Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.

Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.

I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.

...I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.

Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.

Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.

I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.

Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights?

No.

Ah, accuracy should affect the target.

Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.

Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.

I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.

Counter strike
Doom
Quake
well, pretty much everything before COD

are you new?

No.

Coulda fooled me lol

If you want an idea like this to pass you must give valid physical reasonings. I can't think of a single one where "aiming" causes the bullet to dig deeper into the enemy.

Saying something is mainly hip fire just because people prefer to shoot from the hip is different. Some people shoot from the hip even if an aim reward is available. I'm just saying accuracy should count for something. Even the effort to be more accurate should count.

Yeah, glad to know I'm noticed around here.

The entire military industry is based around a more accurate bullet. The future will always be dedicated to that aim. Now ask yourself why.

In this game I've killed a guy shooting his foot that was poking out a crack in the wall. I'm saying he shouldn't die at the same rate if I shoot him in the chest or head.

This guys suggestion isn't completely unreasonable.

When we hit open beta, you will know the meaning of unreasonable suggestions.

I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim.

You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what.

In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly.

If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy.

You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what.

In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly.

If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy.

I want to know CCP's plans for ammo types. I always considered they would add different ammo types - but couldn't imagine how to balance it.

i think he's more referring to the fact that you want [more damage] for aiming down sights, not the issue of accuracy

yes, but unfortunately doing more damage because you line up the three ticks the iron sights have makes precious little sense. Unless you're lining up a headshot.

Both, but I'd be satisfied with accuracy.

In other games aim down the sights counts for more, and I personally like it.

Awesome - who said accuracy doesn't matter? All I'm saying is your idea has very very very little merit. The only thing you've said I can back is that shooting someone in the foot shouldn't = chest shot.

And you'll see me in game one day. Don't worry. ^_^

are you new?

What game adds bonus damage for trying to be more accurate? Sounds insane to me.

I want to know which games add this bonus damage.

You THINK? wtf? You based your entire argument on games you THINK do this?

Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.

Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.

I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.

Yeah, its been awhile since I've played either.

This is why protoman asked if you were new. Your thread was missing everything. Information and detail is important when bringing up these ideas - and you have none. You don't have any facts, all you have is assumptions. Probably why this wasn't moved to feedback - not enough information accompanied this post to be relevant as anything productive besides general banter. Which in turn may lead to actual feed back - so I'm not trolling you on creating this thread. Just how your doing it.

Sorry if I seem like a **** - it's late, probably moody, forgive me, but you walked into a school of pariahs without checking any information.

I am not assuming. I have played those other games a lot, and aiming was a factor.

Like I've said, there are some people who swear by hip fire. I don't think they should have a say about people who aim. Because they wouldn't aim more or less with a slight reward for aiming.

There some people like me who have to aim, if anything, because I've done this in those other games.

No problem with your tude. I do assume people usually only respond if they disagree. That is the net. Bickering.

Dude, if you weren't bickering before, you are now. Especially when you start nit picking words. Not to mention you have this air of some professional debater, (illustrate your examples!) which you're not. Never mind, I doubt you've played many other shooters, if you have, then you haven't been paying attention.

Well, I have played other shooters and people hip fire in this game more than any other shooter I've seen, Including COD.

That's cool, now where's the logic and facts. Stop attacking me and start defending your thread. "Oh but I've played other games." Is very weak.

How many more times do I need to tell you how illogical you are? Can you dispute ANYTHING? Maybe you should stop before your ahead before i get more "Professional." Which apparently to you means talking to you logically.

You're not any more logical than anyone else. Stop demanding things you plan to pick apart anyway.

Factoid freak.

Please stop posting before an imperfect sees this thread and turns you into fodder. I'm at least trying to show you you're wrong, they'll just flat out tell you how utterly stupid you are and get good newb.

Cause really, you don't consider the implications at all. What about HMG's? They're hip fire weapons, but they can aim, do they get the bonus too? How would the bonus factor in with mods? HOW DOES THE BONUS EVEN MAKE PHYSICAL SENSE?

You're not thinking, you're talking, then calling me out. I'm sad, hurt, and betrayed. But mostly amused since no one has openly shared there stupidity with me at this level so I can troll this hard :D

and lol @ games you played that you THINK do things a certain way. You're a joke, go away. >_>

First of all, I don't value your opinion. You haven't answered whether you've played other FPS. You're not thinking either.

OMG, physical sense! STFU.

Nerd.

When it's clear someone just wants to argue, I don't waste time trying to convince them of anything, supplying them with logic that can be attacked at it's weak point, You'll just focus on the weakest part of the argument and ignore the rest.

What rest? You haven't stated a rest. You've stated why people shouldn't have an opinion, that you only use aim it should get buffed, and why you think I'm an azz. lol You haven't stated anything, if I missed something, please tell me.

I know your type already, so I'm not interested in talking to you anymore. You're not going to change your mind no matter what I say. You're not man enough to change your mind or admit your wrong, or even comprise. You're some young jerk.

Tip, respond to things you agree with, save your energy.

Save your energy and never post again. If you only want positive feedback then go talk to your mommy about your ideas. You never gave any facts, never any detail, nothing. I don't even know why I bother to respond other then my enjoyment at this point of calling you a complete moron.

Your idea blows and you refuse - you actually REFUSE - to bring up anything that logically directs your opinion of a game change to be amicably included into the game. I don't know if you have down syndrome and you're just not capable of properly explaining yourself or I pushed too hard and your emotions are too out of whack now to think straight.

Either way - please, go away. Opinions are fine, but when you become so defensive that you refuse to explain anything further you become nothing more then trash.

Enjoy yourself.

What makes you think your opinion is better. I think you're stupid too, but do I actually expect you to think that of yourself just because I said it. No. But you would.

I let you think I have down syndrome. I don't care.


I'll talk to my mommy about my ideas, if you take some more beatings from your father.

Came in looking to troll...

left disappointed...

Argument had already devolved to "No, YOU! No, YOU! No, YOU! No, YOU! No, YOU! No, YOU!" without help.

I hate it when people are dumb without provocation.

of course I'm comparing dust to other games. If a player is in this for the long haul they will have to overlook new releases of other games. I want Dust to be better than other shooters. Or at least do what most of them do already.

The fact that bonuses are given in other games for shooting someone while aiming is obviously enough logic to implement it by the game designers who have a better idea what gamers want.


You still haven't said if your used to playing other FPS. I suspect you are not.

I hate it when people assume to know the intellect of another person over the internet.

Sir you are assuming I CARE about the intellect of another person over the internet.

I'm going to call them stupid anyway. The question is whether I'll be diplomatic about it.

Firstly - sorry break, It did devolve now that I read back quiet a bit - but I'm fine with it lol.

Second: There's not an FPS since golden eye I haven't played. Besides Halo 2 and 3. And some weird MMO FPS PC games lol, sure there's some others too, but all the tripple A title games I've played. Again, as I stated before, I don't see how that matters at all. An idiot could walk into this thread and tell you your logic is off. Bullets doing more damage because you aim? It's non-sense. More bullets LAND because you aim, which causes more damage over-all, but that doesn't increase each individual shot like your saying.

Now I demand you support your logic with valid arguments before I troll all your threads into oblivion for getting me this involved.

You win. I'm stupid. My mother dropped me on my head. I wont post here anymore.

Spoken like a true Forum Warrior

Don't worry. I'm not much more polite in real life either. getting popped in the mouth for being a smartass is rated pretty low on my scale of fears.

the effort to be more accurate should count.

It already counts dude, if you are accurate more shots hit the targets and it dies faster.

Didn't I already get the OP to admit his mom dropped him on his head?

Threads dead.

True. but the other option is to turn on you like a pack of blood-crazed sharks now.

Sounds fun to me.

Sounds like I need to get my camera - bout to get kinky up in hurr.

You wouldn't have sex with a shark. That's not logical. That's not logical. That's not logical.

Where's the logic?

Thread is still alive.

This guys suggestion isn't completely unreasonable.

When we hit open beta, you will know the meaning of unreasonable suggestions.

Post of the day.

I would like to see less recoil on ADS or more recoil for hipfiring....one of the two.

Even if there is no hit bonus to an aimed shot, this is first shooter where I feel at a disadvantage against a hip fire enemy. I don't know why, maybe its the jerky player movement.

Some people are good at hip fire. I am not, so I am biased toward the aim bonus. Not to mention better sights. Like a juicy red dot.

7 out of 10 times a person hip firing will lose against someone whose aiming. The advantage of hip firing is quicker aiming movement. Seeing as this thread only really talks about AR, HMG, SMG, as they're the only 'hip fire weapons' with any lethality - you'll notice how 2 out of 3 are CQC.

AR's spread is just fine - you'll lose every encounter if you try to hip fire your way through.

>_> I don't even know what to say anymore.

Get good really seems to fit this situation. How the heck are you losing against hip fire? >_>

While I think that ratio (7/10) is usually true, and should be true, I think it's less true with this game.

It's very true. Hip firing is awful against anything but heavies or idiots walking down a straight path. Or other idiots who can't see someone working a corner using hip-fire to slowly bring down an enemy.

Even if you use an SMG - you're better off aiming. Only the HMG uses hip fire like a pro - but aiming even pumps up that DPS.

and uh - you should always be moving in a gun fight.

You wouldn't have sex with a shark. That's not logical. That's not logical. That's not logical.

Where's the logic?

Thread is still alive.

Congratulations!!!!! :) You sir are, by farther than the furthest farness, the most irrelevant Poster I have seen on here. So much so as to warrant my 1st Post ever on the DUST 514 Forum.......

For the sake of argument I begin by stating my Gaming Skillset is quite diverse while maintaining proficiency overall. To list a few of the many Multiplayer FPS Titles I have experience with (The ones I prefer riddled w/ some less preferred "Mainstream" Shooters), Killzone (1-3), Battlefield (1-3, BC1&2, 1942), CoD (All Non-Handheld), MAG, & DUST 514. Those are the Pure FPS I can remember off the top as there are many misconceptions of the FPS Genre that are classified best as a whole as Shooters (Ex: Metal Gear Online (1&2&PW/PO+) is a Hybrid, Uncharted (1-3) is a 3PS, CounterStrike (Pre & Post SRC) & Socom (1-CA, CT) are Hipfire Crosshair Shooters [Halo falls under this category as well]).

I could go on and on.....but I digress. On to the "Meat & Potatoes" of my Post:

In NONE of said, & likely unsaid, Titles do you EVER get a Damage Multiplier for ADS. ADS ALWAYS grants Accuracy Increase at the cost of Mobility. Hipfire does the Polar Opposite of this Formula. Crouching & Prone widen the Gap in favor of Accuracy. You must be the Duncecap Awarded Lemming who opts to ADS @ Melee/Shotgun Range...... This holds true for EVERY FPS available on the market. You should start a movement for Melee/Shotty Range Crouch ADSers b/c you are obliviously so GOD Tier @ FPS, so much so as to present yourself as a"Benchmark" for us all. Continue to be my Well Uninformed KdR Meat, KthxBAI :P

Congratulations!!!!! :) You sir are, by farther than the furthest farness, the most irrelevant Poster I have seen on here. So much so as to warrant my 1st Post ever on the DUST 514 Forum.......

For the sake of argument I begin by stating my Gaming Skillset is quite diverse while maintaining proficiency overall. To list a few of the many Multiplayer FPS Titles I have experience with (The ones I prefer riddled w/ some less preferred "Mainstream" Shooters), Killzone (1-3), Battlefield (1-3, BC1&2, 1942), CoD (All Non-Handheld), MAG, & DUST 514. Those are the Pure FPS I can remember off the top as there are many misconceptions of the FPS Genre that are classified best as a whole as Shooters (Ex: Metal Gear Online (1&2&PW/PO+) is a Hybrid, Uncharted (1-3) is a 3PS, CounterStrike (Pre & Post SRC) & Socom (1-CA, CT) are Hipfire Crosshair Shooters [Halo falls under this category as well]).

I could go on and on.....but I digress. On to the "Meat & Potatoes" of my Post:

In NONE of said, & likely unsaid, Titles do you EVER get a Damage Multiplier for ADS. ADS ALWAYS grants Accuracy Increase at the cost of Mobility. Hipfire does the Polar Opposite of this Formula. Crouching & Prone widen the Gap in favor of Accuracy. You must be the Duncecap Awarded Lemming who opts to ADS @ Melee/Shotgun Range...... This holds true for EVERY FPS available on the market. You should start a movement for Melee/Shotty Range Crouch ADSers b/c you are obliviously so GOD Tier @ FPS, so much so as to present yourself as a"Benchmark" for us all. Continue to be my Well


Enough with the insults to my intelligence. You don't know me.

But on topic, do you aim less, more, or the same than those other games? If you say the same, then I'll concede. If it's less, then there has to be a reason for it. Jerky movement?

So which is it, for you.




Uninformed KdR Meat, KthxBAI :P

LMAO. Okay - I'll try not to make fun of your intelligence that lead you to type your post in someone elses qoutes lol

But I say I tend to aim more. I'm an AR heavy for the most part - so if people don't die quick to me so I can move on I'm in trouble lol CoD kills are too easy, KZ didn't ever need to aim, BF3... well most are just like CoD - bunch of kids. Good players will always force you to aim.

You left the letter (s) off the word leads, that must mean you're borderline ********. See, it goes both ways.

Anyway, I'm in the minority on this, so i give up. I still think more damage should be on an aimed shot, but if I'm the only one that wants that, it won't happen.

And despite what the experienced shooter said above, I know at least one of those games gave more damage to an aimed shot. It may have been MAG. Either way, I don't have exact proof, so crush me for it. I'm not imagining it.

Then google is your answer. If it's not there - it never was. A topic like that would have a forum somewhere talking about it. That's not a subject serious FPS'ers would ignore.

This thread is now considered another "QQ BUFF ME I SUCK." Thread.

Dude, I remember when I came across the info that the aim shot counted more, I was happy because that was my preference to start with and made the decision to do it more because of that.

You don't control what my thread is. You suck.

And this is my last post on this thread. Good luck with the actual trolls. They'll be lovin' your fresh hide.

What can I say, I aim less in this game and I don't like it. There has to be a reason for it. I dislike hip fire. And no I don't aim within shot gun range.

I Hipfire less in this Title. ADS + Range + Position x Skill = Kill. Everything is Situational so the actual Statistics are Map + Engagement Scenario Dependent. You expect "Common Cortesy" after being the Jack-Off who discredits/disregards someone else's Post b/c you "ASSUME" them to be an EVE Player on their 1st FPS, & then persist due to assumed "Lack of stated FPS Experience" to satisfy your EGO (As misplaced as it is at that.....) I provided all, you presented Nil. Go Melee/Shotty Range ADS a Heavy HMG F2F & leave the Logic & Suggestions to those better suited to not come across as an Irrelevant Trolltard, KthxBAI.

I hope you go to hell and die. Eat ****. You post is a bunch mashed up junk. Like you don't satisfy your own Ego.

ASSUME, look I'm yelling over the internet.

Okay I'll bite I have played quite a few FPS over the last 4 to 5 years from CoD 4 to BO2, then BFBC2 to B3, KZ2+3, some old school stuff like the original MOHs, and a few other independent games like section 8.

In these games I have never noticed a bonus from ADS as far as damage per bullet goes. Now I have noticed a difference in damage as far as DPS goes do to increased accuracy. The increase in DPS is supposed to be the bonus for aiming down the sights.

If someone thinks that the AR is accurate at hip fire you should have seen it in Codex it out did the SMG everyday of the week. This was adjusted after some people posted in feedback stating that it should be looked at.

Lastly there was a comment on damage % on different parts of the body. In every game I have played with the exception of BF to date do not have this except for head shot multipliers. But in this game adding something like this would be weird. In the games I mentioned if you took a bullet to you leg or foot you would get hurt and, maybe die but you would probably not without consistent fire like it was you body because it is equal damage there. In this game though we are protected by shields and armor, well on smaller parts there can only be minimal shielding and less armor do to physics, so you should take more damage here same for the hands as well. Then you have to put in this make it match the hit box for all suit styles and hope it does not effect the latency of the game. Over all that is to much for right now just like ballistics is not in here yet but I wish it was and I will wait for the day that they say no we are not or yes it is coming.(I think there is ballistics on the experimental sniper rifle but I rarely snipe so useless to me.)

Not to troll but your idea is based around your play style and how you want the game to benefit you not how the game should be balanced for all play styles equally. Also the games that you mentioned earlier are very old and I was unaware that there was an ADS in 3/4 of them I no there was none in quake 1, don't remember them in doom(PC original never played Xbox version), and never played counter strike(I think you posted this one not sure now it was five pages ago). So in the long run your idea is not bad but I don't feel it would make this game any better overall.

Yes, I agree it is more of a personal preference, but so is much of what people request or base their perception of over powered opposition on. Anyway, some of the best players say to learn to hip fire better, so I guess now is the time to try.

Are they already here I'm assuming you must be new