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Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:20:00 -
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I play a heavy with a laser rifle. I do quite well but if someone gets close I'm screwed. I have a scabaler pistol for such an occasion but that's not much insurance.
The laser Only works from a fair distance, gives away exactly where I am and theres always a high chance while I'm standing still picking at targets that a sniper goes. "That's right fatty, stay still shooting.... bye bye."
I think it may need adjustments but not a hard nerf. Its very easy to counter. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:21:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time.
Your not supposed to be able to deal with a laser at that range. Your bullet spread is to great from that far. Just get in close by circling around. You'll kill me.
Edit: also if many of you don't know lasers deal EM damage which shield tanks are very weak too. If you standard assult it will melt you quickly. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:34:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Lord Crases wrote:King Kobrah wrote:anyone with reasonable aim or a KB+M and a laser rifle could outperform any weapon at medium range. even on my armor tanked assault suits i was getting cut in half in a matter of seconds, not possible to aim and shoot and out DPS a good laser rifle user.
at the very least something had to be done, but it seems like CCP may be cutting the balls off it completely, which we don't want either. I would be perfectly okay with a damage nerf, or a range nerf, or overheat nerf, but not all three at the same time. Your not supposed to be able to deal with a laser at that range. Your bullet spread is to great from that far. Just get in close by circling around. You'll kill me. considering i was using a tactical assault rifle with a complex damage modifier, yes, i should be able to kill someone from that range fairy effectively. if at any time you get stuck in an area with little cover and nowhere to run once you duck back, it's pretty much over..with other weapons i still have a fighting chance. maybe adding some sort of recoil would help balance things out.
what if it was a sniper and they had the ability to one shot one in less time. Would you have felt better if you only got them to half health before they blew you head off? |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:43:00 -
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Mitsuko'Souma wrote:I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol.
I remember you and that was me. I was using the level one laser rifle. If you wanted to kill me why didn't you just communicate with your squad to sneak up on me and you just taking pot shots to draw my attention to you.
Tactics! |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:55:00 -
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Mitsuko'Souma wrote:Lord Crases wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:I tried this game out and kept getting sniped over and over by a guy w/ a 90,000 ISK laser standing on top of a structure. I had no way of killing him becase it outranged all my weaons except the piece of junk militia sniper. I hit him twice but he was a heavy and basically it would take 2+ headshots just to kill, which would be impossible considering his laser kills me in less than 2 seconds and the sniper fires slow as fyck and only holds 3 bullets in a magazine.. Lol. I remember you and that was me. I was using the level one laser rifle. If you wanted to kill me why didn't you just communicate with your squad to sneak up on me and you just taking pot shots to draw my attention to you. Tactics! No, it wasn't you. Lol are you really conceited enough to think that you are the only person who laser snipes? In the short time I played this game, I saw it quite often. And no, it wasn't level 1 laser. It tells you what gun you get killed by, I looked it up in the store, and it was the highest cost laser, like 80k-90k each.
Lets say for arguments sake your right about who it was. Frankly it doesn't matter but I do remember at one point killing you in the matter mentioned. If I was so 'conceited' I wouldn't tell you how you can kill me which brings me to the point you didn't address how you could deal with me.
How is this any differant then dealing with a tank or a sniper or a heavy with a HMG or a dropship?
It all comes down to tactics and working as a team. If you have something you can't deal with you turn to your team mates and talk to them about options.
Not throw a hissy fit or shrug/give up and rant on the forums.
If you have that kind of mentality no one will play with you for being a quitter.
does the laser rifle need a tweak? absolutely, but so does everything in a mmo at some point.
I don't think It needs a massive nerf however. I think it fills an interesting nich in the EvE universe and brings some of the racial flavor from the Amarr to the dust players. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:01:00 -
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Mitsuko'Souma wrote:Lol you "remember" killing me in the manner mentioned, yet I only played like 2 battles w/ this character and wasn't even fighting because I was just screwing around trying to figure out to drive those piece of shyt warthogs. The person that was laser sniping me was against my first character, which had a completely different name, and I deleted. Nice memory you have there buddy 
Still didn't address my point regardless how right you are about me not killing you. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:56:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time , Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything. Are you serious lol? You forget the damage got nerfed AND flattened. The TAR is useless now and so are the breach ARs. Multipurpose except that lasers will smoke ARs long range. ARs only have a chance if they can get close enough. The "easiest" weapon to get kills with?? You have to aim with the AR. You can miss with the MD and still get the kill. Laser users don't even come near the fights. They just stand on the outskirts and just melt everyone down in secs.
So because a weapon is easy to use mean it should be nerffed? Its also really easy to counter but NO ONE is intertaining that thought on the other side of the argument at all.
Besides what I can get away with in a solo run of ambush vs what I can get away with in a corp match where there's alot more on the line is a big difference.
I highly doubt non pubies will let me burn them for long because shock and awe they use tactics! |
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