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Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:45:00 - [1] - Quote Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:47:00 - [2] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:48:00 - [3] - Quote Not sure about damage nerf. But the others are needed.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:49:00 - [4] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:50:00 - [5] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:52:00 - [6] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything. really the breach didnt get nerfed to uselessness because people kept taking regular ar's (which were made to out range the breach fyi) to a cqc battle and losing to the gun made for cqc? tell me again how they DIDN'T get nerfed you complain as if the laser rifle was the only thing to ever get nerfed that didnt need it it needs a nerf not one as hard as what youre saying but it definitley needs one.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:52:00 - [7] - Quote Don't use lasers anymore, when AR with sharpshooter does everything better. And has CQC capabilities.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:53:00 - [8] - Quote maybe they are finally trying to balance the game instead of keep imbalances in an FPS so they can actually get the members they are trying to shoot for not people who play it for a day or two and quit. mass appeal just won't work if you have weapons that are the best at everything.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:53:00 - [9] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. Seens like someone's favorite weapon is getting nerfed. Sounds like someone doesn't know how to counter ****. I've never had a problem fighting LRs because I have brain cells
James Blaise Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 35	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:55:00 - [10] - Quote Lets nerf rocks!

The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:58:00 - [11] - Quote really? Good job morons for ruining the game for people who have a different playstyle. Well i mainly focused on tanks and when im done with that i look at getting my infantry skills up. Just like i did in the last build.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:58:00 - [12] - Quote quite frankly i think theyre going to nerf everything because how can something be op if they all suck?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 - [13] - Quote Soon to come- every weapon is now an assault rifle with a reskin.
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 233	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:00:00 - [14] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. LEAVE MY MASS DRIVER ALONE!!!! LASERS OP LOL.. (JUST KIDDING)
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:06:00 - [15] - Quote I really like the lasers, but end up using an AR most of the time. The situations where a laser rules the field are limited, and by the sounds of it, going to further limited soon. May as well tell my guys to stick with the AR then.
Hawkings Greenback D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 25	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 - [16] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Soon to come- every weapon is now an assault rifle with a reskin. ahh the new bland rifle Not seen many lazers recently. Guess I will see even less soon Whats next . . . . Im gonna guess mass drivers
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:09:00 - [17] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Thanks to all the whining and whimpering from people who don't know a thing about optimum range or heat up time, Lasers are being nerfed. Hard. Sources from IRC say there's a range, damage, AND clip size nerf, along with maybe overheat changes. Once again, thank you guys for the QQ, there's another weapon out. Mass Drivers are next. Then HMG. Then Scramblers (oh wait), then what else? Honestly, let's just make it AR 514. Also, just to make it clear, I do not use Lasers often, in fact I haven't even spec ed into them since reset, before the reset I did carry a Viziam. except that they already bitched and moaned about the ar's till they got nerfed hard How are they nerfed? Scopes? They're coming back. Recoil? We all knew it was coming, it's a actually a bug that took it out earlier. Please, tell me more. Still by far easiest weapon to get kills with is AR. Multi purpose, basically does everything. I see people beast with every weapon out there, don't give me that "AR is all that works" bs. AR's have taken a huge hit with the return of recoil, and the fact that everyone knew it was coming doesn't reduce the effectiveness hit they took when it happened. But they are 100% where they need to be right now. The reason more people get AR kills than with any other weapon is because more people gravitate towards it since it's a weapon they are familiar with. People have to learn the new weapons to do well with them, so those people running other weapons will have a harder time getting kills with them until they become as familiar with them as AR users are with the AR. AR's were seriously OP with no recoil, as you notice people have a lot harder time killing with them now but they are still effective enough to be useful. Lasers are OP currently (any weapon that you can just heat up and whip across people a couple times for an insta-kill is OP, no matter the downsides, and yes, I have specced them and know the issues with them) but CCP is again coming in with a sledge-o-matic instead of a rubber mallet to deal with the issue. Blame that, not the fact that AR's are balanced and lasers are about to be UP. Lastly, the AR is good at most ranges, but it is the master of none. Equal lvl SMG tops AR at close range, as does a shotgun. HMG tops an AR up to 55~65 meters. Mass driver tops AR's for dealing with entrenched enemies. Laser tops it at any range an AR can reach above the HMG range by a WIDE margin (this wide gap is about to be reduced apparently). Sniper is obviously a sniper rifle, above and beyond the AR range. Every weapon has it's purpose and it's intended range use, the AR is just the one that has slightly reduced effectiveness with the advantage of being the most versatile at different ranges.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:09:00 - [18] - Quote They don't need a Nerf. Even though i hate it to the core, but i would say it needs a bit o tweaking. Not nerf.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:11:00 - [19] - Quote If their nerfing it its probably because the devs decided it was over powered, as I have learn from previous games whiners on the forums have little to do with updates.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:12:00 - [20] - Quote Seriously? Lasers require some skill and practice to maximize their damage without overheating, and they give away your exact position to half the dang map. Meanwhile, GEKs are responsible for upwards of 3/4 of my deaths.

Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:13:00 - [21] - Quote Don't know why they would nerf it though, I tried it and hated the gun with a passion. To me it needs upped a bit.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:17:00 - [22] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: Seriously? Lasers require some skill and practice to maximize their damage without overheating, and they give away your exact position to half the dang map. Meanwhile, GEKs are responsible for upwards of 3/4 of my deaths. Already nerfed. This is the Post Nerf version of GEK so no complains there.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:18:00 - [23] - Quote I find this disappointing I used the LR and have a few points in it this build but I use it less because of its limits to where it is efective. Well glad that duat is slowly going to bland shooter 514. At least all the skill hards are going to be able to say they are winning because of skill not because they got killed by unique interesting gear that out performs their AR where it is supposed to.
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 233	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:18:00 - [24] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: Seriously? Lasers require some skill and practice to maximize their damage without overheating, and they give away your exact position to half the dang map. Meanwhile, GEKs are responsible for upwards of 3/4 of my deaths. Agreed nerf GEK's before lasers.. come on CCP Stop listening to the whiney kids that have 300 EHP and don't understand how to play the game. Also watch for fake threads, by players trying to get every weapon but their own NERFED. CCP just stop, your drunk.. BAD CCP bad..
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:18:00 - [25] - Quote Lasers, like any weapon, have to be learned. You can't just toy with it for a few days and know all it's secrets. You have to work at it like you did bak when you were first learning how to play a shooter. These weapons have a learning curve, and if you aren't willing to put in the work, you'll never master it. Lasers DO give away your position, but to everyone more than 20 feet away, they try to avoid you every chance they get unless they notice you are shooting in a different direction. Using lasers is all about positioning yourself and making sure your squad is watching your flanks.
Spaceman-Rob Galactic Alliance 514 64	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:19:00 - [26] - Quote I wouldn't say the lasers were op at all, hardly ever killed by them. I wouldn't use one because there like a big neon sign saying here I am come and kill me.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:22:00 - [27] - Quote Val'herik Dorn wrote: I find this disappointing I used the LR and have a few points in it this build but I use it less because of its limits to where it is efective. Well glad that duat is slowly going to bland shooter 514. At least all the skill hards are going to be able to say they are winning because of skill not because they got killed by unique interesting gear that out performs their AR where it is supposed to. Again, plenty of weapons top the AR in their own range. SMG, Shotgun, Mass Driver, HMG, Sniper, etc. Wsit to see what they do before you get all "they're ruining the game" on it. They've done this plenty over the last year, and the game is still moving forward.
Vile Heathen Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:23:00 - [28] - Quote I always get more kills with ARs than lasers, and I'm fairly good with both. I always get stuck with assists because blues with ARs usually get the kill points.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:26:00 - [29] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Val'herik Dorn wrote: I find this disappointing I used the LR and have a few points in it this build but I use it less because of its limits to where it is efective. Well glad that duat is slowly going to bland shooter 514. At least all the skill hards are going to be able to say they are winning because of skill not because they got killed by unique interesting gear that out performs their AR where it is supposed to. Again, plenty of weapons top the AR in their own range. SMG, Shotgun, Mass Driver, HMG, Sniper, etc. Wsit to see what they do before you get all "they're ruining the game" on it. They've done this plenty over the last year, and the game is still moving forward. Yes' true but those weapons specialise in those ranges. The laser is supposed to beat the assault rifle at its optimal range. Which is supposed to be longer than the ARs. The assault rifle should be good at all those ranges but not the best. Jack of all trades master of none and all that.
Purple Lipton Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 33	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:27:00 - [30] - Quote I hate lasers more than any other weapon, but i didnt think they were op. It has been the same people beasting with the lr, and that says more about the players skill w the weapon, than the weapon itself.



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