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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:45:00 -
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Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:47:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.
Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights?
No. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:48:00 -
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not sure if srs.... |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:48:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:
...I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.
Counter strike Doom Quake well, pretty much everything before COD |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:49:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.
Are they already here I'm assuming you must be new ![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:50:00 -
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Montezumas Revenge wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter. Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights? No.
Ah, accuracy should affect the target. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:51:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Montezumas Revenge wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter. Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights? No. Ah, accuracy should affect the target.
are you new? |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:55:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.
Damage is the same, accuracy sharply improves. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:56:00 -
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Ryanki wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:
...I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter.
Counter strike Doom Quake well, pretty much everything before COD
KZ2 was mainly hip-fire too. ADS was only used for long distance shots.
I rather enjoy the pretty decent hip-fire accuracy in Dust, and ADS for those accurate headshots and concentrated fire when needed.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:05:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Montezumas Revenge wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter. Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights? No. Ah, accuracy should affect the target. are you new?
No. |
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Vanda-Kon wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Montezumas Revenge wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter. Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights? No. Ah, accuracy should affect the target. are you new? No. Coulda fooled me lol
If you want an idea like this to pass you must give valid physical reasonings. I can't think of a single one where "aiming" causes the bullet to dig deeper into the enemy. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:09:00 -
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Saying something is mainly hip fire just because people prefer to shoot from the hip is different. Some people shoot from the hip even if an aim reward is available. I'm just saying accuracy should count for something. Even the effort to be more accurate should count. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:11:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:
Coulda fooled me lol
If you want an idea like this to pass you must give valid physical reasonings. I can't think of a single one where "aiming" causes the bullet to dig deeper into the enemy.
The higher height at which one holds the weapon causes the gravity to increase the force of impact of the bullet, or some other such doodoo :P
Vanda-Kon wrote:Saying something is mainly hip fire just because people prefer to shoot from the hip is different. Some people shoot from the hip even if an aim reward is available. I'm just saying accuracy should count for something. Even the effort to be more accurate should count. it does, i generally tend to kill ppl faster while aiming down sights, just cuz im hitting them more often, and have a greater chance of headshots than hip fire, i can also burst fire less and have higher accuracy than at hipfire, i dont think we need INCREASED damage for aiming...since we do get an accuracy bonus |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:14:00 -
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No.[/quote] Coulda fooled me lol
If you want an idea like this to pass you must give valid physical reasonings. I can't think of a single one where "aiming" causes the bullet to dig deeper into the enemy.[/quote]
Yeah, glad to know I'm noticed around here.
The entire military industry is based around a more accurate bullet. The future will always be dedicated to that aim. Now ask yourself why.
In this game I've killed a guy shooting his foot that was poking out a crack in the wall. I'm saying he shouldn't die at the same rate if I shoot him in the chest or head.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:17:00 -
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I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:19:00 -
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This guys suggestion isn't completely unreasonable.
When we hit open beta, you will know the meaning of unreasonable suggestions. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:19:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:
Yeah, glad to know I'm noticed around here.
The entire military industry is based around a more accurate bullet. The future will always be dedicated to that aim. Now ask yourself why.
In this game I've killed a guy shooting his foot that was poking out a crack in the wall. I'm saying he shouldn't die at the same rate if I shoot him in the chest or head.
aiming down sights DOES increase accuracy...but even in real life, simply aiming down the sights won't physically cause more damage than if a random hipfired bullet happened the strike the same area. I still aim down sights when people are farther away, or if I can follow their movements well enough at close range, i don't think it needs to do more damage though, since i still land more bullets on them |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:21:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:This guys suggestion isn't completely unreasonable.
When we hit open beta, you will know the meaning of unreasonable suggestions.
it's why most of us haven't bumped knuckles and cried out "wondertroll powers, ACTIVATE!" |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:21:00 -
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I want to know CCP's plans for ammo types. I always considered they would add different ammo types - but couldn't imagine how to balance it. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:22:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim.
You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what.
In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly.
If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:25:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what. In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly. If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. Awesome - who said accuracy doesn't matter? All I'm saying is your idea has very very very little merit. The only thing you've said I can back is that shooting someone in the foot shouldn't = chest shot.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:26:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what. In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly. If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. i think he's more referring to the fact that you want [more damage] for aiming down sights, not the issue of accuracy |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:29:00 -
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yes, but unfortunately doing more damage because you line up the three ticks the iron sights have makes precious little sense. Unless you're lining up a headshot. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:33:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I want to know CCP's plans for ammo types. I always considered they would add different ammo types - but couldn't imagine how to balance it.
I was actually thinking about this the other day.
Check it out:
Hollow point - Great against shields, but not so great against armor. FMJ - Ok against shields and Ok against armor. Steel rounds - Great against armor, not so great against shields.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:34:00 -
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Ryanki wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what. In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly. If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. i think he's more referring to the fact that you want [more damage] for aiming down sights, not the issue of accuracy
Both, but I'd be satisfied with accuracy.
In other games aim down the sights counts for more, and I personally like it. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:35:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:yes, but unfortunately doing more damage because you line up the three ticks the iron sights have makes precious little sense. Unless you're lining up a headshot.
Then why do they offer this in other shooters? |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:36:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Ryanki wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what. In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly. If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. i think he's more referring to the fact that you want [more damage] for aiming down sights, not the issue of accuracy Both, but I'd be satisfied with accuracy. In other games aim down the sights counts for more, and I personally like it. What game adds bonus damage for trying to be more accurate? Sounds insane to me. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:36:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what. In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly. If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. Awesome - who said accuracy doesn't matter? All I'm saying is your idea has very very very little merit. The only thing you've said I can back is that shooting someone in the foot shouldn't = chest shot. And you'll see me in game one day. Don't worry. ^_^
whatever. I think I've seen you in a tank anyway. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:36:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Montezumas Revenge wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Since the damage is the same as firing from the hip there is a whole lot of dancing going on, jumping monkeys and weaving snakes.
Well, in every FPS I've played aiming down the sight counts for more damage, especially if you get the first bullet hit. This is not the case with Dust.
I'm sure there are players who don't even use sights, which I think is not natural for a shooter. Does a bullet hit harder if you're aiming down the sights? No. Ah, accuracy should affect the target. are you new? why are you always making ill comments? Also Quake and counter strike are not the only games that only use hipfire, there is one super obscure game that no one has mentioned here. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:38:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Ryanki wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I agree... but this post and your original don't match. Military wants a more accurate gun for very obvious reasons. None of it involves the bullet itself doing anything more then moving or swirling *Armor Piercers*. The gun itself delivers the force in which the bullet hurts - not the aim. You are obviously someone who would shoot from the hip no matter what. In real life, shooting from the hip would rarely kill someone with a trained eye on them. Unless you like jumping and spraying wildly. If you dont think accuracy matters, you're crazy. i think he's more referring to the fact that you want [more damage] for aiming down sights, not the issue of accuracy Both, but I'd be satisfied with accuracy. In other games aim down the sights counts for more, and I personally like it. What game adds bonus damage for trying to be more accurate? Sounds insane to me.
I forgot, most Dusters have come from EVE and this is their first shooter and they don't think people who play other shooters have valuable input.
I think Mag and Battlefield . |
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