I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.

The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.

Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.

We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.

Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.

We look forward to hearing from you!

this idea was stolen from me :P

#2

I just need you to click any of the "like" buttons. That's all.

this idea was stolen from me :P

Realistically, there is no difference between #1 and #2.... the roll-over eliminates weekly/daily distinction. Assuming the count resets on Monday... a daily cap will limit the hardcore games from making strides too early in the week... whereas the weekend warriors will be slightly outmatched, but can catch up later.

The weekly cap with rollover will see some 23/7 players hitting the cap by Tuesday or Wednesday... but gradually people will catch up from Thursday onward.

While there is still *some* distinction between a daily and weekly cap, the rollover effect really makes this negligible.

Good idea even though multiple accounts could be a problem

#2

#1 and #5 is also acceptable. There has to be rollback, or no cap.

Post#1 - Weekly SP Cap with roll over

The tally thus far:

1# = 7
2# = 8
3# = 0
4# = 0
5# = 8

I have taken the liberty of nulling all multiple option votes - those where people have selected multiple options as this is nonsensical in a vote such as this. If a vote is going to work people need to select only 1 option.

pointless, even if we were all voting twice #2 is overwhelming in support.

I think this thread has already served it's purpose. Hopefully CCP is taken a peek.

How'd you get those numbers anyways? Counted posts?

I think it's funny how so many people cant read nor follow instructions. To vote you simply have to like the OP post that corresponds with the number. IE: #1,#2,#3,#4 or #5. Not make a post displaying number. I would request that the OP outline the options so the voters have a better idea as to what they're voting for. I have seen several different proposals of a rolling cap.

Thanks OP for the work and thanks SoTa for the idea

How is 2 overwhelming in support when the same number of people have voted to have the SP cap removed (option 5)?

The tally thus far:

1# = 7
2# = 8
3# = 0
4# = 0
5# = 8

I have taken the liberty of nulling all multiple option votes - those where people have selected multiple options as this is nonsensical in a vote such as this. If a vote is going to work people need to select only 1 option.

#5

I want to control my own game progress. Not have it controlled by CCP.

The tally thus far:

1# = 7
2# = 8
3# = 0
4# = 0
5# = 8

I have taken the liberty of nulling all multiple option votes - those where people have selected multiple options as this is nonsensical in a vote such as this. If a vote is going to work people need to select only 1 option.

This means you only counted people who spoke out in a post. How can you count the ones who didn't? I didn't even say which I voted for - or the OP - but you bet we voted. Sorry but your statistics are iffy at best and are unreliable. Not that the "like" voting system is much better lol

But you dont need the votes in the first place - look around CCP. Roll Back is requested in every thread regarding SP.

You vote Republican, right?

no cap. I barely have time to afk in the mcc right now but I don't care who has what gear. last 2 builds i would get to about 8/9 mill sp and stop playing grinding because I hit proto gear.

Let the players who want to grind to grind. Ill catch up in a month or so then it wont matter.

Sorry but ccp has nerfed the **** out of gear so much that going from standard to proto isn't anything like it used to be.

bet you'll like getting all these likes..

Post #1 - Weekly SP Cap.

I'm not falling for your "They Like me! They REALLY like ME!" plan

I do not know what is more sad.

Persons that care about how many likes they get or other persons that care about how many likes other people are getting.

Humm?

I do not know what is more sad.

Persons that care about how many likes they get or other persons that care about how many likes other people are getting.

Humm?

I highly doubt the OP was doing this to get likes. it is merely the logical choice for a voting system. maybe if CCP had a pole it wouldn't be such of an issue

Cap it.

Or drastically reduce active SP earnings and increase passive SP earnings.

I see one problem here.

Since when do "likes" matter to me outside the context of this thread?

@Everyone who posted numbers.

I hope you read my initial post thoroughly when I said you only need to click the "like" button next to the corresponding number that you support. But thanks for voicing yourselves.

@Volgair

Your #7 post needs to be changed. I'm afraid it might skew the results or might cause people to accidentally "like" it if they meant for #5. Can you be so kind and change it? Please and thank you.

EDIT:

I appreciate your gesture to help me out.

The Devs have stated that they pay more attention to the suggestion sub forum than general, and that they want a new thread for each new idea/ support of old idea/ feedback. So this is just for our sake?

The depressing thing is a vote like this is somewhat pointless.

Its to easy to create a new account and change the results. If CCP want accurate feedback on something this important they should put a poll at the initial loading screen of the game and force people to vote before they can load any further.

Of course, they would probably need to add a 'Don't care' option if this were the case.

That doesn't address the problem with an individual creating 100 unique emails (mostly throw-away accounts) just to create 100 accounts. Every voting system in the history of the human race has always proven to be flawed in some way due to the threat of people wanting to skew results in their favor. This is the best poll I can come up with given the circumstance and I don't think it would make a difference if CCP ran an official pole.

Definitely voted for #2, best of both worlds. Keeps the hardcore players from reaching the cap in a day or two, then not showing their faces until the next week (meaning dwindling players as the week progresses), yet gives an option for those who can't play everyday to grind at the end of the week to make up for lost SP.

Also option #1 really shouldn't have "rollover" in the name, because unless you are talking about each week's SP being rolled over to the next week, then there is no rollover occurring at all. It's simply a "weekly SP cap".

I suggest removing the term rollover from option #1, as it could be misleading and isn't accurate.

democracy is two wolves and a sheep, voting on what is for dinner. Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.

A sensible solution would be both a cap and no cap. to accomplish this, cap skill points earned from skirmish and ambush weekly or bi-monthly to account for everyone's lifestyle. Next, allow contracts to award SP, which is not factored into the cap. that sp, could be a simple 1 to 1 ratio with war points earned, and will definitely incentivize more corp battles. allow noobcorp mercs to join contracts for their faction so they aren't left out. lastly keep passive the same.

this option incorporates everyone's vote

democracy is two wolves and a sheep, voting on what is for dinner. Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.

A sensible solution would be both a cap and no cap. to accomplish this, cap skill points earned from skirmish and ambush weekly or bi-monthly to account for everyone's lifestyle. Next, allow contracts to award SP, which is not factored into the cap. that sp, could be a simple 1 to 1 ratio with war points earned, and will definitely incentivize more corp battles. allow noobcorp mercs to join contracts for their faction so they aren't left out. lastly keep passive the same.

this option incorporates everyone's vote

Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.

Weekly roll over means that you have 7 days to get all your SP if you fail to do so after a you have the next week to get them. you fail to get that weeks SP you loose what you failed to obtain.

So basically, whatever you don't get in week 1 you can earn in week 2 + week 2's cap. And after week 2, week 1's SP earnings will disappear and week 3 will have whatever you didn't earn in week 2 plus week 3's cap?

Sorry, but don't think that is what the #1 option is implying/supposed to be. I am pretty sure option #1 is for a weekly cap, and no rollover at all. Meaning you have all week to earn X amount of SP, if you don't earn it, then you lose it forever when the next weeks weekly cap starts.

this idea was stolen from me :P

This poll idea should be implemented in the forums, make decisions easier this way

made my vote, #2.


P.S.
maken tosch, whats your vote on this matter?

The cap is necessary untill the game is officially released. Im so sick of these threads.

@Striosal

It turned out that the rollover has two different variations as mentioned by other posters here. One with just a straight rollover and another with a 1 week rollover that is lost if you don't get it by the end of the following week.

I was wanting to edit the options accordingly, but too many votes have been cast at this point and I don't want to skew the results. Therefore, it is best to just stick with a general rollover option and let CCP decide whether or not to go with the simple rollover or a 1-week rollover.

For all of you guys voting 5 there is no way they are going to allow you to go proto over night, that defeats the existing plan for DUST. They've said 7 years to go from day one to fully invested in all options (which is FAR too little time, EVE for example is 35 years.) Expect "no SP cap," to be a another time consuming proverbial step back.

No sp cap. But daily sp bonus pool. So your 1st 24,000 sp is earned at 3 times the rate. Most mmos have this feature

The cap is necessary untill the game is officially released. Im so sick of these threads.

This is too frequently forgotten.


Instead of driving your Porsche at unrestricted speeds but being forced to stop and spend the night in a motel every 50 miles, you can drive all day and night but you will be given a beat up Gremlin that can only hit 25 mph. That's constant progression, but at a pace that would have you murder your fellow travelers if it were a real road trip.

Nah, SP cap more closely resembles a speed limit. No one wants some jackass going 120 MPH down a residential street.

Yes, it IS a cap on distance. SP = distance traveled on the skill highway. You get so many miles per day, and you can get them in 90 minutes or 240 minutes. After that you stop at a motel for the night.

No cap means you MUST introduce a speed limit if you want to limit the total distance traveled in a day if someone can drive all day long. Make no mistake about it, CCP isn't giving up on limiting the rate of your progress.

So what happens is that everyone gets a 25 mph speed limit to keep you from making it from New York to San Francisco in a week. The folks who can't drive all day and night won't make it out of New York State for a month unless they hire a Chinese driver to take the wheel while they sleep.

Yes, it IS a cap on distance. SP = distance traveled on the skill highway. You get so many miles per day, and you can get them in 90 minutes or 240 minutes. After that you stop at a motel for the night.

No cap means you MUST introduce a speed limit if you want to limit the total distance traveled in a day if someone can drive all day long. Make no mistake about it, CCP isn't giving up on limiting the rate of your progress.

So what happens is that everyone gets a 25 mph speed limit to keep you from making it from New York to San Francisco in a week. The folks who can't drive all day and night won't make it out of New York State for a month unless they hire a Chinese driver to take the wheel while they sleep.