DUST Search - [VOTE IN PROGRESS] To cap or not to cap. That is the question.

CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:

I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.

The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.

Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.

We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.

Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.

We look forward to hearing from you!


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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:03:00 - [1] - Quote Let's put it to a vote. I have five options listed in the posts below. Vote for one or the other by clicking their respective like buttons. Post#1 - Weekly SP Cap with roll over Post#2 - Daily SP Cap with roll over Post#3 - Current SP Cap (daily with no roll over) Post#4 - Eve Online's SP progression system (1SP/sec) Post#5 - No SP cap at all Simple as that. Vote below with just a simple click of the "like" button. Yes, this is in reference to the recent threadnaught. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52352&find=unread ===original idea by Sota Pop=== ===Update=== Thank you all for participating in this thread and for keeping it up in the front page for all to see and join. Let's keep it up for a few days to see if everyone else (at least those who bother to read the forums to contribute) can see this thread and place their vote. I also like to thank you all for keeping it civil. I was afraid this thread would turn into an all-out bar fight between a drunk Thor and an angry Hulk. Kudos to you all. ===Update #2=== I like to remind everyone of one important detail. CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed. The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation. Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk. We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary. Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first. We look forward to hearing from you! Notice the highlighted bit? This means that the decision is not set in stone. They are waiting for our opinion on the matter. Therefore, voice your opinion by casting a vote via the options below. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247 ===Update #3=== It has come to my attention that many of you are casting your votes as replies to the topic. I do hope you read my instructions and click the corresponding "like" buttons below as that is my only requirement. Your posts with just a number on it will NOT count as a cast vote. If you have not done so already when you posted your number, please see the next 5 posts listed below and click the like button on whichever you support.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:03:00 - [2] - Quote #1
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:04:00 - [3] - Quote #2
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:04:00 - [4] - Quote #3
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:04:00 - [5] - Quote #4
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:04:00 - [6] - Quote #5
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:13:00 - [7] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: this idea was stolen from me :P Sorry. Perhaps if you posted first as soon as you thought of it. But I'll give you credit for the idea anyways.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:18:00 - [8] - Quote Yagihige wrote: #2 You don't have to say which you voted. You probably already posted your view in the other thread I referenced. I just need you to click any of the "like" buttons. That's all. But thanks for posting your opinion.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:20:00 - [9] - Quote Ok, it looks like we're on a roll here. The votes are starting to come in more often. Keep voting, people.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:23:00 - [10] - Quote @C Saunders You're lucky you're immortal or else I would stab you for figuring out my master plan. twists his mustache

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:28:00 - [11] - Quote @Nightbird I understand your point. But this thread is to see what the majority of the players want via "likes" alone.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 15:37:00 - [12] - Quote Bump.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 18:24:00 - [13] - Quote Holy krabby patties! I just left a few hours ago to run some errands and hang out with my girlfriend only to come here and see my thread hit four pages. WoW And as for the voting. Now that is progress right there. Tally so far at the time of this post: #1 - 30 #2 - 61 #3 - 4 #4 - 18 #5 - 19 Looks like a solid majority is leaning towards Daily SP cap with rollover. @Jayquan18 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52365 I hope this helps.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 18:30:00 - [14] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: BigussDikkuss wrote: C Saunders wrote: bet you'll like getting all these likes.. Post #1 - Weekly SP Cap. I'm not falling for your "They Like me! They REALLY like ME!" plan I do not know what is more sad. Persons that care about how many likes they get or other persons that care about how many likes other people are getting. Humm? I see one problem here. Since when do "likes" matter to me outside the context of this thread?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 18:57:00 - [15] - Quote Alright everyone. At this point, the NDA is officially lifted and we can all spill the beans to everyone. As an added bonus, the forums dwellers of Eve Online are now watching this thread and I hope CCP is looking at this too. This is a very important vote that we are having, so let's try to keep it civil. Thank you.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:01:00 - [16] - Quote @BMStubby It doesn't matter at this point. The thread needs to stay focused on the vote at hand. Remember to keep this civil. I'm talking to everyone here.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:08:00 - [17] - Quote @Everyone who posted numbers. I hope you read my initial post thoroughly when I said you only need to click the "like" button next to the corresponding number that you support. But thanks for voicing yourselves.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:11:00 - [18] - Quote @Volgair Your #7 post needs to be changed. I'm afraid it might skew the results or might cause people to accidentally "like" it if they meant for #5. Can you be so kind and change it? Please and thank you. EDIT: I appreciate your gesture to help me out.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:20:00 - [19] - Quote @Sontie If the topic is in the wrong section, then the GM is free to move it to its appropriate section. We are five pages in and so far that hasn't happened.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:25:00 - [20] - Quote My original post has been updated to include an important detail.

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:45:00 - [21] - Quote Current result at the time of this posting: #1 - 40 #2 - 75 #3 - 4 #4 - 19 #5 - 19 Not much has changed for options 4 and 5. However, options 1 and 2 are way up there. As for 3, looks like almost no one likes the current system we have or perhaps they feel it needs to be tweaked a bit. We still have a few more days though to see how this goes. Keep it up folks.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:53:00 - [22] - Quote Remember everyone. You need to click the "like" button next to the options listed. Posting your number as a reply is not enough.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 19:56:00 - [23] - Quote Deveshi wrote: The depressing thing is a vote like this is somewhat pointless. Its to easy to create a new account and change the results. If CCP want accurate feedback on something this important they should put a poll at the initial loading screen of the game and force people to vote before they can load any further. Of course, they would probably need to add a 'Don't care' option if this were the case. That doesn't address the problem with an individual creating 100 unique emails (mostly throw-away accounts) just to create 100 accounts. Every voting system in the history of the human race has always proven to be flawed in some way due to the threat of people wanting to skew results in their favor. This is the best poll I can come up with given the circumstance and I don't think it would make a difference if CCP ran an official pole.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:22:00 - [24] - Quote Lorilai Libertas wrote: Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community. But without voting on an opinion, no one would be sure as to what to do. Without voting, there would just be speculation. CCP needs to know what the majority of the players feel. At least those players that at least bother to read the forums and try to contribute. Those that don't contribute don't get sympathy from me as they chose to be quiet and thus chose to be alienated. EDIT: You're idea seems practical, but I'm not sure about the SP for corp battles.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:51:00 - [25] - Quote Remember folks. Let's keep this civil and simple. If you want to have a discussion, please continue posting on the threadnaught I referenced in my initial post.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.23 01:13:00 - [26] - Quote Current Results at the time of this posting: #1 - 51 #2 - 114 #3 - 4 #4 - 27 #5 - 30 Remember people, click the "like" button next to the option that you support. I will NOT count any vote you cast as a post. You need to click the "like" button in order for your vote to be counted. Why? Because I don't want to be bothered with having to constantly count each individual post across 7 pages just to estimate.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.23 02:01:00 - [27] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: This poll idea should be implemented in the forums, make decisions easier this way made my vote, #2. P.S. maken tosch, whats your vote on this matter? Before I say anything, I just like to point out that I am unable to count my own vote since I am hosting this pole. But outside this thread, I support either a daily SP cap with rollover which seems to make the most sense or the Eve Online style of SP progression which is what I have grown accustomed to over the years as I play Eve Online even now. Thank you for asking.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.23 02:11:00 - [28] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: The cap is necessary untill the game is officially released. Im so sick of these threads. We are now in the official release because Dust is now open beta. Since we are now in open beta we will remain in open beta for the next 10 years just like Eve Online. Welcome to permanent beta. CCP's definition of an official release.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.23 02:24:00 - [29] - Quote @Striosal It turned out that the rollover has two different variations as mentioned by other posters here. One with just a straight rollover and another with a 1 week rollover that is lost if you don't get it by the end of the following week. I was wanting to edit the options accordingly, but too many votes have been cast at this point and I don't want to skew the results. Therefore, it is best to just stick with a general rollover option and let CCP decide whether or not to go with the simple rollover or a 1-week rollover.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.23 02:38:00 - [30] - Quote My original post has been updated once again. Please read the bottom of that original post.