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Volgair
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:22:00 -
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Sontie wrote:The Devs have stated that they pay more attention to the suggestion sub forum than general, and that they want a new thread for each new idea/ support of old idea/ feedback. So this is just for our sake?
If nothing else this should be referable at a later date as evidence that we attempted to project our opinion... Even if it boils down to an "I told you so." |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:25:00 -
[92] - Quote
My original post has been updated to include an important detail. |
Dino Malice
Conspiratus Immortalis
24
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:25:00 -
[93] - Quote
#1 |
matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:26:00 -
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#1 is most amenable but #4 is fine by me as an EVE guy as well isk is only made by playing matches and that's enough |
sargeant mike wolfe
Doomheim
6
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:31:00 -
[95] - Quote
#5 |
Zahle Undt
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
19
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:44:00 -
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#4 option would never work for your average console/FPS player. They need the instant gratification. BTW I voted #2 but 1 or 2 would work for me. |
El Brineth
BetaMax.
12
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:44:00 -
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I would like to see some kind of rollover cap attempted before the idea gets totally scrapped. #2 for me. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:45:00 -
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Current result at the time of this posting:
#1 - 40
#2 - 75
#3 - 4
#4 - 19
#5 - 19
Not much has changed for options 4 and 5. However, options 1 and 2 are way up there. As for 3, looks like almost no one likes the current system we have or perhaps they feel it needs to be tweaked a bit.
We still have a few more days though to see how this goes. Keep it up folks. |
vmlinuz78
Les Baleines sous Graviers
1
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:49:00 -
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#1
Thanks |
Rugudorull Apophicyria
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
11
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:50:00 -
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#1 |
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DonRodie
Deep Space Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:50:00 -
[101] - Quote
#2 |
DonRodie
Deep Space Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:52:00 -
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I think people want to become super powerful so the game becomes unplayable for other people which is dumb in my op |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:52:00 -
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The depressing thing is a vote like this is somewhat pointless.
Its to easy to create a new account and change the results. If CCP want accurate feedback on something this important they should put a poll at the initial loading screen of the game and force people to vote before they can load any further.
Of course, they would probably need to add a 'Don't care' option if this were the case. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:53:00 -
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Remember everyone. You need to click the "like" button next to the options listed. Posting your number as a reply is not enough. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:56:00 -
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Deveshi wrote:The depressing thing is a vote like this is somewhat pointless.
Its to easy to create a new account and change the results. If CCP want accurate feedback on something this important they should put a poll at the initial loading screen of the game and force people to vote before they can load any further.
Of course, they would probably need to add a 'Don't care' option if this were the case.
That doesn't address the problem with an individual creating 100 unique emails (mostly throw-away accounts) just to create 100 accounts. Every voting system in the history of the human race has always proven to be flawed in some way due to the threat of people wanting to skew results in their favor. This is the best poll I can come up with given the circumstance and I don't think it would make a difference if CCP ran an official pole. |
Enkidu Camuel
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:04:00 -
[106] - Quote
#2 |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Deveshi wrote:The depressing thing is a vote like this is somewhat pointless.
Its to easy to create a new account and change the results. If CCP want accurate feedback on something this important they should put a poll at the initial loading screen of the game and force people to vote before they can load any further.
Of course, they would probably need to add a 'Don't care' option if this were the case. That doesn't address the problem with an individual creating 100 unique emails (mostly throw-away accounts) just to create 100 accounts. Every voting system in the history of the human race has always proven to be flawed in some way due to the threat of people wanting to skew results in their favor. This is the best poll I can come up with given the circumstance and I don't think it would make a difference if CCP ran an official pole.
I'm not critising your actions, had I of thought about it first I would have probably done the same.
My post simply outlines issues with the system that you've agreed upon, and that people should not consider the results of this poll as a completely accurate representation of the views of the Dust population at large.
A quick lesson in objectivity for those who hadn't considered it.
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:10:00 -
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Definitely voted for #2, best of both worlds. Keeps the hardcore players from reaching the cap in a day or two, then not showing their faces until the next week (meaning dwindling players as the week progresses), yet gives an option for those who can't play everyday to grind at the end of the week to make up for lost SP.
Also option #1 really shouldn't have "rollover" in the name, because unless you are talking about each week's SP being rolled over to the next week, then there is no rollover occurring at all. It's simply a "weekly SP cap".
I suggest removing the term rollover from option #1, as it could be misleading and isn't accurate. |
Lorilai Libertas
the Aurum Grinder and Company
20
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:10:00 -
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democracy is two wolves and a sheep, voting on what is for dinner. Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.
A sensible solution would be both a cap and no cap. to accomplish this, cap skill points earned from skirmish and ambush weekly or bi-monthly to account for everyone's lifestyle. Next, allow contracts to award SP, which is not factored into the cap. that sp, could be a simple 1 to 1 ratio with war points earned, and will definitely incentivize more corp battles. allow noobcorp mercs to join contracts for their faction so they aren't left out. lastly keep passive the same.
this option incorporates everyone's vote |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:17:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Definitely voted for #2, best of both worlds. Keeps the hardcore players from reaching the cap in a day or two, then not showing their faces until the next week (meaning dwindling players as the week progresses), yet gives an option for those who can't play everyday to grind at the end of the week to make up for lost SP.
Also option #1 really shouldn't have "rollover" in the name, because unless you are talking about each week's SP being rolled over to the next week, then there is no rollover occurring at all. It's simply a "weekly SP cap".
I suggest removing the term rollover from option #1, as it could be misleading and isn't accurate.
Weekly roll over means that you have 7 days to get all your SP if you fail to do so after a you have the next week to get them. you fail to get that weeks SP you loose what you failed to obtain.
daily rollover means you have say 4 days to get your SP. Starting from day 1, on day 5 if you failed to play the potential SP from day one would be lost. |
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ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:18:00 -
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*6 |
NAV HIV
The Generals
151
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:19:00 -
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Lorilai Libertas wrote:democracy is two wolves and a sheep, voting on what is for dinner. Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.
A sensible solution would be both a cap and no cap. to accomplish this, cap skill points earned from skirmish and ambush weekly or bi-monthly to account for everyone's lifestyle. Next, allow contracts to award SP, which is not factored into the cap. that sp, could be a simple 1 to 1 ratio with war points earned, and will definitely incentivize more corp battles. allow noobcorp mercs to join contracts for their faction so they aren't left out. lastly keep passive the same.
this option incorporates everyone's vote
+1
A very sensible solution indeed. We would see more players taking contracts then and getting rewards and incentives accordingly. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:21:00 -
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Lorilai Libertas wrote:democracy is two wolves and a sheep, voting on what is for dinner. Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.
A sensible solution would be both a cap and no cap. to accomplish this, cap skill points earned from skirmish and ambush weekly or bi-monthly to account for everyone's lifestyle. Next, allow contracts to award SP, which is not factored into the cap. that sp, could be a simple 1 to 1 ratio with war points earned, and will definitely incentivize more corp battles. allow noobcorp mercs to join contracts for their faction so they aren't left out. lastly keep passive the same.
this option incorporates everyone's vote
Amen!+1 |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:22:00 -
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Lorilai Libertas wrote: Having an opinion which may be considered by the developers is one thing, voting on an opinion is sure to alienate a portion of the community.
But without voting on an opinion, no one would be sure as to what to do. Without voting, there would just be speculation. CCP needs to know what the majority of the players feel. At least those players that at least bother to read the forums and try to contribute. Those that don't contribute don't get sympathy from me as they chose to be quiet and thus chose to be alienated.
EDIT:
You're idea seems practical, but I'm not sure about the SP for corp battles. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
10
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:39:00 -
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Post#5 - No SP cap at all
About post#4. I would love that and would totally do it but it won't work. Were attracting FPS players a much larger group not eve players. FPS players would not like this system FPS games are not patience rewarding and there also pick up and play. Think what happens when you explain eve to someone who you want to play. Its always in my mind wondering if they will accept the SP system or not. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:42:00 -
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#5
Don't really see what the problem is, some play more some play less even so with the current system those who have played for longer have a heavy advantage over those who haven't. Meaning the game will be unfair no matter which option CCP chooses.
Might as well give the new players a bit of a boost to play more to catch the vets or at least get the relevant skills to manage. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:51:00 -
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Remember folks. Let's keep this civil and simple. If you want to have a discussion, please continue posting on the threadnaught I referenced in my initial post. |
TheWee BabySeamus
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
3
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:52:00 -
[118] - Quote
#1 |
Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
103
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:07:00 -
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Credit to OP for taking the initiative to make a poll, bump. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
263
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:09:00 -
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#4 but with wp-sp gains added and capped |
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