Real Mercs use Flux grenades not focus grenades..

I will leave this here.

Grenades? Powerful weapons that KILL?

Man, I'd imagine every US Marine must be shaking their head at how unrealistic that is.

Seriously though, they're grenades and they're supposed to kill. Don't nerf them, they're useful for a reason - this is war after all.

Also, save your complaining for when they implement Smart Bombs, which description says that it goes off whenever the user dies.

Its not CCPs fault players abuse a feature in a game. It is merely a players cowardice that forces them to do this. As opposed to using a grenade hat it is meant for players use chicken **** tactics to compensate for their inability to match up symbols on two joysticks.

TL;DR : if you find yourself throwing alot of grenades youre a ******. Go play CoD.

Boo hoo someone found a way to punch through your Heavy's armor. Cry some more, I say. Grenades are not nearly as prevalent of an issue as you make them out to be - hell I'll take my chances with the grenades over the snipers and their "snap back" reticles that return to the position they were in when they were fired.

You're seriously bitching about people using something that works - and what's even more silly is that because it works you want them to be nerfed. This is an endless cycle that is going to persist for a ******* eternity because GOD FOR ******* BID YOU EVER DIED AMIRIGHT?

Quit your bitching and grow a pair.

Edit: Wait a second - aren't you one of the guys that uses his Militia Heavy and an LAV as a fast transport device to negate the heavy's speed in the first place? Why are you even bitching about grenades then with that cheap ass tactic?

Grenades don't need a nerf. Just needs to go back to the 5 sec timer instead of the 2 sec timer after contact.

When COD grenades take more skill to kill... Something's wrong

Stop your trolling.

Wrong Aeon dude. Never was banned from the IRC and the last time I got on the IRC was, pssh, August/September.

But nah, pretty sure that was you last build - the name looks dreadfully familiar. I had a real argument, you're just too carebear to recognize what it was. I'll spell it out for you.

You're terrible at combat and it can't possibly be you so it must be (by your logic) the game-play itself.

Same ****, different person, different day.

Edit: Also, I thought about joining Imperfects - but the sheer amount of that corporation's members bitching about -something- on the forums has detracted that completely. Seriously, any thread that's currently going on usually has someone from Imperfects in there whining about it. Starting to think it must be the inbred genetics.

FURTHER EDIT: Sleepy Zan (rest his soul for me pointing it out) actually raises a good point, this wasn't an issue when Chromosome first came out - only when the reset occurred. Thereby, you're just complaining because you're now on par with everyone else and, well, grenades are effective.

Cheers.

Interesting, you don't remember my name but you can recall me getting banned from the IRC...

Tell you what, hit up Nova Knife and ask him if I got banned. He'll tell you otherwise because -it wasn't Aeon Amadi-.

Argument isn't even over the grenades anymore, yet somehow I'm the troll, lol. Gorgeous. Peace out.

I use nade, alot. Logibro Need a way to put the PH33R in your pants :p And it is my way to win when I have my hand full of nanite injector, repair tool, nano hive etc.

I know that you don't like to be kill by Nadepooper. But nade them first and you will win without shooting a bullet.

If one would look at reall life. (allthough i'm not a soldier.) if i knew i was about to die and i wanted to make sure my enemy died with me, i would toss a grenade. And no offence but grenades kill. you can't expect a game, that is trying to copy possible life(future life) examples and say well sorry, but if someone tossed a grenade at me, i would walk away from it as if i was hit by a baseball. yes we have armor and shields in the game. So all it means is you have a chance of surviving, the bullet or explosive, just like a modern day explosives suit or kevlar. all it does is give you a chance, but it does not mean for surtain, cause you could still die, and these mechanics apply to the game aswell.

So saying nerf this or nerf that is just another way of saying, mister could you please nerf that nuke or m16 rifle its hurting me.

I have noticed allot more people using grenades. Frankly tho I don't have a problem with it. From the jist of this post and well frankly every post I've seen posted by an imperfects member this build has been "if it's capable of killing an imperfects member it's too effective and needs to be nerfed". I'm not talking **** here, this is just an observation. I might actually agree with you on this if it weren't for the fact that I played just about every other fps on console and PC there is. If you think the grenades are bad in this game i'd hate to see you play any build of Counter-Strike or even any fps that requires a bit more skill than this one, if ya did I'm sure you wouldn't be playing it for long.

I would go as far as to say that you have a valid point, and all the points imperfects members have brought up are valid if it weren't for the fact that just before reset you guys used every one of the things you now complain about to your advantage. I mean before reset you guys were known to rock militia gear every now and then and just own because ya spec'd your skills intelligently and ya were known to use team work of just one squad to take out just about any tank or vehicle with little more than militia gear. Also your top players were/are known for their grenade skills, heck I remember one time MR. Zitro describing his game-play style was one that utilized grenades. So now that people are learning from your corps example and doing many of the things you guys have done to you, you start complaining and saying things need to be nerfed. I don't see a problem with balance, and I don't see a problem with grenades. What I do see tho is you guys increasingly becoming victims of your own success as the community increasingly learns what it is you do and then does it themselves to you.

Lastly you Mr. Free Beers are the LLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASt person that should be complaining about the way grenades are now. That is because I remember a specific conversation between you and others in IRC while wolfman was present and talking about how he had just jerry-rigged grenades before he could go in and do a complete revamp later. That later revamp being mostly what we have now. In that conversation and later conversation it was YOUR and others present direct feedback that shaped the way grenades are now.

The truth is most imperfects enjoy trolling and giving other people a hard time on the forums because too many ppl take our posts (or the game in general) wayyyy to seriously.

One of these days people will realize that we imperfects troll ourselves too...both on the forums and in game. Infact I think the QQing would be much much worse if we trolled ppl here as much as we troll eachother.

Not being there at 2AM is not a valid excuse beers. You are supposed to stay up every night and participate in any and all meaningful conversations. We dont need your kind in our corp if your not going to take your responsibilities seriously.

Drop the damage from 400hp to 200hp.
Five second timer or cook it.

A match I played on Ambush:
There were five.....yep five!! nanohives on the rail structure thats high up and there were seven! nanohives in the crowsnest!!

The game was full of no gungame grenade tossers.
And so it went for many hours match after match.

I noticed a lot of Dust veterans doing the same.....sigh.
I was Roflcopter about all the good players turned into no gungame grenade tossing bitches.

I was very surprised at the amount of players willing to debase themselves if they can get a kill thats cheap and easy...LOL!!

Now I am torn by the moral dilemma of either not using any grenades as a form of protest against this broken game or saying theres that grenade tossing *****!! and then killing them with grenades.

I got mail from a few users that killed me with grenades telling me to get gud but hey!!! then when I in turn KILL THEM WITH GRENADES??

I get hate mail!!

Every individual needs revolution, inner division, overthrow of the existing order, and renewal, but not by forcing them upon his neighbors under the hypocritical cloak of saying that grenade kills take skill.

Am I wrong to derive great pleasure from gunning down grenade tossing bitches like dogs in a street??

Yeah, I have unwittingly trained my mind now to throw nades as a first and last resort. I think I have thrown more nades recently than the entire lifetime I have been in the beta.

If they bring back the old mechanics (meaning there was a set-in-stone timer as soon as you pulled the pin) then that is probably all that is needed. Before the new nades, it was a skill to be able to cook a nade just right and get an awesome kill. Now all you have to do is land them near an enemy and they are toast.

The timer activating when it hits the ground is really the only issue with nades currently (well the throwing arc is kinda lame too). I love impact nades as much as the next guy, but I do agree these are pretty cheap. We should still have impact nades in the game, but they should be special (and be true impact nades).

Justification stims from all of the defense toward the 'Cavity' Thukker Grenade way back in the day when we were all crying out nerf - which they nerfed the **** out of (and rightfully so). However, now that there is a two second 'bounce' timer, a lot of the people who were defending the 'Cavity' are suddenly turning the tides on this new grenade system.

I honestly do not care either way. A grenade is a grenade. Should the damage be nerfed? No. Should the timer be nerfed? Maybe. I'm just irked because no-one can seem to make up their minds on anything and the first thing they do whenever something seems amiss (aka, it killed them more than once in a game) they automatically cry foul.

Cohesion and consistency is all this game is lacking.

Edit: That and the only reason anyone says -anything- about the game mechanics in Dust 514 is that the developers listen to the most vocal majority. Grenade spam in Battlefield 2 was insane (see Strike at Karkand) but no-one said anything because that's just the way things had always been.

Here's a possible solution or at least a means to find an adequate solution. Make DMG 350 and change timer to 3.5 seconds then keep it that way for a week or so if. If people still perceive a problem then decrees DMG another 50 and increase timer another .5 seconds. That way an output DMG and time will eventually be found. Or CCP can just listen to all the crying and make grenades completely useless like they did with missiles. Do you people want that to happen? Because it will if this continues, grenades will be completely ineffective and be nothing more than smoke bombs with no smoke. It happened to missiles and I can see it happening to grenades next.

I pray they do nothing but change the timer. I can throw a nade in the air it won't blow for 5-6 seconds - I throw it on the ground it blows in 2. I just want it to make sense - don't touch the damage yet

Did you even read the OP? None of what you just posted applies.

The issue here is that you're calling for a nerf to begin with. It doesn't matter how or why, the fact that you're saying "nerf this" or "this is OP" is what causes CCP to take knee-jerk drastic measures.


FEEDBACK.

You need to post up in the FEEDBACK forums and simply say that you dislike it, not say "This has to be changed because of this this this and that". It doesn't -have- to be changed and being so vocal about it (as your entire corporation seems to have been doing on the General Discussion ffs) is what causes ALL of the Grenades to suddenly become useless.

Then it's the endless threads about how and why Grenades are terrible and only do 50 damage with a 30 second timer.

Eventually, three months down the line they become at least partially useful again (as is the case with the Heavy Machine Gun) when things have finally calmed down.

You're not stating opinions, your demanding changes and then ask for justification when someone disagrees with you.

This is terrible and you should feel terrible.