game so they go on a crusade to have it all nerfed, then the guy in a suit says at the CCP boardroom meeting- "look at all the new potential customers i just pulled by that one nerf"
/end rant |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:07:00 -
[82] - Quote
FFS with the way the nerf bat is swinging, I'm going back to obscure modded PC FPSs where people don't QQ about BS and understand that not every gun needs to be equivalent to an AR. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:08:00 -
[83] - Quote
what ever happened to
HARDEN THE F*CK UP |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 23:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Never mind. I regret not quoting you when you called the impswarms party fillers :)
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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 23:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Never mind. I regret not quoting you when you called the impswarms party fillers :) Thought I was being a bit too harsh lol. Now I only feel pity. |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 23:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Never mind. I regret not quoting you when you called the impswarms party fillers :) Thought I was being a bit too harsh lol. Now I only feel pity. lol they called me out for QQing bout them when I never even mentioned them. Guess my HMG caused some QQ in some so they brought out the lazerz and MD's and thought I was talkin' bout them. I don't even notice impswarm scrubs unless they're the only squad in game. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:23:00 -
[87] - Quote
BMSTUBBY wrote:I have not leveled anything past level one yet other than the AR because I figured this is what CCNerf would do. Damn shame to cuz I liked the laser.
Yeah, the nerf usually seems very heavy handed. Instead of changing one thing about the way a weapon works they will change three things.
It is almost as if someone were to say, "The music is a little loud."
The dial is turned all the way down. "Better?"
Next build the dial may be turned up slightly. It is that initial blow that sometimes makes you feel like they are hammering the balance into place with a pile driver rather than dialing in the adjustments.
I still feel a lot of things that were interesting and challenging have been toned down to the point of becoming somewhat insipid. Nerf often equates to making something closer to useless instead of just slightly less powerful. As if the cry for nerf! were being taken literally. Sometimes it seems like DUST is trying too hard to please everyone.
Sometimes it seems like there is a secret plan and things are on the horizon that will change everything.
Sometimes it seems like the secret plan is "Ha secret plan for DUST 514? Some grand idea? A really refined and clear vision of what this game will be? Heck, we have no clue! What do you guys think we should do?" |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 23:35:00 -
[88] - Quote
SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Never mind. I regret not quoting you when you called the impswarms party fillers :) Thought I was being a bit too harsh lol. Now I only feel pity. lol they called me out for QQing bout them when I never even mentioned them. Guess my HMG caused some QQ in some so they brought out the lazerz and MD's and thought I was talkin' bout them. I don't even notice impswarm scrubs unless they're the only squad in game. Bro, you're way out of line. Chill out :P Damn clones and starting drama with scrubs. :) |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
233
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:55:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sobriety Denied wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. LEAVE MY MASS DRIVER ALONE!!!! " LASERS OP LOL.. (JUST KIDDING) it's coming bro sadly MD will be next. once they make the final pass on the last weapon that hasnt been nerfed, they will restart from the beginning again, another second "rebalancing" of weapons, since the first pass failed, they will begin a second pass of nerfs starting all the way back again at the AR, and will nerf from there, even tho they've all already been nerfed- theres always so non gaming guy in a suit somewhere in a board room saying ignoring the harder core gamers because there just some supposed niche` while bending over backwards to bring in a "new(b) audience" by trying to make games that appeal to people who never were gamers in the first place. this has nothing to do at all with gaming, nerfing stuff is a corporate marketing plan, they think that by "listening" to the commuinty aka QQing noobs on their forums that they will sell more games/aurum because they "listen" to their community. example: scrub cries on forums, scrub gets his nerf, scrub goes out and tells he's little noob buddies what a great company they are because they listened to him cry and he personally had an effect "designing" the game, his noobs that sucked at gaming in the first place all feel empowered despite they spend more time on the forums than in game so they go on a crusade to have it all nerfed, then the guy in a suit says at the CCP boardroom meeting- "look at all the new potential customers i just pulled by that one nerf" /end rant
LOL, send me an in game email and ill let you in on a little joke.
BTW this post, 100% accurate. Been there and seen this before in every MMO made. +1 to you sir |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:02:00 -
[90] - Quote
Tony Calif wrote:. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
.
Laser still don't do anything significant vs vehicles. Their damage scale is infantry scale, albeit very high on LR optimal. (viziam with 2x damamod)
I don't know where this rumor started nor why it is so persistent. |
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SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:04:00 -
[91] - Quote
KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Tony Calif wrote:. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
. Laser still don't do anything significant vs vehicles. Their damage scale is infantry scale, albeit very high on LR optimal. (viziam with 2x damamod) I don't know where this rumor started nor why it is so persistent. I've seen it happen? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:06:00 -
[92] - Quote
KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Tony Calif wrote:. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
. Laser still don't do anything significant vs vehicles. Their damage scale is infantry scale, albeit very high on LR optimal. (viziam with 2x damamod) I don't know where this rumor started nor why it is so persistent.
It's some scrubs having their onikuma shields ripped off who started whining. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion
30
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:16:00 -
[93] - Quote
Surprised at the reaction. How about we see how much/what they change first?
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Entrei Blackstorm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
49
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:48:00 -
[94] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
Wow, that sucks. I hate laser rifles but enjoy the challenge they provide. I'm fine with the way they are...despite them melting my face more times than not. |
Ghural
The Southern Legion
63
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:10:00 -
[95] - Quote
This is why I won't be increasing any weapon specific skills past level 1 until open beta is finished.
I like lasers as they are. |
Barnabas Wrex
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
148
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:17:00 -
[96] - Quote
There is a reason why CCP has allowed us to play in the BETA. They want to fine tune the game.... Why is this so difficult to understand? They will nerf it, than maybe put it back, than maybe change something else. Get over it, they're trying to make this game perfect for you.
It's not like there's some guy in an office twirling his mustache and saying "I'm going to make this gun stupid, and then people will be maaaaaaaaaad!!!! Muahahahahaha!!!!" |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:20:00 -
[97] - Quote
I play a heavy with a laser rifle. I do quite well but if someone gets close I'm screwed. I have a scabaler pistol for such an occasion but that's not much insurance.
The laser Only works from a fair distance, gives away exactly where I am and theres always a high chance while I'm standing still picking at targets that a sniper goes. "That's right fatty, stay still shooting.... bye bye."
I think it may need adjustments but not a hard nerf. Its very easy to counter. |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
107
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:41:00 -
[98] - Quote
You can nerf all of our weapons, CCP, but you can NEVER TAKE OUR ROCKS AND STICKS AWAY FROM US! *bonk* Ouch! |
Entrei Blackstorm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
49
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:50:00 -
[99] - Quote
Lord Crases wrote:I play a heavy with a laser rifle. I do quite well but if someone gets close I'm screwed. I have a scabaler pistol for such an occasion but that's not much insurance.
The laser Only works from a fair distance, gives away exactly where I am and theres always a high chance while I'm standing still picking at targets that a sniper goes. "That's right fatty, stay still shooting.... bye bye."
I think it may need adjustments but not a hard nerf. Its very easy to counter.
I don't use a laser but love the challenge of trying to find a way to close the distance and smack ya laser users ;) |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:19:00 -
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anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time. |
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Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time.
Your not supposed to be able to deal with a laser at that range. Your bullet spread is to great from that far. Just get in close by circling around. You'll kill me.
Edit: also if many of you don't know lasers deal EM damage which shield tanks are very weak too. If you standard assult it will melt you quickly. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:25:00 -
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Lord Crases wrote:King Kobrah wrote:anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time. Your not supposed to be able to deal with a laser at that range. Your bullet spread is to great from that far. Just get in close by circling around. You'll kill me. considering i was using a tactical assault rifle with a complex damage modifier, yes, i should be able to kill someone from that range fairy effectively. if at any time you get stuck in an area with little cover and nowhere to run once you duck back, it's pretty much over..with other weapons i still have a fighting chance. maybe adding some sort of recoil would help balance things out. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:34:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Lord Crases wrote:King Kobrah wrote:anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time. Your not supposed to be able to deal with a laser at that range. Your bullet spread is to great from that far. Just get in close by circling around. You'll kill me. considering i was using a tactical assault rifle with a complex damage modifier, yes, i should be able to kill someone from that range fairy effectively. if at any time you get stuck in an area with little cover and nowhere to run once you duck back, it's pretty much over..with other weapons i still have a fighting chance. maybe adding some sort of recoil would help balance things out.
what if it was a sniper and they had the ability to one shot one in less time. Would you have felt better if you only got them to half health before they blew you head off? |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:37:00 -
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Lord Crases wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Lord Crases wrote:King Kobrah wrote:anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time. Your not supposed to be able to deal with a laser at that range. Your bullet spread is to great from that far. Just get in close by circling around. You'll kill me. considering i was using a tactical assault rifle with a complex damage modifier, yes, i should be able to kill someone from that range fairy effectively. if at any time you get stuck in an area with little cover and nowhere to run once you duck back, it's pretty much over..with other weapons i still have a fighting chance. maybe adding some sort of recoil would help balance things out. what if it was a sniper and they had the ability to one shot one in less time. Would you have felt better if you only got them to half health before they blew you head off? if it were a sniper rifle, i would be perfectly okay with that. he can only fire one shot at a time, and he made it count, he earned his kill. laser rifles can just sit there, wait, hold down R1 when your elbow pops out from around cover, and the next thing you know 90% of your shields and armor just melted.
i honestly think adding in some kind of recoil may be the best option here, if it's more difficult to line up the shot and hold it on your target, it has every right to do high damage. |
Walker Burcham
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:39:00 -
[105] - Quote
CCP needs to release a Dust version of HTFU, not swing the nerf bat every time some petulant children ***** at them to. |
Mitsuko'Souma
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:39:00 -
[106] - Quote
I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:43:00 -
[107] - Quote
Mitsuko'Souma wrote:I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol.
I remember you and that was me. I was using the level one laser rifle. If you wanted to kill me why didn't you just communicate with your squad to sneak up on me and you just taking pot shots to draw my attention to you.
Tactics! |
Vance Alken
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
94
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
I wonder when CCP will finally realize that your average DUST player has even less of a clue about the game, much less how to balance it, than your average Eve player...
(hopefully it isn't too late already) |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:46:00 -
[109] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:
i honestly think adding in some kind of recoil may be the best option here, if it's more difficult to line up the shot and hold it on your target, it has every right to do high damage.
I know a lot of folks don't care for reality, but you do recognize the absurdity of a light beam inducing recoil, don't you?
That's kind of what makes the laser rifle a distinct weapon rather than just another skin on the AR. |
Mitsuko'Souma
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:47:00 -
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Lord Crases wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol. I remember you and that was me. I was using the level one laser rifle. If you wanted to kill me why didn't you just communicate with your squad to sneak up on me and you just taking pot shots to draw my attention to you. Tactics!
No, it wasn't you. Lol are you really conceited enough to think that you are the only person who laser snipes? In the short time I played this game, I saw it quite often. And no, it wasn't level 1 laser. It tells you what gun you get killed by, I looked it up in the store, and it was the highest cost laser, like 80k-90k each. |
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Vance Alken
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
94
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:49:00 -
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Skihids wrote:King Kobrah wrote:
i honestly think adding in some kind of recoil may be the best option here, if it's more difficult to line up the shot and hold it on your target, it has every right to do high damage.
I know a lot of folks don't care for reality, but you do recognize the absurdity of a light beam inducing recoil, don't you? That's kind of what makes the laser rifle a distinct weapon rather than just another skin on the AR.
But the only way to make a balanced game is to make everything like an AR, just look at CoD!
(asymmetric balance? what's that?) |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:55:00 -
[112] - Quote
Mitsuko'Souma wrote:Lord Crases wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol. I remember you and that was me. I was using the level one laser rifle. If you wanted to kill me why didn't you just communicate with your squad to sneak up on me and you just taking pot shots to draw my attention to you. Tactics! No, it wasn't you. Lol are you really conceited enough to think that you are the only person who laser snipes? In the short time I played this game, I saw it quite often. And no, it wasn't level 1 laser. It tells you what gun you get killed by, I looked it up in the store, and it was the highest cost laser, like 80k-90k each.
Lets say for arguments sake your right about who it was. Frankly it doesn't matter but I do remember at one point killing you in the matter mentioned. If I was so 'conceited' I wouldn't tell you how you can kill me which brings me to the point you didn't address how you could deal with me.
How is this any differant then dealing with a tank or a sniper or a heavy with a HMG or a dropship?
It all comes down to tactics and working as a team. If you have something you can't deal with you turn to your team mates and talk to them about options.
Not throw a hissy fit or shrug/give up and rant on the forums.
If you have that kind of mentality no one will play with you for being a quitter.
does the laser rifle need a tweak? absolutely, but so does everything in a mmo at some point.
I don't think It needs a massive nerf however. I think it fills an interesting nich in the EvE universe and brings some of the racial flavor from the Amarr to the dust players. |
Mitsuko'Souma
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:59:00 -
[113] - Quote
Lord Crases wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:Lord Crases wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol. I remember you and that was me. I was using the level one laser rifle. If you wanted to kill me why didn't you just communicate with your squad to sneak up on me and you just taking pot shots to draw my attention to you. Tactics! No, it wasn't you. Lol are you really conceited enough to think that you are the only person who laser snipes? In the short time I played this game, I saw it quite often. And no, it wasn't level 1 laser. It tells you what gun you get killed by, I looked it up in the store, and it was the highest cost laser, like 80k-90k each. Lets say for arguments sake your right about who it was. Frankly it doesn't matter but I do remember at one point killing you in the matter mentioned. If I was so 'conceited' I wouldn't tell you how you can kill me which brings me to the point you didn't address how you could deal with me. How is this any differant then dealing with a tank or a sniper or a heavy with a HMG or a dropship? It all comes down to tactics and working as a team. If you have something you can't deal with you turn to your team mates and talk to them about options. Not throw a hissy fit or shrug/give up and rant on the forums. If you have that kind of mentality no one will play with you for being a quitter. does the laser rifle need a tweak? absolutely, but so does everything in a mmo at some point. I don't think It needs a massive nerf however. I think it fills an interesting nich in the EvE universe and brings some of the racial flavor from the Amarr to the dust players.
Lol you "remember" killing me in the manner mentioned, yet I only played like 2 battles w/ this character and wasn't even fighting because I was just screwing around trying to figure out to drive those piece of shyt warthogs. The person that was laser sniping me was against my first character, which had a completely different name, and I deleted. Nice memory you have there buddy |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
79
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:00:00 -
[114] - Quote
lazorz needed a small nerf due to the insta beam of death always hovering over our heads.... I think a reduction on the damage it does when fully heated up and reduce it's damage to armor even more would be better then an all around nerf to make it still powerful but not an insta beam of death. just my opinion from being killed by them often enough.... my type 1 heavy from last build died in 2 sec from a fully heated one even an HMG takes longer to do that much damage.
ah well maybe CCP has learned from the nerf nukes from the past and will only make it a small missile turret worth of a nerf(pre-nerf strength) |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:01:00 -
[115] - Quote
Mitsuko'Souma wrote:Lol you "remember" killing me in the manner mentioned, yet I only played like 2 battles w/ this character and wasn't even fighting because I was just screwing around trying to figure out to drive those piece of shyt warthogs. The person that was laser sniping me was against my first character, which had a completely different name, and I deleted. Nice memory you have there buddy
Still didn't address my point regardless how right you are about me not killing you. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:25:00 -
[116] - Quote
Vance Alken wrote:Skihids wrote:King Kobrah wrote:
i honestly think adding in some kind of recoil may be the best option here, if it's more difficult to line up the shot and hold it on your target, it has every right to do high damage.
I know a lot of folks don't care for reality, but you do recognize the absurdity of a light beam inducing recoil, don't you? That's kind of what makes the laser rifle a distinct weapon rather than just another skin on the AR. But the only way to make a balanced game is to make everything like an AR, just look at CoD! (asymmetric balance? what's that?) because a recoil-less weapon that does high, steady damage from long range is a great idea in a FPS, right? pretty obvious there needed to be an adjustment, and one will rightfully be made. how bad they nerf it is really the question here. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:48:00 -
[117] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:because a recoil-less weapon that does high, steady damage from long range is a great idea in a FPS, right? It is when the weapon is easily countered by a Sniper Rifle at even longer range than its "high damage" can be used, or by any other weapon if you simply do the same thing as you do against snipers and GET IN CLOSE where the damage is massively reduced. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:because a recoil-less weapon that does high, steady damage from long range is a great idea in a FPS, right? It is when the weapon is easily countered by a Sniper Rifle at even longer range than its "high damage" can be used, or by any other weapon if you simply do the same thing as you do against snipers and GET IN CLOSE where the damage is massively reduced. ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:55:00 -
[119] - Quote
yes, lasers are so OP I was able to accurately keep two absolute newberries from getting barbecued with two seconds of "Do this when lasers are in play" over comms.
Newberries killed laser. I LOL'd.
lasers are OP my ass. Tweaks maybe, nerf, NO!
They are useless at point blank and now they're gonna be generic weapon with a different graphic #3.
Thanks for that. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
187
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:56:00 -
[120] - Quote
So lazors get nerfed, followed by 6 pages of tears. Classy Thanks for the river of tears. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:00:00 -
[121] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate.
Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC.
If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate. Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC. If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. i've taken down both HMGs and shotguns at close range with a tactical assault rifle, but if i go up against someone even half decent with a LR anywhere close to mid range, it's already over. it dominates it's range TOO HARD and makes it almost impossible for any other weapon to compete. regardless if it's garbage up close, it's still way too OP at medium range compared to all other weapons at their respective ranges. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:10:00 -
[123] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate. Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC. If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. i've taken down both HMGs and shotguns at close range with a tactical assault rifle, but if i go up against someone even half decent with a LR anywhere close to mid range, it's already over. it dominates it's range TOO HARD and makes it almost impossible for any other weapon to compete. regardless if it's garbage up close, it's still way too OP at medium range compared to all other weapons at their respective ranges.
midrange is the only range where it's worth anything whatsoever. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:12:00 -
[124] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate. Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC. If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. i've taken down both HMGs and shotguns at close range with a tactical assault rifle, but if i go up against someone even half decent with a LR anywhere close to mid range, it's already over. it dominates it's range TOO HARD and makes it almost impossible for any other weapon to compete. regardless if it's garbage up close, it's still way too OP at medium range compared to all other weapons at their respective ranges. midrange is the only range where it's worth anything whatsoever. in my experience it's pretty effective into the longer ranges as well. regardless, it dominates mid range too hard, other weapons should at least have something of a chance in an open firefight. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:15:00 -
[125] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate. Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC. If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. i've taken down both HMGs and shotguns at close range with a tactical assault rifle, but if i go up against someone even half decent with a LR anywhere close to mid range, it's already over. it dominates it's range TOO HARD and makes it almost impossible for any other weapon to compete. regardless if it's garbage up close, it's still way too OP at medium range compared to all other weapons at their respective ranges. I've dominated Laser Rifle users at the closer end of mid-range with a Toxin and Level 3 SMG Ops.
Doesn't prove that they're underpowered any more than your examples of getting dominated prove they're OP. You're bad at countering them for some reason. I don't know what that reason is, but apparently you suck at fighting against Laser Rifles.
What Tactical AR have you been using? What Laser Rifle was the opponent using? What applicable skills did each of you have equipped? What suits were each you you using?
The weapon is rarely the only factor involved. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:18:00 -
[126] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote: in my experience it's pretty effective into the longer ranges as well. regardless, it dominates mid range too hard, other weapons should at least have something of a chance in an open firefight.
Me vs laser = coin toss.
You haven't had fun until that fatsuit you almost killed sneaks up behind you (because you weren't paying attention to the twinkie-eating fat kid that always shows on radar) and ventilates you with an HMG, or more obnoxiously, a forge gun from five feet away. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:20:00 -
[127] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate. Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC. If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. i've taken down both HMGs and shotguns at close range with a tactical assault rifle, but if i go up against someone even half decent with a LR anywhere close to mid range, it's already over. it dominates it's range TOO HARD and makes it almost impossible for any other weapon to compete. regardless if it's garbage up close, it's still way too OP at medium range compared to all other weapons at their respective ranges. I've dominated Laser Rifle users at the closer end of mid-range with a Toxin and Level 3 SMG Ops. Doesn't prove that they're underpowered any more than your examples of getting dominated prove they're OP. You're bad at countering them for some reason. I don't know what that reason is, but apparently you suck at fighting against Laser Rifles. What Tactical AR have you been using? What Laser Rifle was the opponent using? What applicable skills did each of you have equipped? What suits were each you you using? The weapon is rarely the only factor involved. Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:21:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote: in my experience it's pretty effective into the longer ranges as well. regardless, it dominates mid range too hard, other weapons should at least have something of a chance in an open firefight.
Me vs laser = coin toss. You haven't had fun until that fatsuit you almost killed sneaks up behind you (because you weren't paying attention to the twinkie-eating fat kid that always shows on radar) and ventilates you with an HMG, or more obnoxiously, a forge gun from five feet away. maybe i'm just really unlucky running into super high skilled LR users? i don't even remember them being much of an issue in the closed beta. still seems like they do a disproportionate amount of damage at their range compared to all other weapons. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:22:00 -
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Anyone remember the Creo Dron AR |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:24:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote: in my experience it's pretty effective into the longer ranges as well. regardless, it dominates mid range too hard, other weapons should at least have something of a chance in an open firefight.
Me vs laser = coin toss. You haven't had fun until that fatsuit you almost killed sneaks up behind you (because you weren't paying attention to the twinkie-eating fat kid that always shows on radar) and ventilates you with an HMG, or more obnoxiously, a forge gun from five feet away. maybe i'm just really unlucky running into super high skilled LR users? i don't even remember them being much of an issue in the closed beta. still seems like they do a disproportionate amount of damage at their range compared to all other weapons.
you respond to lasers by getting behind cover, and maneuvering to get close. Inside 20 meters a laser's damage is the rough equivalent of a five year old attacking you with a damp sock.
unless you're a scout, because your defenses are pathetic. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:29:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Lasers also have MASSIVELY reduced damage when they first start firing. They only pick up real damage after heating up for a few seconds. You can kill them before they're doing real damage if they aren't coming straight out of firing at someone else.
Also, you're basically saying that a weapon which could conceivably have been as high as Proto level stripped your shields when it's stronger against shields than armour, while you stayed in that weapons optimum range instead of trying to get closer to negate their range advantage. He didn't kill you, because you got away without letting him get the kill, and you were too scared to try again. Is that about the situation? Because that's not an example of a weapon being OP. It's an example of a good player getting away from another good player who's in an advantageous position and still didn't manage to get their kill. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:29:00 -
[132] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote: in my experience it's pretty effective into the longer ranges as well. regardless, it dominates mid range too hard, other weapons should at least have something of a chance in an open firefight.
Me vs laser = coin toss. You haven't had fun until that fatsuit you almost killed sneaks up behind you (because you weren't paying attention to the twinkie-eating fat kid that always shows on radar) and ventilates you with an HMG, or more obnoxiously, a forge gun from five feet away. maybe i'm just really unlucky running into super high skilled LR users? i don't even remember them being much of an issue in the closed beta. still seems like they do a disproportionate amount of damage at their range compared to all other weapons. you respond to lasers by getting behind cover, and maneuvering to get close. Inside 20 meters a laser's damage is the rough equivalent of a five year old attacking you with a damp sock. unless you're a scout, because your defenses are pathetic. it's much more difficult to get close to someone who knows you're already there. if there's a good bit of open space between the both of you, there's pretty much 0 chance you're killing that LR, unless you plan on going around the entire map, in which case you'll probably get blown up or shot up with something else, or that LR is long gone. i'm sure this is all easily accounted for with a cohesive team and cover fire, but i've been rolling solo the entire time. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:31:00 -
[133] - Quote
This is a good thing, let's hope they don't hurt it too hard. If you can't admit that lasers are way too good with descent aim, then I'm not quite sure what to tell you. I'm just hoping the HMG gets tuned back as well.
Very happy to hear this, keep up the good work CCP. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:31:00 -
[134] - Quote
Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Lasers also have MASSIVELY reduced damage when they first start firing. They only pick up real damage after heating up for a few seconds. You can kill them before they're doing real damage if they aren't coming straight out of firing at someone else. Yeah, but all it takes is that couple of seconds to cut someone in half. LRs kill me faster at long range than HMGs do at close range, it's just too much IMO, not to mention how they can rip the shields off vehicles. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:33:00 -
[135] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote: it's much more difficult to get close to someone who knows you're already there. if there's a good bit of open space between the both of you, there's pretty much 0 chance you're killing that LR, unless you plan on going around the entire map, in which case you'll probably get blown up or shot up with something else, or that LR is long gone. i'm sure this is all easily accounted for with a cohesive team and cover fire, but i've been rolling solo the entire time.
this is your first mistake. Seriously. get into a squad and stick together.
Solo players are dogmeat against anything resembling a coordinated counterattack.
Lasers can only hit one person at a time. Even an AR can hit multiple people spooning together. Think about it. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:36:00 -
[136] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Lasers also have MASSIVELY reduced damage when they first start firing. They only pick up real damage after heating up for a few seconds. You can kill them before they're doing real damage if they aren't coming straight out of firing at someone else. Yeah, but all it takes is that couple of seconds to cut someone in half. LRs kill me faster at long range than HMGs do at close range, it's just too much IMO, not to mention how they can rip the shields off vehicles. A couple of seconds is longer than it takes for a good AR user in the closer edges of mid-range, and longer than a Sniper Rifle takes at longer range than the Laser, and longer than my Shotgun takes even against some Heavies in CQC range.
Also, check my edit. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:36:00 -
[137] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote: Yeah, but all it takes is that couple of seconds to cut someone in half. LRs kill me faster at long range than HMGs do at close range, it's just too much IMO, not to mention how they can rip the shields off vehicles.
Lasers are EM/Thermal weapons. In the CCP paradigm EM/thermal **** shields but resist kinetic and explosive.
Shields resist explosive well, so mass drivers as explosive weapons for our example, lose a percentage of damage off the top to shields but tear armor apart like it's made of paper mache
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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Lasers also have MASSIVELY reduced damage when they first start firing. They only pick up real damage after heating up for a few seconds. You can kill them before they're doing real damage if they aren't coming straight out of firing at someone else. Yeah, but all it takes is that couple of seconds to cut someone in half. LRs kill me faster at long range than HMGs do at close range, it's just too much IMO, not to mention how they can rip the shields off vehicles. A couple of seconds is longer than it takes for a good AR user in the closer edges of mid-range, and longer than a Sniper Rifle takes at longer range than the Laser, and longer than my Shotgun takes even against some Heavies in CQC range. Also, check my edit. What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:56:00 -
[139] - Quote
Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote: it's much more difficult to get close to someone who knows you're already there. if there's a good bit of open space between the both of you, there's pretty much 0 chance you're killing that LR, unless you plan on going around the entire map, in which case you'll probably get blown up or shot up with something else, or that LR is long gone. i'm sure this is all easily accounted for with a cohesive team and cover fire, but i've been rolling solo the entire time.
this is your first mistake. Seriously. get into a squad and stick together. Solo players are dogmeat against anything resembling a coordinated counterattack. Lasers can only hit one person at a time. Even an AR can hit multiple people spooning together. Think about it. i'm that one solo guy on the other team who still manages to go 20-5 against a well-coordinated team despite the rest of his team going sub 1:1 i'm not entire sure on overheating, but i feel like a LR could cut down 2-3 guys if they were all in a close group, especially because of it's increasing damage as it heats up. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:57:00 -
[140] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote: What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR.
you are incorrect, and bluntly most successful Laser rifle users have been deploying them for at least three months so they know exactly how to squeeze every ounce of efficiency out of them. |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:58:00 -
[141] - Quote
I just wanted to say.... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:01:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR. Scout with Laser Rifle dies just fine to most ARs before he can heat his weapon up enough to cut through an Assault's (or Logi's) armour.
Assault with LR usually dies first against AR fire if he doesn't already have his weapon warmed up.
Any non-Heavy LR user will drop fast against an AR- or HMG-equipped Heavy. They're even vulnerable against a heavy's sidearm if they're in the closer end of the LR's effective range.
EDIT: And if you're complaining about LR Heavies, then I'm sorry, but you're just bad at fighting Laser Rifles and I can't help you. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
33
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:06:00 -
[143] - Quote
yes, i understand they're useless at close range, but so are sniper rifles, and ARs, shotugns, HMGs, and other weapons are entirely useless outside a certain range. each weapon has their effective range and uses, but inside their effective ranges, LRs do a disproportionate amount of DPS compared to all other weapons, especially considering it can do that DPS at a long range with zero recoil.
i can only imagine how horrific these things are in a highly organized game, if a LR user sits in a well protected group of squadmates, you'll never get close to take him out. you better hope he gets sniped or is stupid and stays out of cover for too long. put 2 of these things on an objective with some close range support and you're going to really rustle some jimmies. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR. Scout with Laser Rifle dies just fine to most ARs before he can heat his weapon up enough to cut through an Assault's (or Logi's) armour. Assault with LR usually dies first against AR fire if he doesn't already have his weapon warmed up. Any non-Heavy LR user will drop fast against an AR- or HMG-equipped Heavy. They're even vulnerable against a heavy's sidearm if they're in the closer end of the LR's effective range. EDIT: And if you're complaining about LR Heavies, then I'm sorry, but you're just bad at fighting Laser Rifles and I can't help you. Any scout suit with an AR will be insta-zapped by a Laser rifle before he gets close
Assault rifles with an AR usually die first against an LR since it's easy for him to get his weapon warmed up.
Any Heavy with an AR or HMG will be cooked alive inside their suit by an LR since it is hardest for them to get away.
see I can do that to, your argument is meaningless. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:19:00 -
[145] - Quote
Not suprised tbh
HAVs got nerfed to the point where they could be soloed
Weapons got flattenered across the board so its easier for new players
The game is getting dumbed down where every weapon is pointless to use and doesnt feel different |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:23:00 -
[146] - Quote
Tamuramu wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed. TROLL MOAR |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:24:00 -
[147] - Quote
Oh damn, they're ruining lasers... |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:26:00 -
[148] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
Its great to know that the development of this game is directed by the 20-40 people that post the most on this forum.
Isn't it.
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:27:00 -
[149] - Quote
It's because of bad nerfs like these why I don't spend my SP. Never know what newberries will cry about next. |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:28:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Its great to know that the development of this game is directed by the 20-40 people that cry the most on this forum. Isn't it. I fixed for you |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR. Scout with Laser Rifle dies just fine to most ARs before he can heat his weapon up enough to cut through an Assault's (or Logi's) armour. Assault with LR usually dies first against AR fire if he doesn't already have his weapon warmed up. Any non-Heavy LR user will drop fast against an AR- or HMG-equipped Heavy. They're even vulnerable against a heavy's sidearm if they're in the closer end of the LR's effective range. EDIT: And if you're complaining about LR Heavies, then I'm sorry, but you're just bad at fighting Laser Rifles and I can't help you. Any scout suit with an AR will be insta-zapped by a Laser rifle before he gets close Assault rifles with an AR usually die first against an LR since it's easy for him to get his weapon warmed up. Any Heavy with an AR or HMG will be cooked alive inside their suit by an LR since it is hardest for them to get away. see I can do that to, your argument is meaningless. Yes, you can do ti too. But are you basing your argument on experience killing LR users with weapons you're normally not good with, and getting killed by other players while using your own LR? Unless the other player ALLOWS the Laser Rifle to stay in line of sight and optimal range, they should be perfectly capable of tipping the balance back towards themselves. I die more often to Forge Guns than Laser Rifles, and I see more Laser Rifles being fired at me. |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:40:00 -
[152] - Quote
Honestly I like the balance on weapons right now, sure things could be tweaked one way or the other but it's not so bad that one thing is way over powered.
A heavy with an HMG can annilate most players, but a good LR can take him out
A player using a LR has pretty good range and once warmed up does alot of damage, but a scout with a shotgun or an assault with an AR and half a brain can flank him and kill him.
The trick is to use tactics, yes if player A with weapon X runs straight at player Z with weapon V and they just shoot at each other the one with the better weapon will win...
THE BETTER WEAPON SHOULD WIN. Anyway forum QQers get the nerf they want everytime and then go to QQ about something else if they decide they want to use a different build so I will just keep slapping the QQers with my OP weapons in my OP armor so they can nerf that too. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:56:00 -
[153] - Quote
Bad news... the only nerf needed with Lasers isnt actually a nerf but a fix. The only thing wrong with them is the overheat mechanics that doesnt work properly. Over heat comes too late even at lvl 1.
Regarding damage. Only the basic LR needs a slight nerf to make the elm7 actually usefull.
Please CCP. Try and make slight adjustments and not hammer the whole thing. Or you ll never reach balance. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2013.01.26 21:42:00 -
[154] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Bad news... the only nerf needed with Lasers isnt actually a nerf but a fix. The only thing wrong with them is the overheat mechanics that doesnt work properly. Over heat comes too late even at lvl 1.
Regarding damage. Only the basic LR needs a slight nerf to make the elm7 actually usefull.
Please CCP. Try and make slight adjustments and not hammer the whole thing. Or you ll never reach balance.
speeding up the overheating will make them more powerful. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.26 21:47:00 -
[155] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
im going to use it no matter what...... i hate the AR's nowadays. Theres no edge to using them because EVERYBODY uses them..... i preach "playing to YOUR OWN strengths!" all the time but what strength would i have over anyone else if we all use the same guns??? (aside from gungame of course). |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.26 21:57:00 -
[156] - Quote
The only two things I'd change about the LR is the heat-up mechanic and fix the fact that you literally can not overheat the higher tier LRs.
For the heat-up-affecting-damage mechanic, I'd make it more dependent on keeping the laser focused on a single target. The longer someone is hit by a LR, the more damage they'll take from one. I'd still keep the bonus damage from generating extra heat as well, but it wouldn't be nearly as exaggerated as it is now. |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
46
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:47:00 -
[157] - Quote
Who's crying now?
Everyone just calm down. It's trial and error. They could be buffed again after this.
Who knows, ARs could be nerfed again. |
new hulk
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
49
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:21:00 -
[158] - Quote
theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard
Nefd how? |
SoTa PoP Clone
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:25:00 -
[159] - Quote
new hulk wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard Nefd how? Iron sight - no other nerf was needed to be able to label it "NERF HAMMER."
Damn horrible sight.
A lot of you will probably agree with this. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2013.01.27 00:14:00 -
[160] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything.
Are you serious lol? You forget the damage got nerfed AND flattened. The TAR is useless now and so are the breach ARs.
Multipurpose except that lasers will smoke ARs long range. ARs only have a chance if they can get close enough.
The "easiest" weapon to get kills with?? You have to aim with the AR. You can miss with the MD and still get the kill. Laser users don't even come near the fights. They just stand on the outskirts and just melt everyone down in secs. |
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The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
73
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:31:00 -
[161] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything. Are you serious lol? You forget the damage got nerfed AND flattened. The TAR is useless now and so are the breach ARs. Multipurpose except that lasers will smoke ARs long range. ARs only have a chance if they can get close enough. The "easiest" weapon to get kills with?? You have to aim with the AR. You can miss with the MD and still get the kill. Laser users don't even come near the fights. They just stand on the outskirts and just melt everyone down in secs. oh cry me a river. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:56:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything. Are you serious lol? You forget the damage got nerfed AND flattened. The TAR is useless now and so are the breach ARs. Multipurpose except that lasers will smoke ARs long range. ARs only have a chance if they can get close enough. The "easiest" weapon to get kills with?? You have to aim with the AR. You can miss with the MD and still get the kill. Laser users don't even come near the fights. They just stand on the outskirts and just melt everyone down in secs.
So because a weapon is easy to use mean it should be nerffed? Its also really easy to counter but NO ONE is intertaining that thought on the other side of the argument at all.
Besides what I can get away with in a solo run of ambush vs what I can get away with in a corp match where there's alot more on the line is a big difference.
I highly doubt non pubies will let me burn them for long because shock and awe they use tactics! |
Tau5
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.01.27 03:19:00 -
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waah waah, I have to adapt my strategy when facing this weapon, therefore it is clearly OP and not my fault and it must go waaaah wah wah |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.01.27 06:04:00 -
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Can someone answer this question:
Why does an overheating laser rifle deal more damage when an overheating HMG doesn't?
Isn't overheating a disadvantage of an inadequate cooling system? If anything, an overheating device becomes less efficient rather than more.
I'm wondering if two separate mechanisms (time on target) and overheating got conflated due to the first being broken. It makes sense that a laser would do more damage per unit time to a target over time, after all the heat would build up on the target with more being pumped in. What doesn't make sense is that the beam could be "cooked" firing in the air and only then be swept across a target for huge damage.
My take is that CCP just counted firing time rather than time on target by mistake. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.01.27 06:13:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Can someone answer this question:
Why does an overheating laser rifle deal more damage when an overheating HMG doesn't?
Isn't overheating a disadvantage of an inadequate cooling system? If anything, an overheating device becomes less efficient rather than more.
I'm wondering if two separate mechanisms (time on target) and overheating got conflated due to the first being broken. It makes sense that a laser would do more damage per unit time to a target over time, after all the heat would build up on the target with more being pumped in. What doesn't make sense is that the beam could be "cooked" firing in the air and only then be swept across a target for huge damage.
My take is that CCP just counted firing time rather than time on target by mistake. I would figure time-on-target would make far more sense, and I hope they implement that. It would really increase the skill ceiling on the weapon, and a high skill ceiling is always welcome. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2013.01.27 11:41:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Bad news... the only nerf needed with Lasers isnt actually a nerf but a fix. The only thing wrong with them is the overheat mechanics that doesnt work properly. Over heat comes too late even at lvl 1.
Regarding damage. Only the basic LR needs a slight nerf to make the elm7 actually usefull.
Please CCP. Try and make slight adjustments and not hammer the whole thing. Or you ll never reach balance. speeding up the overheating will make them more powerful.
Hmmmmmmm no. Speeding up overheat =/= speeding up damage output growth.
How dumb is it that a lvl 1 char with basic LR can reach almost full potential of the output. If it were overheating around 50-60% of the clip, damage output would be limited until you skill up. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.01.27 13:51:00 -
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Laser rifle is far from OP
No one barely uses it and its only good in certain situations yet we have 9 pages of **** from players who have never used it or dont even know how to use it
Its going the way of the Breach and Tac rifles most likely and DUST gets more bland as a result |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
324
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:34:00 -
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Tactics are OP. Nerf tactics.
Seriously, since this build started I've been killed by a laser maybe 5 times...that's it. You just have to use your brain a little. Want to cross over a wide open area and see an enemy laser beam? Don't do it, go some other way. Laser dude shooting at you? Sprint into cover, let your shields regen a little and get up in his face. If you die to a laser at close range, the laser itself was not responsible for your death. All the other guys shooting at you were, the laser just got lucky and did the final point of damage.
The laser can do quite high levels of damage, but only for extremely short periods, after which the rifle is overheating and needs a reload. It's also the only weapon that can kill the user simply by firing it. Lasers are a squad weapon, they absolutely require support if people have the brains needed to analyze their surroundings. A weapon that requires teamwork to use effectively, and is countered by longer range weapons and intelligent footwork is not OP. |
FPS LEGEND
Doomheim
100
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:38:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:Tactics are OP. Nerf tactics.
Seriously, since this build started I've been killed by a laser maybe 5 times...that's it. You just have to use your brain a little. Want to cross over a wide open area and see an enemy laser beam? Don't do it, go some other way. Laser dude shooting at you? Sprint into cover, let your shields regen a little and get up in his face. If you die to a laser at close range, the laser itself was not responsible for your death. All the other guys shooting at you were, the laser just got lucky and did the final point of damage.
The laser can do quite high levels of damage, but only for extremely short periods, after which the rifle is overheating and needs a reload. It's also the only weapon that can kill the user simply by firing it. Lasers are a squad weapon, they absolutely require support if people have the brains needed to analyze their surroundings. A weapon that requires teamwork to use effectively, and is countered by longer range weapons and intelligent footwork is not OP.
AGREED... I have died more times to terrain than to laser weapons.
Situational awareness is OP. |
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