Is just me or do most gun fights end with the other guy throwing a grenade at your feet? Look I get we have lower ehp suits right now but this is just cheap ass bull**** CCP. I am not QQing about the players that do this because ccp has given them the mechanic and they are using it to their benefit.

When it comes down to it CCP we all want GOOD FIGHTS. To many times I am in a gun fight (winning or losing) and I get a grenade in my direction. Honestly, its the smart thing to do right now since 1 milita grenade (aka fking FREE) can kill most non-heavy suits. Have to say the majority of my deaths have been to blind nade spam or gun fight martyrdom.

My concern also reaches to using aurum items. I used to use them all the damn time but refuse too now because of so many CHEAP deaths. I'm an average fps player so i'm not claiming that I shouldn't die to milita stuff because everything kills me pretty much and its ME, not the gear that is the reason.

I don't know what a good solution is here but a few ideas because I need to put something postive in the thread so nova likes me.

-slower grenade throwing motion
-soon as you go down your nade is a dud
-less damage on low end grenades

PS there better never be a real martyrdom mechanic in dust if you want this game to be taken seriously.

Real Mercs use Flux grenades not focus grenades..

Real Mercs use Flux grenades not focus grenades..

I will leave this here.

I'm pretty sure that suicide bombs were at least being considered. I actually think it could work, provided it was a module with sufficiently high requirements that the bomber's fitting would have to revolve around it. (No tossing it on your assault fitting as a middle finger to CQC combatants.) Also, it would need to be visually represented on your suit (or maybe add a ton to your signature profile) and have friendly fire, so that snipers can detonate you to injure your nearby comrades.

Basically, it could be really cool, but only if worked into the game's risk/reward fitting dynamic. I totally agree that CoD style 'martyrdom' is utter bullcrap.

Regarding grenades: I can see how they would be annoying, but I'm not sure what an elegant solution would be. If the guy is still attempting to survive the encounter, I just rush into CQ and hope that he calculated the proper safe distance for himself. (Not very helpful to a heavy, though.)

Grenades? Powerful weapons that KILL?

Man, I'd imagine every US Marine must be shaking their head at how unrealistic that is.

Seriously though, they're grenades and they're supposed to kill. Don't nerf them, they're useful for a reason - this is war after all.

Also, save your complaining for when they implement Smart Bombs, which description says that it goes off whenever the user dies.

Its not CCPs fault players abuse a feature in a game. It is merely a players cowardice that forces them to do this. As opposed to using a grenade hat it is meant for players use chicken **** tactics to compensate for their inability to match up symbols on two joysticks.

TL;DR : if you find yourself throwing alot of grenades youre a ******. Go play CoD.

This is game play and game play trumps any and all real world bull**** so please take that sorry ass **** reasoning somewhere else.

This game has to support the GUN FIGHTS = GOOD FIGHTS idea. If not there will be no aurum items being used when everything 1 shots people. Players will always gravitate towards weapons/vehicles that give them the best opportunity to succeed for their individual skill level. Hence why spamming nades is the cool kid in school now.

Also you want nade tatics ill give you nade tatics.

step 1 hide in area of elevation or with cover from direct gun fire
step 2 drop nano hive
step 3 throw nades randomly
step 4 gtfo out if here with your real world military **** no one cares

Boo hoo someone found a way to punch through your Heavy's armor. Cry some more, I say. Grenades are not nearly as prevalent of an issue as you make them out to be - hell I'll take my chances with the grenades over the snipers and their "snap back" reticles that return to the position they were in when they were fired.

You're seriously bitching about people using something that works - and what's even more silly is that because it works you want them to be nerfed. This is an endless cycle that is going to persist for a ******* eternity because GOD FOR ******* BID YOU EVER DIED AMIRIGHT?

Quit your bitching and grow a pair.

Boo hoo someone found a way to punch through your Heavy's armor. Cry some more, I say. Grenades are not nearly as prevalent of an issue as you make them out to be - hell I'll take my chances with the grenades over the snipers and their "snap back" reticles that return to the position they were in when they were fired.

You're seriously bitching about people using something that works - and what's even more silly is that because it works you want them to be nerfed. This is an endless cycle that is going to persist for a ******* eternity because GOD FOR ******* BID YOU EVER DIED AMIRIGHT?

Quit your bitching and grow a pair.

Edit: Wait a second - aren't you one of the guys that uses his Militia Heavy and an LAV as a fast transport device to negate the heavy's speed in the first place? Why are you even bitching about grenades then with that cheap ass tactic?

Boo hoo someone found a way to punch through your Heavy's armor. Cry some more, I say. Grenades are not nearly as prevalent of an issue as you make them out to be - hell I'll take my chances with the grenades over the snipers and their "snap back" reticles that return to the position they were in when they were fired.

You're seriously bitching about people using something that works - and what's even more silly is that because it works you want them to be nerfed. This is an endless cycle that is going to persist for a ******* eternity because GOD FOR ******* BID YOU EVER DIED AMIRIGHT?

Quit your bitching and grow a pair.

Edit: Wait a second - aren't you one of the guys that uses his Militia Heavy and an LAV as a fast transport device to negate the heavy's speed in the first place? Why are you even bitching about grenades then with that cheap ass tactic?

Boo hoo someone found a way to punch through your Heavy's armor. Cry some more, I say. Grenades are not nearly as prevalent of an issue as you make them out to be - hell I'll take my chances with the grenades over the snipers and their "snap back" reticles that return to the position they were in when they were fired.

You're seriously bitching about people using something that works - and what's even more silly is that because it works you want them to be nerfed. This is an endless cycle that is going to persist for a ******* eternity because GOD FOR ******* BID YOU EVER DIED AMIRIGHT?

Quit your bitching and grow a pair.

Edit: Wait a second - aren't you one of the guys that uses his Militia Heavy and an LAV as a fast transport device to negate the heavy's speed in the first place? Why are you even bitching about grenades then with that cheap ass tactic?

I dont have a heavy toon this build as I run assault and logi, but my all means continue to attack a fictious me you made up to try to destract from the fact that you have no real argurement. Wait, wasn't that the same reason you were banned from IRC dust channel because of stupid random arguements that ended with you attacking everyone. Yeah same old Aeon

Grenades don't need a nerf. Just needs to go back to the 5 sec timer instead of the 2 sec timer after contact.

When COD grenades take more skill to kill... Something's wrong

Stop your trolling.

Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September.

But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you.

You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself.

Same ****, different person, different day.

Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics.

FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective.

Cheers.

Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective.

It was you banned from IRC back in august for that same stuff you say here. I have never run heavy on free beers not even back in may when i started. So that shows you how stupid you are

you may have thought about joining imperfects but none of us thought about you. There are about 1000 players in dust we would take before you. then we would accept you to just kick you for a laugh

Again you just want to attack people when your lame arguements fail. Lets look at them

1. real military blah blah blah
2. QQ
3. You aren't good
4. grow a pair
5. your inbread blah blah blah
6. your corp blah blah blah

I have come to the conclusion that you are a nade spammer and you are trying to defend your only way to get kills. Any match i have played I have never remember coming across your name when I look at the top players at the end of the match. Thats pretty telling

The other way to fix it would be to take out the nade button and make it an equipment selection button where you can select between nades and other equipment you have

It was an issue when chromosome came out, only difference then was that people were used to using flux and av nades and kept it at that. Once the wipe came around everyone had nothing but militia locus and now we have this grenade spam bs.

yes, i agree with this, they did it to the nova knives and now it needs done to grenades. i'm not saying it'll be fun to use 'nades anymore but this is a simple solution to fix spamming them as they currently are.

New grenades are horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.

Interesting, you don't remember my name but you can recall me getting banned from the IRC...

Tell you what, hit up Nova Knife and ask him if I got banned. He'll tell you otherwise because -it wasn't Aeon Amadi-.

Argument isn't even over the grenades anymore, yet somehow I'm the troll, lol. Gorgeous. Peace out.

I use nade, alot. Logibro Need a way to put the PH33R in your pants :p And it is my way to win when I have my hand full of nanite injector, repair tool, nano hive etc.

I know that you don't like to be kill by Nadepooper. But nade them first and you will win without shooting a bullet.

I play skirmish all the time much faster sp gain that way. I was refering to the fact i never see you at the top of the leader boards at the end of the match.

why dont you log into the the irc dust channel then if you weren't banned? it was you that just argued with everyone and called them names when they didn't agree with your wild and lame ideals of what game play should be.

the reason this turned to you being a troll is because you bring no valid arguement to the discussion and right away turn to attacks instead of making points. Worst part is you are a bad troll.

Honestly, you need to just go play board games or something because dust common sense isn't your friend

If one would look at reall life. (allthough i'm not a soldier.) if i knew i was about to die and i wanted to make sure my enemy died with me, i would toss a grenade. And no offence but grenades kill. you can't expect a game, that is trying to copy possible life(future life) examples and say well sorry, but if someone tossed a grenade at me, i would walk away from it as if i was hit by a baseball. yes we have armor and shields in the game. So all it means is you have a chance of surviving, the bullet or explosive, just like a modern day explosives suit or kevlar. all it does is give you a chance, but it does not mean for surtain, cause you could still die, and these mechanics apply to the game aswell.

So saying nerf this or nerf that is just another way of saying, mister could you please nerf that nuke or m16 rifle its hurting me.

game play > real life. CCP isn't and should be focused on anything real life because there are very few things in dust that are remotely real life.

laser rifle?
forge gun?
rail gun snipers?
flux nades?
nanhives?
injectors?
shields?
armor repping?
clones?
implants?

I could go on but you get my point right. That vast majority of stuff in dust isn't real in todays world. Saying nades should be like they are in real life when everything else isn't does make it a valid arguement.

Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September.

But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you.

You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself.

Same ****, different person, different day.

Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics.

FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective.

Cheers.

As soon as t3h ++ber 1337 p14y3r5 get their proto gear back the complaining will stop. At that point, when they kill a new player or someone running BPOs with a militia grenade, it will be declared skill an the taunts of "get good" will be over abundant. Seriously, a ton of mechanics are being abused/exploited. It's been fun to see with the reset that the stratification of the playerbase's skill isn't as drastic as it first appeared when I joined. Methinks self overestimation of ability is rampant and the culprit for the incredulity of virtual mortality that's been on display since the tenth.

This is terrible >_< All they need is their timer back, nothing else.

Uncharted
Killzone
Medal of Honor
BF3

All games with decent nade mechanics that act a little more than instawin buttons

Sorry to break it to everyone but nades in this game are junk and ppl dont want to admit it because an IMP suggested it. For all the ppl who say they want BALANCE and not BIAS have a funny way of showing it. Fact is most people here see an IMP comment and automatically assume QQ, talk about bias.

I mean the bias is so bad against them that i didnt think much of them until i actually took the time to read some of their posts and talk to them in game.

Fact is Free Beers makes a good point and ppl can't remove their bias against IMP post to see it.

Nades either need a throwback feature, a longer fuse timer, the removal of quick toss, made into a selectable equipment that can be either selected through the wheel or by 2 presses of R2 to switch to primary then secondary then nade(though this would have a huge advantage for mouse users since the scroll wheel can make this change much faster DS3 users can).


Now to me i think nade spam must be reduced with either a reduction in damage/radius of the militia variant or a longer timer. Personally i think the longer timer is the proper solution because without it the M1 locus will be beast, the M1 locus is in fact real beast mainly because of the timer(the damage level for it is fine and warranted).

I have noticed allot more people using grenades. Frankly tho I don't have a problem with it. From the jist of this post and well frankly every post I've seen posted by an imperfects member this build has been "if it's capable of killing an imperfects member it's too effective and needs to be nerfed". I'm not talking **** here, this is just an observation. I might actually agree with you on this if it weren't for the fact that I played just about every other fps on console and PC there is. If you think the grenades are bad in this game i'd hate to see you play any build of Counter-Strike or even any fps that requires a bit more skill than this one, if ya did I'm sure you wouldn't be playing it for long.

I would go as far as to say that you have a valid point, and all the points imperfects members have brought up are valid if it weren't for the fact that just before reset you guys used every one of the things you now complain about to your advantage. I mean before reset you guys were known to rock militia gear every now and then and just own because ya spec'd your skills intelligently and ya were known to use team work of just one squad to take out just about any tank or vehicle with little more than militia gear. Also your top players were/are known for their grenade skills, heck I remember one time MR. Zitro describing his game-play style was one that utilized grenades. So now that people are learning from your corps example and doing many of the things you guys have done to you, you start complaining and saying things need to be nerfed. I don't see a problem with balance, and I don't see a problem with grenades. What I do see tho is you guys increasingly becoming victims of your own success as the community increasingly learns what it is you do and then does it themselves to you.

Lastly you Mr. Free Beers are the LLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASt person that should be complaining about the way grenades are now. That is because I remember a specific conversation between you and others in IRC while wolfman was present and talking about how he had just jerry-rigged grenades before he could go in and do a complete revamp later. That later revamp being mostly what we have now. In that conversation and later conversation it was YOUR and others present direct feedback that shaped the way grenades are now.

Maybe you should dicuss my OP based upon the merits instead of your inherent bias towards the Imperfects. I was very specific in what i was concerned about and am open to hearing all side. If you believe the is no issues with this, then state that and support your arguement. Sadly, I dont see any support for your assertion that either way. Instead there is simply a lecture about imperfects. its true we are abrasive trolls but that doesn't discount our opinions or points regardless how much hatred one has for us.

That truth of the matter if we test every weapon and every fit over and over. We even keep track of each builds statistical data to watch how ccp moves things. We are even test everything in practices to determine actual range of weapons, where fall off begings, and true radius damage of nades and MD. I am personally running 5 alts this build to test everything I can. if you didn't notice either I stated I die because of me and NOT gear this is the same mentality that Imperfects have. We believe you can't nerf skill regardless of how hard ccp is trying too.

I doubt any other corp has been as thurogh as we have in this matter. When changes were made to the nades last build we had 10 weeks of sp and it wasn't an issue and hardly noticed especially me since I didn't play much after new build. It's quite obvious with the skill point reset that nades have added value and that the nade spamming has become prolific because of effectiveness. If you can't discuss theat then plesae just troll and leave the lectures as no one gives a fk its the internet and we aren't going to change for it.

also I have no idea what you are talking about refering to grenade conversation in irc. I like everyone else stay logged in 24/7 but never remember a nade discussion. Sadly I have missed many important conversation simply because they occur at 2 am my time.

The truth is most imperfects enjoy trolling and giving other people a hard time on the forums because too many ppl take our posts (or the game in general) wayyyy to seriously.

One of these days people will realize that we imperfects troll ourselves too...both on the forums and in game. Infact I think the QQing would be much much worse if we trolled ppl here as much as we troll eachother.

Not being there at 2AM is not a valid excuse beers. You are supposed to stay up every night and participate in any and all meaningful conversations. We dont need your kind in our corp if your not going to take your responsibilities seriously.

I am curious Fiend. What do you think is wrong with the switch mechanic rather than a panic nade button?

No grenades for heavies, and severely limited fitting options for everyone else?

Drop the damage from 400hp to 200hp.
Five second timer or cook it.

A match I played on Ambush:
There were five.....yep five!! nanohives on the rail structure thats high up and there were seven! nanohives in the crowsnest!!

The game was full of no gungame grenade tossers.
And so it went for many hours match after match.

I noticed a lot of Dust veterans doing the same.....sigh.
I was Roflcopter about all the good players turned into no gungame grenade tossing bitches.

I was very surprised at the amount of players willing to debase themselves if they can get a kill thats cheap and easy...LOL!!

Now I am torn by the moral dilemma of either not using any grenades as a form of protest against this broken game or saying theres that grenade tossing *****!! and then killing them with grenades.

I got mail from a few users that killed me with grenades telling me to get gud but hey!!! then when I in turn KILL THEM WITH GRENADES??

I get hate mail!!

Every individual needs revolution, inner division, overthrow of the existing order, and renewal, but not by forcing them upon his neighbors under the hypocritical cloak of saying that grenade kills take skill.

Am I wrong to derive great pleasure from gunning down grenade tossing bitches like dogs in a street??

That was not my intention. My thought is that it would just be like R2 quick swap for weapons.....only make it cycle from nades to equipment....if you have no equipment on or no slots for one then it would just bring up a nade if you have any left and then allow you to throw it by pressing R1. This would also cause there to be a delay between pulling up nades....using them....and then pulling back up your weapon. Thus making it not very practical for panic nading.

I think that may be extreme just knock it down to 300/400/500 for militia/std - Proto

200 militia 300 standard 400 advanced and 500 proto?

The damage is fine as is. It's never been a problem. The only problem is that you can hit the button, and it pretty much instantly explodes. That's literally the only problem >_<

Grenade damage??
Hmmm my heavy is 140 shields and 850 armor and yet a single militia grenade does a OHK??

Maybe you should dicuss my OP based upon the merits instead of your inherent bias towards the Imperfects. I was very specific in what i was concerned about and am open to hearing all side. If you believe the is no issues with this, then state that and support your arguement. Sadly, I dont see any support for your assertion that either way. Instead there is simply a lecture about imperfects. its true we are abrasive trolls but that doesn't discount our opinions or points regardless how much hatred one has for us.

That truth of the matter if we test every weapon and every fit over and over. We even keep track of each builds statistical data to watch how ccp moves things. We are even test everything in practices to determine actual range of weapons, where fall off begings, and true radius damage of nades and MD. I am personally running 5 alts this build to test everything I can. if you didn't notice either I stated I die because of me and NOT gear this is the same mentality that Imperfects have. We believe you can't nerf skill regardless of how hard ccp is trying too.

I doubt any other corp has been as thurogh as we have in this matter. When changes were made to the nades last build we had 10 weeks of sp and it wasn't an issue and hardly noticed especially me since I didn't play much after new build. It's quite obvious with the skill point reset that nades have added value and that the nade spamming has become prolific because of effectiveness. If you can't discuss theat then plesae just troll and leave the lectures as no one gives a fk its the internet and we aren't going to change for it.

also I have no idea what you are talking about refering to grenade conversation in irc. I like everyone else stay logged in 24/7 but never remember a nade discussion. Sadly I have missed many important conversation simply because they occur at 2 am my time.

Drop the damage from 400hp to 200hp.
Five second timer or cook it.

A match I played on Ambush:
There were five.....yep five!! nanohives on the rail structure thats high up and there were seven! nanohives in the crowsnest!!

The game was full of no gungame grenade tossers.
And so it went for many hours match after match.

I noticed a lot of Dust veterans doing the same.....sigh.
I was Roflcopter about all the good players turned into no gungame grenade tossing bitches.

I was very surprised at the amount of players willing to debase themselves if they can get a kill thats cheap and easy...LOL!!

Now I am torn by the moral dilemma of either not using any grenades as a form of protest against this broken game or saying theres that grenade tossing *****!! and then killing them with grenades.

I got mail from a few users that killed me with grenades telling me to get gud but hey!!! then when I in turn KILL THEM WITH GRENADES??

I get hate mail!!

Every individual needs revolution, inner division, overthrow of the existing order, and renewal, but not by forcing them upon his neighbors under the hypocritical cloak of saying that grenade kills take skill.

Am I wrong to derive great pleasure from gunning down grenade tossing bitches like dogs in a street??

Yeah, I have unwittingly trained my mind now to throw nades as a first and last resort. I think I have thrown more nades recently than the entire lifetime I have been in the beta.

If they bring back the old mechanics (meaning there was a set-in-stone timer as soon as you pulled the pin) then that is probably all that is needed. Before the new nades, it was a skill to be able to cook a nade just right and get an awesome kill. Now all you have to do is land them near an enemy and they are toast.

The timer activating when it hits the ground is really the only issue with nades currently (well the throwing arc is kinda lame too). I love impact nades as much as the next guy, but I do agree these are pretty cheap. We should still have impact nades in the game, but they should be special (and be true impact nades).

Yeah, I have unwittingly trained my mind now to throw nades as a first and last resort. I think I have thrown more nades recently than the entire lifetime I have been in the beta.

If they bring back the old mechanics (meaning there was a set-in-stone timer as soon as you pulled the pin) then that is probably all that is needed. Before the new nades, it was a skill to be able to cook a nade just right and get an awesome kill. Now all you have to do is land them near an enemy and they are toast.

The timer activating when it hits the ground is really the only issue with nades currently (well the throwing arc is kinda lame too). I love impact nades as much as the next guy, but I do agree these are pretty cheap. We should still have impact nades in the game, but they should be special (and be true impact nades).

Where is the justification for a 2 second timer? It was unwarranted and takes away from gameplay.

Justification stims from all of the defense toward the 'Cavity' Thukker Grenade way back in the day when we were all crying out nerf - which they nerfed the **** out of (and rightfully so). However, now that there is a two second 'bounce' timer, a lot of the people who were defending the 'Cavity' are suddenly turning the tides on this new grenade system.

I honestly do not care either way. A grenade is a grenade. Should the damage be nerfed? No. Should the timer be nerfed? Maybe. I'm just irked because no-one can seem to make up their minds on anything and the first thing they do whenever something seems amiss (aka, it killed them more than once in a game) they automatically cry foul.

Cohesion and consistency is all this game is lacking.

Edit: That and the only reason anyone says -anything- about the game mechanics in Dust 514 is that the developers listen to the most vocal majority. Grenade spam in Battlefield 2 was insane (see Strike at Karkand) but no-one said anything because that's just the way things had always been.

Justification stims from all of the defense toward the 'Cavity' Thukker Grenade way back in the day when we were all crying out nerf - which they nerfed the **** out of (and rightfully so). However, now that there is a two second 'bounce' timer, a lot of the people who were defending the 'Cavity' are suddenly turning the tides on this new grenade system.

I honestly do not care either way. A grenade is a grenade. Should the damage be nerfed? No. Should the timer be nerfed? Maybe. I'm just irked because no-one can seem to make up their minds on anything and the first thing they do whenever something seems amiss (aka, it killed them more than once in a game) they automatically cry foul.

Cohesion and consistency is all this game is lacking.

Edit: That and the only reason anyone says -anything- about the game mechanics in Dust 514 is that the developers listen to the most vocal majority. Grenade spam in Battlefield 2 was insane (see Strike at Karkand) but no-one said anything because that's just the way things had always been.

Justification stims from all of the defense toward the 'Cavity' Thukker Grenade way back in the day when we were all crying out nerf - which they nerfed the **** out of (and rightfully so). However, now that there is a two second 'bounce' timer, a lot of the people who were defending the 'Cavity' are suddenly turning the tides on this new grenade system.

I honestly do not care either way. A grenade is a grenade. Should the damage be nerfed? No. Should the timer be nerfed? Maybe. I'm just irked because no-one can seem to make up their minds on anything and the first thing they do whenever something seems amiss (aka, it killed them more than once in a game) they automatically cry foul.

Cohesion and consistency is all this game is lacking.

Edit: That and the only reason anyone says -anything- about the game mechanics in Dust 514 is that the developers listen to the most vocal majority. Grenade spam in Battlefield 2 was insane (see Strike at Karkand) but no-one said anything because that's just the way things had always been.

I spoke out against thukkers spefically because they were just like REs as nades are now. the fact that they were aurum only masked the true issue which we face now. Some people asked for thukkers for isk I remember no thread that said there should be 2 second timers on milita grenades.

nades have not be nerfed in proportion to what ehp of suits have so in essense nades even milita have had damage boosts over last 6 months.

Ths biggest issue is as a community we say this is broke or nerf this but we dont say how. Sadly, ccp never discusses it with us and we hardly ever been told they are making changes to stuff. When did we find out about the 2 second timer change? patch notes like a few days before.

its why when I bring up concerns I offer solutions and ask for solutions. Sadly, even if we offer solid solution ccp will never tell us or discuss with us changes before we get patch notes.

grenades should be good, if you have prototype and such. the issue is why would anyone use anything other than the free gernades when they allready kill everything in one hit? Why use flux grenades?

I also think there should be mods that reduce explosive damage.

But yes, the free grenades shouldn't one shot everything. Look at halo, you can throw grenades all the time, but they aren't a super weapon that is unstoppable. Unless you equip the right gear to boost their effect. I don't think they should become duds when you die, that's half of the fun of them.

but like today in a match I blindly threw a grenade and got 4 kills. Maybe the AOE damage should fall off quicker? So they do full damage if your standing on it, but if your 2 feet away it doesn't kill you?

Here's a possible solution or at least a means to find an adequate solution. Make DMG 350 and change timer to 3.5 seconds then keep it that way for a week or so if. If people still perceive a problem then decrees DMG another 50 and increase timer another .5 seconds. That way an output DMG and time will eventually be found. Or CCP can just listen to all the crying and make grenades completely useless like they did with missiles. Do you people want that to happen? Because it will if this continues, grenades will be completely ineffective and be nothing more than smoke bombs with no smoke. It happened to missiles and I can see it happening to grenades next.

I pray they do nothing but change the timer. I can throw a nade in the air it won't blow for 5-6 seconds - I throw it on the ground it blows in 2. I just want it to make sense - don't touch the damage yet

As with everything I think the BEST solution can be achieved with the help of the skill system. Instead of messing with timer and damage, why not just introduce skill variables that affect the speed at which a grenade is drawn/thrown and the accuracy of the throw? That way people can still use the same militia grenades they use now but without the skills it takes them longer to get the grenade ready to throw and when they do throw it it looks like one of those limp armed pitches that don't make it to the plate. That could possibly solve some of the problems were seeing now.

Solutions like these are not solutions. All this would do is delay the time before the problem with grenades becomes very obvious. Something has to actually be done to change the way grenades work. Screwing with skills to make people need to spend a few SP to get bullshit grenades doesn't fix anything.

For the most part I agree, however if done right the same can be said about any skill. The whole incentive behind putting points into any skill is to eventually get them to a BS level. If there was no BS level then there would be no incentive to skill up, and instead everyone would simply keep militia gear and not bother specing their points.

No, the same can't be said about any skill and the point of skills is not to attain a "BS level". Getting a +10% to damage for assault rifles doesn't magically turn assault rifles into a BS weapon. Your theory that without everything turning into **** gameplay nobody would spend SP and would only use militia gear is entirely divorced from the reality of Dust over the past year, and I seriously have no idea if you've even played the game at this point.

The issue here is that you're calling for a nerf to begin with. It doesn't matter how or why, the fact that you're saying "nerf this" or "this is OP" is what causes CCP to take knee-jerk drastic measures.


FEEDBACK.

You need to post up in the FEEDBACK forums and simply say that you dislike it, not say "This has to be changed because of this this this and that". It doesn't -have- to be changed and being so vocal about it (as your entire corporation seems to have been doing on the General Discussion ffs) is what causes ALL of the Grenades to suddenly become useless.

Then it's the endless threads about how and why Grenades are terrible and only do 50 damage with a 30 second timer.

Eventually, three months down the line they become at least partially useful again (as is the case with the Heavy Machine Gun) when things have finally calmed down.

You're not stating opinions, your demanding changes and then ask for justification when someone disagrees with you.

This is terrible and you should feel terrible.

Did you even read the OP? None of what you just posted applies.

The issue here is that you're calling for a nerf to begin with. It doesn't matter how or why, the fact that you're saying "nerf this" or "this is OP" is what causes CCP to take knee-jerk drastic measures.


FEEDBACK.

You need to post up in the FEEDBACK forums and simply say that you dislike it, not say "This has to be changed because of this this this and that". It doesn't -have- to be changed and being so vocal about it (as your entire corporation seems to have been doing on the General Discussion ffs) is what causes ALL of the Grenades to suddenly become useless.

Then it's the endless threads about how and why Grenades are terrible and only do 50 damage with a 30 second timer.

Eventually, three months down the line they become at least partially useful again (as is the case with the Heavy Machine Gun) when things have finally calmed down.

You're not stating opinions, your demanding changes and then ask for justification when someone disagrees with you.

This is terrible and you should feel terrible.

It's "death from the grave"! That's a legit way to pick up a few extra kills. It's the same in any FPS I've played... if you are about to go down you might as well blow yourself up and take as many of them with you as you can!

weapon triangle nuff said everyone has a weakness and MUST HAVE ONE just making it clear

weapon triangle nuff said everyone has a weakness and MUST HAVE ONE just making it clear

Grenades? Powerful weapons that KILL?

Man, I'd imagine every US Marine must be shaking their head at how unrealistic that is.

Seriously though, they're grenades and they're supposed to kill. Don't nerf them, they're useful for a reason - this is war after all.

Also, save your complaining for when they implement Smart Bombs, which description says that it goes off whenever the user dies.

This is game play and game play trumps any and all real world bull**** so please take that sorry ass **** reasoning somewhere else.

This game has to support the GUN FIGHTS = GOOD FIGHTS idea. If not there will be no aurum items being used when everything 1 shots people. Players will always gravitate towards weapons/vehicles that give them the best opportunity to succeed for their individual skill level. Hence why spamming nades is the cool kid in school now.

Also you want nade tatics ill give you nade tatics.

step 1 hide in area of elevation or with cover from direct gun fire
step 2 drop nano hive
step 3 throw nades randomly
step 4 gtfo out if here with your real world military **** no one cares

Sorry but go tell your US marines grenades have a 2 seconds fuse..... let's see how they feel about that... I've search and didnt find any Nade with less than a 4 second fuse. The BIG BIG issue with nades at the moment it that specific change.... Nades blow up almost instantly.


And tbqh, militia and standard locus nades are way too powerfull in base HP damage.

CCP, seriously, turn back grenade fuse time to 5 seconds. This is silly as can be and not good for the game