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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:48:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:because a recoil-less weapon that does high, steady damage from long range is a great idea in a FPS, right?
It is when the weapon is easily countered by a Sniper Rifle at even longer range than its "high damage" can be used, or by any other weapon if you simply do the same thing as you do against snipers and GET IN CLOSE where the damage is massively reduced. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:00:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun.
In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate.
Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC.
If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:15:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:ANY weapon is countered by a sniper rifle at long range...that's how it should be. saying "LOL JUST GIT CLOSE" doesn't make it any less of an overpowered weapon. it is by far the strongest weapon at mid range unless you're some kind of savant with the mass driver or forge gun. In the long ends of mid-range, the Laser Rifle is MEANT to dominate. Just like the Sniper Rifle dominates at extreme range, and just like the Shotgun and HMG dominate in CQC. If you're in the closer end of mid-range, AR fire should out-DPS the LR, and you only need to be decent, not amazing, with your Mass Driver. SMGs can damage race LRs in decently close range - but outside of their preferred CQC range. i've taken down both HMGs and shotguns at close range with a tactical assault rifle, but if i go up against someone even half decent with a LR anywhere close to mid range, it's already over. it dominates it's range TOO HARD and makes it almost impossible for any other weapon to compete. regardless if it's garbage up close, it's still way too OP at medium range compared to all other weapons at their respective ranges.
I've dominated Laser Rifle users at the closer end of mid-range with a Toxin and Level 3 SMG Ops.
Doesn't prove that they're underpowered any more than your examples of getting dominated prove they're OP. You're bad at countering them for some reason. I don't know what that reason is, but apparently you suck at fighting against Laser Rifles.
What Tactical AR have you been using? What Laser Rifle was the opponent using? What applicable skills did each of you have equipped? What suits were each you you using?
The weapon is rarely the only factor involved. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:29:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it.
You seem to be forgetting the fact that Lasers also have MASSIVELY reduced damage when they first start firing. They only pick up real damage after heating up for a few seconds. You can kill them before they're doing real damage if they aren't coming straight out of firing at someone else.
Also, you're basically saying that a weapon which could conceivably have been as high as Proto level stripped your shields when it's stronger against shields than armour, while you stayed in that weapons optimum range instead of trying to get closer to negate their range advantage. He didn't kill you, because you got away without letting him get the kill, and you were too scared to try again. Is that about the situation? Because that's not an example of a weapon being OP. It's an example of a good player getting away from another good player who's in an advantageous position and still didn't manage to get their kill. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:36:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Well, I've managed to maintain a 2.4 kill to death ratio playing solo 100% of the time, i'd like to think I have a good shot and know what I'm doing. honestly have no idea what he was using, i just remember seeing a scout rip 3/4ths my health away from me before i could even line up a shot. trying to play duck and cover games was impossible because his weapon has no recoil. being the stubborn man that i am, i refused to come out of cover and be killed by such a gimmicky weapon, so i didn't catch the name on it. i mean honestly, an unbroken stream of high damage energy with no recoil that does better damage at mid-long range? if the DPS wasn't so ridiculous I think it would be fine. maybe if someone could pull some concrete numbers and compare damage we could have a better discussion on it. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Lasers also have MASSIVELY reduced damage when they first start firing. They only pick up real damage after heating up for a few seconds. You can kill them before they're doing real damage if they aren't coming straight out of firing at someone else. Yeah, but all it takes is that couple of seconds to cut someone in half. LRs kill me faster at long range than HMGs do at close range, it's just too much IMO, not to mention how they can rip the shields off vehicles.
A couple of seconds is longer than it takes for a good AR user in the closer edges of mid-range, and longer than a Sniper Rifle takes at longer range than the Laser, and longer than my Shotgun takes even against some Heavies in CQC range.
Also, check my edit. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:01:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR.
Scout with Laser Rifle dies just fine to most ARs before he can heat his weapon up enough to cut through an Assault's (or Logi's) armour.
Assault with LR usually dies first against AR fire if he doesn't already have his weapon warmed up.
Any non-Heavy LR user will drop fast against an AR- or HMG-equipped Heavy. They're even vulnerable against a heavy's sidearm if they're in the closer end of the LR's effective range.
EDIT: And if you're complaining about LR Heavies, then I'm sorry, but you're just bad at fighting Laser Rifles and I can't help you. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:King Kobrah wrote:What i'm trying to say is no weapon has a fighting chance against a LR at it's ideal range. every other weapon, at it's ideal range (except snipers for obvious reasons) can still potentially lose in a firefight. the LR is imbalanced in that aspect. even if i had dropped to a knee and peppered him with headshots robo-cop style, with 100% accuracy, i still doubt my chances of survival against a LR. Scout with Laser Rifle dies just fine to most ARs before he can heat his weapon up enough to cut through an Assault's (or Logi's) armour. Assault with LR usually dies first against AR fire if he doesn't already have his weapon warmed up. Any non-Heavy LR user will drop fast against an AR- or HMG-equipped Heavy. They're even vulnerable against a heavy's sidearm if they're in the closer end of the LR's effective range. EDIT: And if you're complaining about LR Heavies, then I'm sorry, but you're just bad at fighting Laser Rifles and I can't help you. Any scout suit with an AR will be insta-zapped by a Laser rifle before he gets close Assault rifles with an AR usually die first against an LR since it's easy for him to get his weapon warmed up. Any Heavy with an AR or HMG will be cooked alive inside their suit by an LR since it is hardest for them to get away. see I can do that to, your argument is meaningless.
Yes, you can do ti too. But are you basing your argument on experience killing LR users with weapons you're normally not good with, and getting killed by other players while using your own LR? Unless the other player ALLOWS the Laser Rifle to stay in line of sight and optimal range, they should be perfectly capable of tipping the balance back towards themselves. I die more often to Forge Guns than Laser Rifles, and I see more Laser Rifles being fired at me. |
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