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        |  Tony Calif
 Seraphim Initiative.
 CRONOS.
 
 2002
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:28:00 -
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 Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
 
 Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary.
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        |  The legend345
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 73
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:32:00 -
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 Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time  , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.  Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Oh THANK GOD i was worried that every ******* person wouldnt be using the AR so glad theres not going to be another good weapon to use.
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        |  tharinkle
 Seituoda Taskforce Command
 Caldari State
 
 2
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:34:00 -
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 I love the LR and carry it almost every match. Still, more than half my kills are with my SMG. If the nerf is as bad as it sounds, I guess I'll just join the AR horde.
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        |  Paran Tadec
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 902
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:35:00 -
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 Lasers were the only thing this Type-II heavy really feared.......
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        |  Knarf Black
 Subdreddit
 Test Alliance Please Ignore
 
 397
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:36:00 -
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 Tony Calif wrote:Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
 Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary.
 
 Unless it is intentional on CCPs part that ARs are overpowered at low levels and underpowered at proto, I'd say they're the ones with the balance problem, not every single other weapon.
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        |  tribal wyvern
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
 674
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 -
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 Tamuramu wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time  , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.  Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed.  
 No bro what he's getting at is the fact we've been in this beta a long time (since 1st build) and we've been testing the a$$ off all the weapons etc and giving our contribution to the development, and then all the damn noobs join the closed beta moaning about the guns etc, so stuff gets nerfed.
 Then the flood gates open and the open beta people pile in and start moaning about weapons that have already been hit with the nerf bat, so they get hit again....and again.....and again.
 Then they go after weapons that they suck at using, such as the laser rifle. They can't get it into their thick heads that they're using militia dropsuits against a powerful laser rifle so they want the rifle nerfed.
 People are wrecking this gem of a game. And I for one am getting pissed off with that.
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        |  Kira Lannister
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 711
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 -
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 Purple Lipton wrote:I hate lasers more than any other weapon, but i didnt think they were op. It has been the same people beasting with the lr, and that says more about the players skill w the weapon, than the weapon itself. 
 
 Pew pew pew
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        |  Noraa Anderson
 Nox Aeterna Security
 
 184
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:41:00 -
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 Good, lasers are OP, they needed a nerf.
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        |  Berserker007
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 206
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:44:00 -
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 Tony Calif wrote:Deserved Nerf. Tbh, it needs total rebalance. A Proto AR does less than 10% more damage compared to a standard one. Vizam is 25%. Lasers are out of balance with the rest of the game. You can tell that from the way they strip tanks of shields. Yes it's designed to kill shields. But not when at 20% efficiency or whatever it drops to vs vehicles.
 Oh and as for mass drivers? Drop the extra clip size which was added this build. Unnecessary.
 
 Tony, u definitely are the SI guy i respect the most. Good quality post on an issue that needs to be addressed (even though ave corp mates on other side); as u put tags aside and gave good info for the benefit to the community. +1
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        |  Kaserai Mandrag
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 57
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:53:00 -
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 Agreed. Im sorry OP. This is what happens when you get COD players. They like brainless games
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        |  The legend345
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 73
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 20:58:00 -
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 lol funny thing is the cod players there catering for will be gone in a week max.
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        |  arimal lavaren
 L.O.T.I.S.
 Legacy Rising
 
 186
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:06:00 -
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 Icy Tiger wrote:
 Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.
 
 
 1) source?
 
 2) I'm really not seeing anything like logic in this decision, a significant nerf in any ONE of the mentioned areas would make an already situational weapon near worthless like the Mass driver before it and the HMG before that.
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        |  Kane Brackman
 Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
 
 10
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:08:00 -
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 arimal lavaren wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:
 Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.
 
 1) source? 2) I'm really not seeing anything like logic in this decision, a significant nerf in any ONE of the mentioned areas would make an already situational weapon near worthless like the Mass driver before it and the HMG before that.  
 It needed a overheat tweak and the fact that they are reducing range makes it worthless now.
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        |  semperfi1999
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 317
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:10:00 -
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 Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time  , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes.  Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. 
 
 If this is true then it sounds like the they are overnerfing when only a tweaking is needed. Just because you worried that CCP is going to nerf something too hard that doesnt mean that you should be against attempting to balance weapons. Laser are supposed to rip you up at range I agree. But the rediculous dmg they did without ever overheating needed some adjusting.
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        |  EnIgMa99
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 219
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:22:00 -
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 Whenever I shoot a lazer its like putting sirens on my head and big horns that say IM HERE SHOOT ME
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        |  SoTa PoP Clone
 Condotta Rouvenor
 Gallente Federation
 
 60
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:23:00 -
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 Ah hell - I'm just going to say SWEET since no name scrubs could pick this damn weapon up and pay massive damage to all for it's obvious need of a small tweak. HMG scrubs just get owned for not knowin' how to walk. Laser scrubs just keep distance and don't worry bout it all.
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        |  Fivetimes Infinity
 Immobile Infantry
 
 1086
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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 Lasers are overpowered right now. The fact that players who aren't full of **** recognize that, and that CCP recognizes it as well, doesn't mean that the one followed the other. CCP doesn't need us to tell them things like lasers are broken, and the fact that people talked about them needing a nerf is coincidental to them getting a nerf.
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        |  The legend345
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 73
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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 SoTa PoP Clone wrote:Ah hell - I'm just going to say SWEET since no name scrubs could pick this damn weapon up and pay massive damage to all for it's obvious need of a small tweak. HMG scrubs just get owned for not knowin' how to walk. Laser scrubs just keep distance and don't worry bout it all. sota pop your butt hurt because you got owned by impswarm move along.
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        |  Caeli SineDeo
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 294
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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 Death to LAZERs
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        |  arimal lavaren
 L.O.T.I.S.
 Legacy Rising
 
 186
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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 I'd be cool with lowering the damage on the higher level lasers and maybe adjusting heat build up to kick in with 30 rounds or maybe a little more in the clip(instead of the current 20 with STD laser and lvl3 ops). But an across the board Nerf will kill it for the 2-3 months it takes CCP to bring it back into usability.
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        |  Yay Adski
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 133
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:26:00 -
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 LOL
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        |  SoTa PoP Clone
 Condotta Rouvenor
 Gallente Federation
 
 60
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:28:00 -
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 and the range reduction isn't a terrible thing. You can upgrade it like anything else - why should you get such a massive damaging weapon at tier 1 and think having no passives to support it makes it anything but just sorta good. It ruins the RPG side of the game if no passives = still a massive slayer weapon.
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        |  Aighun
 Zumari Force Projection
 Caldari State
 
 666
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:29:00 -
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 Ah well. Here we go again.
 
 "DUST 514! hailed far and wide as just another generic shooter, with lasers! Also EVE something something Orbital bombardment!"
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        |  SoTa PoP Clone
 Condotta Rouvenor
 Gallente Federation
 
 60
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:29:00 -
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 And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers.
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        |  Volgair
 Tritan-Industries
 Legacy Rising
 
 200
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:33:00 -
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 Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not sure about damage nerf. But the others are needed. 
 This is the first time i think i have disagreed with in a few months, LAR are fine. Break LOS, close range engage in CQC win. This is sad news. AR are still the most powerful weapon in the game based on adaptability.
 
 I use AR on my Alt-> LAR are not an issue.
 I use a HMG on my main-> LAR is an issue but that is the roll it fills.
 
 Sad day indeed...
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        |  The legend345
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 73
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:37:00 -
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 SoTa PoP Clone wrote:And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers. lol still butthurt
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        |  SoTa PoP Clone
 Condotta Rouvenor
 Gallente Federation
 
 60
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:39:00 -
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 The legend345 wrote:SoTa PoP Clone wrote:And me > impswarm. No idea why you think you guys are anything like the imperfects. Half of you guys are just barely decent and the other half spams MD and lasers. lol still butthurt Damn right I am. Not cheap being a heavy soloing. Try it sometime. You may find not being in a squad isn't as terrible as you think. You may even learn something of yourself you never knew existed ;)
 
 And my honest opinion on lasers is it only needed a slight tweak like the HMG. This over-nerf is typical CCP over-kill.
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        |  Skihids
 Tritan-Industries
 Legacy Rising
 
 969
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:44:00 -
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 AR's are the cars of the world. Nobody notices when a car wreck kills someone, it's just a constant background noise.
 
 Someone one gets eaten by a shark? Front page news!
 
 An AR drops you ten times in one match? You shrug your shoulders and vow to improve your game.
 
 A laser melts your face or a MD sends you flying once in a match? OMG! Did you see that noob with that OP PoS killing everyone?!?! Nerf Bat! Now!
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        |  BMSTUBBY
 KILL-EM-QUICK
 RISE of LEGION
 
 95
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:46:00 -
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 I have not leveled anything past level one yet other than the AR because I figured this is what CCNerf would do.
 Damn shame to cuz I liked the laser.
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        |  SoTa PoP Clone
 Condotta Rouvenor
 Gallente Federation
 
 60
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.25 21:46:00 -
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 BMSTUBBY wrote:I have not leveled anything past level one yet other than the AR because I figured this is what CCNerf would do.Damn shame to cuz I liked the laser.
 Same here man - I have nearly 500,000 SP saved up. Once next build comes a long it may be safe to pick a route without fear of CCP effin' it up.
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